This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UAB.2ACE/150.1 Message Board Post: go to www.familysearch.org look up Thomas J Saffell. His father is William Saffell and mother Mary ann Shion and if you click on family and it keeps going until Samuel Saffell the first hope this helps.