Lance, That's a fabulous story about your ancestral line...Thanks for sharing it with everyone! I don't have anything that interesting to share but certainly hope others out there, other subscribers to the, KYALLEN-List, will post their stories too. We're in the process of moving so I haven't been online much lately but still read everyone's posts I enjoyed reading what you shared. Great Job, Lance!!!!! Mimi Alexander ~Pepper Ridge Pond~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Fallin, Lance<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Brick Wall Stories That brick wall story about Seagraves/Segraves/ C. Graves reminded me of my family line .. but instead of Kentucky, this was on the Arkansas side of the family (anyway, both my Kentuckians and Arkansawyers all trace back to colonial Virginia anyhow). I was looking up my great great Grandpa Ed T Fallin, I knew that after 1900 they were in Clay County Arkansas. One of the interviews I had with my great Aunt (the oldest living person in the family) one day told me Ed Fallin was in the Civil War and was a Confederate Soldier. but she didn't know which unit/company and whatnot. So, I wrote to the Arkansas History Commission, and they said there were 2 Ed Fallins: Ed T. Fallen and E.T. Fallin in two different units or companies but one was a year after the other one (What had happened is that he went from infantry to cavalry a year later during the war) (his Confederate Service record shows birthplace was Tennessee) Also, in one of the census's (I think 1880 or 1870) in the soundex he was listed as Edwin T. Falden, and when I looked at the original record it was actually Edwin T. Fallen but the two L's were seperated wider than the other letters and one L almost looked like a d, but I could tell by the people in the household that it was Edward T. Fallin and not Falden. I had a great deal of trouble finding this family in Tennessee, untill one day my great Aunt told me (in a rare moment of clarity) that the T meant Townes and that his mom was a Townes and his middle name was Townes, so I finally found the family in Virginia ... er actually as newlyweds, and soon after they went to Tennessee, and they are on the census in 1830 and 1840 but I can't find them in 1850 and by 1860 my ancestor is in Arkansas and just about ready to be in the war. They were married in 1829 in Danville, Pittsylvania County, Virginia .. which leads me to the most major brick wall part of this story that I had ever encountered ... Going back to my research in Arkansas, before I knew that Ed Fallin was a Confederate Veteran, and before I knew they had lived in Tennessee, the census in Arkansas (either Woodruff or Jackson county, can't remember which, but they lived in both counties) ... the Census taker wrote PA. for state of birth for Ed T. Fallin in 1870... by 1880 it says VA ... so I thought, what in the heck? was he born in Pennsylvania and then moved to Virginia or what? ... well ... the Townes surname married to a Fallin brought up Pittsylvania County in Virginia! bingo! once I got back to Danville, Virginia, I could trace this line all the way back to about 1743, with a possibility of linking up to coastal Virginia and Maryland all the way back to the late 1600's!!! (research still pending on the pre-1743 part though. I am still having a bit of a brick wall on verifying a Brown and LaFayette marriage in the 1890's or 1900 in Allen County Kentucky. Brown is just too common of a name to be guessing with, but I can't find anything at all about the LaFayette (or Lafette ... in Kentucky they seem to say it like "Laff ett" instead of "Lah fee ett" My Great Grandpa George Brown was born in 1885 ... worked for the L and N line for years before moving to St Louis Missouri, he was buried in Hickory Hills Cemetary in the 1970's in Allen County, Kentucky apparently he had 2 wives in his lifetime (not all at the same time though!!!) Pearl Anderson A.K.A. Fannie Pearl Anderson, and wayyy later on Dollie Gaines. George Brown's dad was Dan Brown and was supposedly married to a Ginny LaFayette ... have been unsuccesful so far as to really nailing this down, and this family skipped across the Kentucky Tennessee border a lot. Elsie Maud Brown (the daughter of George Brown) was born in 1905 in Gallatin, TN. but was apparently raised in Scotsville, and married Henry E. Gaines there in Scotsville, and by the 1920's or 30's they are living in St Louis, they had at least 6 kids, some were born in Scotsville, and the younger ones (like my mom) was born in St Louis. The Gaines side I have traced way back to Colonial Virginia with possibilities of tying into an Ancient Welsh Family near the Brecon Beacons in Wales (Breconshire Wales) ... very probably related to Sir David Gam who saved King Henry the 5th's life at Agincourt ... Gam morphed to Games, and Games morphed to Gaines, but ... research to solidly link us to this family is still pending. Names are definitely often-times mis-spelled in these old records, I have seen my family's name spelled as "Faullin, Follin, Fawlin, Falling, Fallen, Fallon, and Fallin" in the same town and state and in the same generation, and one sibling spells it one way, and another sibling spells it another way etc etc. I'm thinking our family was mainly Scots-Irish (or from Protestant Northern Ireland, and were possibly originally from the Scottish Midlands and Lowlands and then went to Ulster and then possibly married local Irish and then went to "British North America" and married other compatible people of a mainly Celtic background ... for awhile ... until they finally married Germans and French and eveyrthing else later on). Sorry for the long windedness, but I just loved the topic, and well, I was bored! haha! Happy Hunting everybody! Lance T. Fallin of the Scotsville, Allen County, Gaines and Brown and allied families ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message