Bethel, Look again at the opening page of search. It tells you about the status of the advanced search. It is a good start, as I have found a couple of deaths that I had been looking for. It proves out the theory that the names "Ain't" always correct in others records. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bethel Williams<mailto:qb-cat@cox.net> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] KY Vitals Project - breaking down a brick wall Is there something I missed about using the Advanced Search feature? Thanks all, I really think this is a great site. Bethel -----Original Message----- From: kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:44 AM To: kygen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kygen@rootsweb.com>; kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com>; HARGIS@rootsweb.com<mailto:HARGIS@rootsweb.com>; TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>; TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KYALLEN] KY Vitals Project - breaking down a brick wall There is a viable project in the works which enables long distance, and local, researchers to overcome brick walls and provided added documentation to confirm lineage. This is the KY Vitals Project, and anyone who is not involved should consider devoting a few minutes per week to assisting in imaging, transcribing, or proofing the information. Until recently I had no access physically to early Death Certificates in KY - other than the KY Vitals Project, or a request to the KY Library. After moving back to KY, I thought I would be hibernating in front of the microfilm machines at the KY Library and engulfing myself into Allen Co documents, and burning up the roads to Nashville, Carthage TN and Lafayette TN. That hasn't happened. New Years Eve and Day, when everything was closed, I was able to do follow up on a nephew's inquiry about his father's lineage via the KY Vitals Project. When possible, I try to research any collateral lines of the person I am searching - brother's, sisters, inlaws, etc. So I jumped on WorldConnect.com to see if there was a posting that would give me an indication I may have had 2 men with the same name and age (William RENFRO) mixed up. I was startled to see one posting for William Renfro, wife JUDITH (no surname), daughter the same as I was searching, where the oldest daughter was given the middle name of KIRBY -an unusual middle name and a non-existent surname for Hart Co KY. I promptly sent an email to the poster requesting information on the origination of Sarah Kirby Renfro Cook's middle name. This was odd because in my mother's ancestry, Henry KIRBY died abt 1833 Smith Co TN, and in his will left JUDITH KIRBY RENFRO's share to her children. I, and other's, have always read this document as meaning she was deceased - but the will does not specifically use the word Deceased - as occurs in most other wills when a generation is skipped in the division of estate. While waiting for a reply from the WorldConnect user, I delved into a more detailed study of the census records, information posted on the Hart Co KY website, Barren Co KY website, Ancestry.com, etc. 1. W.H.L. Renfro was b. in TN - Henry Kirby had Renfro neighbors in Pittsylvania Co VA and both family's migrated to Union Co SC before moving into TN & KY. 2. Judith Renfro was b.abt 1793 VA - as was Henry Kirby's Judith. 3. W.H.L & Judith Renfro's oldest 3 children were born in AL - where at least one of Henry's Kirby's had migrated. 4. Henry Kirby's daughter-in-law was Nancy 'Ann' Brown Kirby, who's father and siblings settled in Hardin, Hart & Larue Co KY. Frederick Brown named daughter Ann KIRBY in his 1812 Hardin Co KY will - again an unusual name for that county. It would not be too much of a stretch to conclude that the Renfro's followed their "connected by marriage" relatives from VA to SC to TN, and then into KY. There were just too many coincidence's adding up. After finally determining the married names of Sarah Kirby Renfro Cook's (her family migrated to MO) sister's, I navigated the KY Vitals Project. All the Renfro brother's were deceased before 1911, the year KY began keeping Death Certificates. But all 3 of Sarah's sister's died in Hart Co KY between 1913-1916 - and the combination of the 3 verified the name of the mother as JUDITH KIRBY. I am still waiting for information from Sarah Kirby Renfro's Cook's descendant for additional verification, and need to look for more records, but all indications are this is the correct person But without the KY Vitals Project we would probably still be looking for, or ignoring, Henry Kirby's daughter Judith Renfro. Moral to the story: It pays to research your ancestral collateral lines - in this case my brother-in-law is most likely a 6th cousin to my mother. Many thanks to Shari and Sherry and all the volunteers to support the KY Vitals Project. For those researching connections in KY check out 'http://kyvitals.com/index.php. Sharon Tabor **************Start the year off right. 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Don, I just had a 'duh' moment. The opening page had red lettering that states the Advanced search is unavailable while it is being validated. Of course I didn't see the red lettering when I first searched. Put one down to I'm in a hurry to check this out! :) Thanks for your help, Bethel -----Original Message----- From: kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Burris Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:21 PM To: kyallen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] KY Vitals Project - breaking down a brick wall Bethel, Look again at the opening page of search. It tells you about the status of the advanced search. It is a good start, as I have found a couple of deaths that I had been looking for. It proves out the theory that the names "Ain't" always correct in others records. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bethel Williams<mailto:qb-cat@cox.net> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] KY Vitals Project - breaking down a brick wall Is there something I missed about using the Advanced Search feature? Thanks all, I really think this is a great site. Bethel -----Original Message----- From: kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:kyallen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FmlyTracer@aol.com<mailto:FmlyTracer@aol.com> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:44 AM To: kygen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kygen@rootsweb.com>; kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com>; HARGIS@rootsweb.com<mailto:HARGIS@rootsweb.com>; TNMACON@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNMACON@rootsweb.com>; TNSMITH@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNSMITH@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KYALLEN] KY Vitals Project - breaking down a brick wall There is a viable project in the works which enables long distance, and local, researchers to overcome brick walls and provided added documentation to confirm lineage. This is the KY Vitals Project, and anyone who is not involved should consider devoting a few minutes per week to assisting in imaging, transcribing, or proofing the information. Until recently I had no access physically to early Death Certificates in KY - other than the KY Vitals Project, or a request to the KY Library. After moving back to KY, I thought I would be hibernating in front of the microfilm machines at the KY Library and engulfing myself into Allen Co documents, and burning up the roads to Nashville, Carthage TN and Lafayette TN. That hasn't happened. New Years Eve and Day, when everything was closed, I was able to do follow up on a nephew's inquiry about his father's lineage via the KY Vitals Project. When possible, I try to research any collateral lines of the person I am searching - brother's, sisters, inlaws, etc. So I jumped on WorldConnect.com to see if there was a posting that would give me an indication I may have had 2 men with the same name and age (William RENFRO) mixed up. I was startled to see one posting for William Renfro, wife JUDITH (no surname), daughter the same as I was searching, where the oldest daughter was given the middle name of KIRBY -an unusual middle name and a non-existent surname for Hart Co KY. I promptly sent an email to the poster requesting information on the origination of Sarah Kirby Renfro Cook's middle name. This was odd because in my mother's ancestry, Henry KIRBY died abt 1833 Smith Co TN, and in his will left JUDITH KIRBY RENFRO's share to her children. I, and other's, have always read this document as meaning she was deceased - but the will does not specifically use the word Deceased - as occurs in most other wills when a generation is skipped in the division of estate. While waiting for a reply from the WorldConnect user, I delved into a more detailed study of the census records, information posted on the Hart Co KY website, Barren Co KY website, Ancestry.com, etc. 1. W.H.L. Renfro was b. in TN - Henry Kirby had Renfro neighbors in Pittsylvania Co VA and both family's migrated to Union Co SC before moving into TN & KY. 2. Judith Renfro was b.abt 1793 VA - as was Henry Kirby's Judith. 3. W.H.L & Judith Renfro's oldest 3 children were born in AL - where at least one of Henry's Kirby's had migrated. 4. Henry Kirby's daughter-in-law was Nancy 'Ann' Brown Kirby, who's father and siblings settled in Hardin, Hart & Larue Co KY. Frederick Brown named daughter Ann KIRBY in his 1812 Hardin Co KY will - again an unusual name for that county. It would not be too much of a stretch to conclude that the Renfro's followed their "connected by marriage" relatives from VA to SC to TN, and then into KY. There were just too many coincidence's adding up. After finally determining the married names of Sarah Kirby Renfro Cook's (her family migrated to MO) sister's, I navigated the KY Vitals Project. All the Renfro brother's were deceased before 1911, the year KY began keeping Death Certificates. But all 3 of Sarah's sister's died in Hart Co KY between 1913-1916 - and the combination of the 3 verified the name of the mother as JUDITH KIRBY. I am still waiting for information from Sarah Kirby Renfro's Cook's descendant for additional verification, and need to look for more records, but all indications are this is the correct person But without the KY Vitals Project we would probably still be looking for, or ignoring, Henry Kirby's daughter Judith Renfro. Moral to the story: It pays to research your ancestral collateral lines - in this case my brother-in-law is most likely a 6th cousin to my mother. Many thanks to Shari and Sherry and all the volunteers to support the KY Vitals Project. For those researching connections in KY check out 'http://kyvitals.com/index.php. Sharon Tabor **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489<http:/ /body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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