Hi Marianne and Pam, Regarding your Waggoner / Roberts line..... Do they connect to: GEORGE WAGGONER, (d. 1854), born in Berlin, Germany, married SARAH ROBERTS, the parents of: FANNIE FRANCES WAGGONER, (d. 1837), who married LARKIN GUY, (1815 -1871), Three of their children were: NANCY E. GUY, LOUISE AGNES GUY, and WILLIAM DEMPSEY GUY. Does SARAH ROBERTS line connect to a, HOBART McKINLEY ROBERTS, by any chance? Thanks, Mimi ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow<mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county Hi Pam, I haven't heard from you for awhile. I am guessing you know that those from Allen County went over the disputed state line that lasted a few years to Sumner Co., Tn. ... going back and forth. I also have others in my family lines that did this too. :) I have George Waggoner who married Sarah Roberts and he died 1854 in Allen County where he left his will. He came from Orange County, NC. Marianne Dillow --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu<mailto:wagonerp@ohsu.edu>> wrote: From: Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu<mailto:wagonerp@ohsu.edu>> Subject: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:19 PM After all these years, I got the idea to put one of my Allen county surnames into the USGS website and ask for a search in Kentucky. Bingo, there is a Wagoner Hollow in Allen county. If this is indeed the land that my Peter Waggoner owned, then it really makes sense why some of his children married in Sumner county, Tennessee. One of the maps linked to USGS showed that the Hallow was 493 feet from 8275 Gallatin Road; 1527 feet south from 432 Carter Church Road, and 1593 feet north from O'Neal Road. Some O'Neals married into my Wagoner line. >From the satellite map I didn't see any buildings, but is anybody familiar with the area? I also didn't realize how close Macon county was until I printed off some of the maps. One of the maps also listed cemeteries; wouldn't it be exciting to find where Peter is buried? If you haven't done this before, I would definitely recommend doing so. I'm really excited about this information because it gives me leads to questions that I've just accepted they'll never be resolved. Pam Wagoner Oregon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Mimi, Pam and I are kin through a Hardy line. Peter Waggoner married a sister of my following grandmother : I descend from David Harris that married Elizabeth "Martha" Hardy. The Hardy family originates in Charles and Prince George's County, Md before removing to Loudoun and then Bedford counties in Va. before removing to Allen County. My descent from Elizabeth " Martha" Hardy that marriied David Harris, who was a early Allen county official, is as follows: i. Joel Hardy Harris that married Sarah Ogles dau of William Ogles and Margaret "Peggy" Orr ii. James W. Harris married Louisa Agnes Guy dau of Larkin Guy and Frances "Fannie" Waggoner ii. Fannie dau of George Waggoner and Sarah Roberts iii. Sarah. dau of Charles Roberts, Jr. and Frances Langston iv. Frances dau of Joseph Langston and Agnes Ragland from Va and Nc to Ky. Charles and Sarah Roberts went to Logan County, Ky where they died. Pam's Peter Waggoner and my George Waggoner are not kin only the descent from the Hardy line. My George Waggoner's father was Leonard and that part of the lineage is unclear. But George wasn't born in Germany. He was in NC before coming to Allen County. I don't know if Sarah Roberts is kin to Robert McKinley Roberts or not. I have never heard of him but that really doesn't mean anything. LOL ! Hope this helps, Marianne Dillow --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Mimi Alexander <wallyjakeandme@msn.com> wrote: From: Mimi Alexander <wallyjakeandme@msn.com> Subject: [KYALLEN] Waggoner ? Roberts ? Guy ? To: kyallen@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:32 AM Hi Marianne and Pam, Regarding your Waggoner / Roberts line..... Do they connect to: GEORGE WAGGONER, (d. 1854), born in Berlin, Germany, married SARAH ROBERTS, the parents of: FANNIE FRANCES WAGGONER, (d. 1837), who married LARKIN GUY, (1815 -1871), Three of their children were: NANCY E. GUY, LOUISE AGNES GUY, and WILLIAM DEMPSEY GUY. Does SARAH ROBERTS line connect to a, HOBART McKINLEY ROBERTS, by any chance? Thanks, Mimi ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow<mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:39 pm Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county Hi Pam, I haven't heard from you for awhile. I am guessing you know that those from Allen County went over the disputed state line that lasted a few years to Sumner Co., Tn. ... going back and forth. I also have others in my family lines that did this too. :) I have George Waggoner who married Sarah Roberts and he died 1854 in Allen County where he left his will. He came from Orange County, NC. Marianne Dillow --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu<mailto:wagonerp@ohsu.edu>> wrote: From: Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu<mailto:wagonerp@ohsu.edu>> Subject: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county To: kyallen@rootsweb.commailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:19 PM After all these years, I got the idea to put one of my Allen county surnames into the USGS website and ask for a search in Kentucky. Bingo, there is a Wagoner Hollow in Allen county. If this is indeed the land that my Peter Waggoner owned, then it really makes sense why some of his children married in Sumner county, Tennessee. One of the maps linked to USGS showed that the Hallow was 493 feet from 8275 Gallatin Road; 1527 feet south from 432 Carter Church Road, and 1593 feet north from O'Neal Road. Some O'Neals married into my Wagoner line. >From the satellite map I didn't see any buildings, but is anybody familiar with the area? I also didn't realize how close Macon county was until I printed off some of the maps. One of the maps also listed cemeteries; wouldn't it be exciting to find where Peter is buried? If you haven't done this before, I would definitely recommend doing so. I'm really excited about this information because it gives me leads to questions that I've just accepted they'll never be resolved. Pam Wagoner Oregon
Thanks Sharon, I knew part but not all. I didn't know the line was still in dispute. I have been to Allen, Warren, Logan several times and once to Simpson and also to Sumner county, Tn. to the courthouses, etc. Best Wishes, Marianne Dillow --- On Fri, 11/14/08, FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> wrote: From: FmlyTracer@aol.com <FmlyTracer@aol.com> Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county To: mdillow31@verizon.net, kyallen@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:12 AM The land known as "Walker's Line" is still disputed. There is a 15 mile "no man's land" that runs from the jag at the Jackson Purchase east to the VA line. Between 1796 when TN became a state until 1820 the KY/TN boundary moved between the current and original surveyed lines several times. If you look at early KY maps, the KY border is a straight line that connects to the southern border of the Jackson Purchase section. The current boundary was a compromise between KY and TN in 1820 but the actual line is still uncertain. This became an issue again when Ft. Campbell was located to Clarksville TN. Everyone on the Ft Campbell base has a KY address even though they are actually in TN. This can cause a tremendous amount of confusion because the courthouse where legal documents were recorded depended on the state line (did they live in KY or TN at which time - without actually moving) and the county line. Allen was carved from Warren and Barren in 1815, Barren from Warren and Green Co KY 1798, Warren was carved from Logan in 1797, Logan was carved from Lincoln. At the time KY became a state in 1792, an ancestor living in the county now known as Allen would have been in Lincoln Co KY which covered nearly 1/2 of the state, and before that in VA. An Allen Co ancestor who settled in early KY between 1790-1820 could have lived in VA, then KY, then TN (a state in 1796), then KY, then TN if they lived inside "Walkers Line", and also in Lincoln Co, Logan Co, Warren Co, Sumner Co TN, then Warren Co KY, then Allen, and maybe in Simpson (formed from Allen in 1819) - and never have moved within the 30 year period. It makes research very challenging because you have to look for records in all counties. And helps explain relatives that ended up in different counties or states. Many people crossed county lines to marry. If you found your ancestors or family married in Barren, then they most likely lived in the northern section of Allen: those who lived in the the western portion might have married in Warren; the eastern section may have married in Monroe Co KY or Macon Co TN, and those who lived in the southern section may have married in Sumner Co TN or Simpson Co KY. Hope this helps, but most probably causes more confusion. :) Sharon Tabor In a message dated 11/13/2008 3:40:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdillow31@verizon.net writes: I haven't heard from you for awhile. I am guessing you know that those from Allen County went over the disputed state line that lasted a few years to Sumner Co., TN. . Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!
Is anyone searching the descendants of Luther Porter? If so, who was his wife and/or mother? I am researching the Segraves family and in 1842, 4 heirs of Rebecca Segraves sold 120 acres to Luther Porter for $2 each their share. He paid $8 for 120 acres. Typically when land is sold this cheaply its a transfer of land between family members as a token. Conversely, in 1843 Thomas Segraves paid $100 to his aunt Sally Segraves for 12 acres. These small parcels of land were once part of 280 acres owned by Samuel Segraves. Thank you Sharon Tabor **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)
The land known as "Walker's Line" is still disputed. There is a 15 mile "no man's land" that runs from the jag at the Jackson Purchase east to the VA line. Between 1796 when TN became a state until 1820 the KY/TN boundary moved between the current and original surveyed lines several times. If you look at early KY maps, the KY border is a straight line that connects to the southern border of the Jackson Purchase section. The current boundary was a compromise between KY and TN in 1820 but the actual line is still uncertain. This became an issue again when Ft. Campbell was located to Clarksville TN. Everyone on the Ft Campbell base has a KY address even though they are actually in TN. This can cause a tremendous amount of confusion because the courthouse where legal documents were recorded depended on the state line (did they live in KY or TN at which time - without actually moving) and the county line. Allen was carved from Warren and Barren in 1815, Barren from Warren and Green Co KY 1798, Warren was carved from Logan in 1797, Logan was carved from Lincoln. At the time KY became a state in 1792, an ancestor living in the county now known as Allen would have been in Lincoln Co KY which covered nearly 1/2 of the state, and before that in VA. An Allen Co ancestor who settled in early KY between 1790-1820 could have lived in VA, then KY, then TN (a state in 1796), then KY, then TN if they lived inside "Walkers Line", and also in Lincoln Co, Logan Co, Warren Co, Sumner Co TN, then Warren Co KY, then Allen, and maybe in Simpson (formed from Allen in 1819) - and never have moved within the 30 year period. It makes research very challenging because you have to look for records in all counties. And helps explain relatives that ended up in different counties or states. Many people crossed county lines to marry. If you found your ancestors or family married in Barren, then they most likely lived in the northern section of Allen: those who lived in the the western portion might have married in Warren; the eastern section may have married in Monroe Co KY or Macon Co TN, and those who lived in the southern section may have married in Sumner Co TN or Simpson Co KY. Hope this helps, but most probably causes more confusion. :) Sharon Tabor In a message dated 11/13/2008 3:40:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdillow31@verizon.net writes: I haven't heard from you for awhile. I am guessing you know that those from Allen County went over the disputed state line that lasted a few years to Sumner Co., TN. . **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)
According to the "Survey Book A, Allen County KY 1815-1835" by Martha Jackson I have abstracted the following: Feb 1817, surveyed for PETER WAGGONER 30 acres of land....warrant no 1400... on th waters of Trammel Creek....black oak supposed to be on a line of said WAGGONR"s former survey.... (what has been eliminated is description of trees as boundaries) Jan 1819 For PETER WAGGONER 20 acres of land on the Trammells fork of Drakes Creek by virtue of a land office warrant granted to PETER WAGGONER for 20 acres No2816 dated Dec 16 1818 Feb 1821 Surveyed for PETER WAGGONER 50 acres of land on Trammells fork of Drakes Creek... Land offic Warrant No4969 dated Oct 17th 1820...to sd PETER WAGGONERS 200 acres. Survey on the Lower edge of the west bluff of the crk...sugar tree on th bank EDMOND WAGGONER's ... CC (chain carrier) Edmund Waggoner, Ephriam Waggoner, Samuel Waggoner (sons? nephews? brothers?) You might want to check Warren Co KY deeds before 1815 and check out the Land Warrants at _http://sos.ky.gov/land/_ (http://sos.ky.gov/land/) Sharon Tabor In a message dated 11/13/2008 2:20:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wagonerp@ohsu.edu writes: . If this is indeed the land that my Peter Waggoner owned, then it really makes sense why some of his children married in Sumner county, Tennessee. **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)
Hi Pam, I haven't heard from you for awhile. I am guessing you know that those from Allen County went over the disputed state line that lasted a few years to Sumner Co., Tn. ... going back and forth. I also have others in my family lines that did this too. :) I have George Waggoner who married Sarah Roberts and he died 1854 in Allen County where he left his will. He came from Orange County, NC. Marianne Dillow --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu> wrote: From: Pam Wagoner <wagonerp@ohsu.edu> Subject: [KYALLEN] Wagoner Hollow in Allen county To: kyallen@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:19 PM After all these years, I got the idea to put one of my Allen county surnames into the USGS website and ask for a search in Kentucky. Bingo, there is a Wagoner Hollow in Allen county. If this is indeed the land that my Peter Waggoner owned, then it really makes sense why some of his children married in Sumner county, Tennessee. One of the maps linked to USGS showed that the Hallow was 493 feet from 8275 Gallatin Road; 1527 feet south from 432 Carter Church Road, and 1593 feet north from O'Neal Road. Some O'Neals married into my Wagoner line. >From the satellite map I didn't see any buildings, but is anybody familiar with the area? I also didn't realize how close Macon county was until I printed off some of the maps. One of the maps also listed cemeteries; wouldn't it be exciting to find where Peter is buried? If you haven't done this before, I would definitely recommend doing so. I'm really excited about this information because it gives me leads to questions that I've just accepted they'll never be resolved. Pam Wagoner Oregon
After all these years, I got the idea to put one of my Allen county surnames into the USGS website and ask for a search in Kentucky. Bingo, there is a Wagoner Hollow in Allen county. If this is indeed the land that my Peter Waggoner owned, then it really makes sense why some of his children married in Sumner county, Tennessee. One of the maps linked to USGS showed that the Hallow was 493 feet from 8275 Gallatin Road; 1527 feet south from 432 Carter Church Road, and 1593 feet north from O'Neal Road. Some O'Neals married into my Wagoner line. >From the satellite map I didn't see any buildings, but is anybody familiar with the area? I also didn't realize how close Macon county was until I printed off some of the maps. One of the maps also listed cemeteries; wouldn't it be exciting to find where Peter is buried? If you haven't done this before, I would definitely recommend doing so. I'm really excited about this information because it gives me leads to questions that I've just accepted they'll never be resolved. Pam Wagoner Oregon
Robert Walker Bordwine. 81. Died October 29, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Washington County, VA native. Parents: late William Edward Bordwine and Maggie Frances McGuire Bordwind. Wife: late Martha Elizabeth Whaley Bordwine. Survivors: son, Robert William Bordwine: daughters; Frances Rebecca and Joseph Anderson, Nancy Ann and David Sechrest, Deborah Virginia and Donald Wynn: brother, Dennie Bordwine: 6 grandchildren. Predeceased by: brother, Joseph Gilmer Bordwine: sisters; Fairy Lee Bordwine, Ester Renee Hall, Nora Ethel Brewer, Rhoda Ellen Widener, Mary Ann Burton. Burial: Valley View Cemetery in Bristol, VA. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, November 6, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Mona Lee Harrell. 90. Died November 1, 2008, Franklin, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late Wood Willoughby and Kittie Kelsey Willoughby. Husband: late Jimmie Harrell. Survivors: daughter, Peggy and Jimmy Madison: son, Woody and Becky Harrell: 6 grandchildren. Burial: Greenlawn Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, November 6, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Margaret Penick Altman. 83. Died November 4, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Greensburg, KY native. Parents: late William Owen Penick Jr. and Mary Alma Donan Penick. Husband: Estel King "Al" Altman, who survives. Other survivors: son, Phil and Jorga Altman: daughters; Patsy and Rogers Powell, Anne and Mike Hyde: brother, W. O. Penick III: sisters; Sue Penick, Sarah Penick Hodges: 9 grandchildren. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, November 6, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Danielle Michelle Howell Williams. 23. Died October 27, 2008, Hendersonville, TN. Davidson County, TN native. Parents: Danny T. Howell and the late Sandra Morgan Howell. Other survivors: husband, Lee Williams: brother, Tommie and Lindsey Howell: stepbrothers; Matthew Thrasher, Joseph Thrasher: stepmother, Linda Howell: father-in-law, Bobby Lee Williams: mother-in-law, Vanessa Payne: grandmother, Gener and Tucker May: grandparents, John and Dora McGill: devoted pets; Roasy, Niko. Burial: Greenlawn Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
James Reeber "J.R." Brady. Died October 20, 2008, Bowling Green, KY. Warren County native. Parents: late Issac William Brady and Daisy Kirby Brady. Survivors: son, James Reeber "J.R." Brady Jr.: stepdaughters; Patricia Shaw, Teresa Shaw: sisters; Clara Crump, Eurie Brown, Ola Jean and Robert Smith, Oma and Stanley Kingrey: 3 grandchildren. Predeceased by: brother, George Brady. Heritage Funeral Home. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Charles O. Tapp. 79. Died October 26, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Henderson, KY native. Korean War Army veteran. Parents: late James Otha Tapp and Minnie Louise Williams Tapp. Survivors: wife, Regeneau Law Tapp: daughters; Sherry (Tapp) and Buddy Williams, Laura and Jeff Jones: 4 grandsons. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Larry Neal Towe. 68. Died October 22, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late Clive Vernon Towe and Lenora Vivian Moore Towe. Survivors: caretakers; David and Nikki Towe: sister-in-law, Elizabeth Towe: special friends; Karen Thornton, Nick Uhls: nieces, nephews. Predeceased by: nephew, Billy Wayne Towe: brothers; H. M. "Joe" Towe, J. Darrell "Jack" Towe: sister, Floy Dell Cooksey. Burial: Harmony Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Wayne Whitley. 68. Died October 22, 2008, Red Boiling Springs, TN. Macon County, TN native. Parents: late James Baskel and Lillian Mildred Donoho Whitley. Wife: late Ina Cherry. Survivors: devoted companion, Alice Bea Keith: daughter, Beverly and Chris Stewart: sons; Gregg and Angelina Whitley, Billy Wayne Whitley: stepdaughters; Brenda and Keith McDonald, Glenda and Mark Tirjan, Kathy and Robert Birdwell: brothers and sister-in-law; Billy and Louise Whitley, Donald Whitley: 18 grandchildren. Predeceased by: sister, Inez Newberry: brother, Richard Whitley. Burial: Whitley Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Doug Tarry. 47. Died October 21, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Glasgow, KY native. Parents: late Clifton Richard Tarry and Phyllis Gunell Tarry, who survives. Other survivors: wife, LaVonna Law Tarry: son, Bucky and Hilary Creeger: brother, Dennis and Violet Tarry: sister, Darlene and Gary Lockett: aunts; Clara Ground, Blondell Emberton, Mary Alice Christy: uncles; Leon and Janie Christy, Hughie and Phyllis Tarry: father-in-law and mother-in-law, Arnold and Frances Law: sister-in-law, LaDonna and Robert Campbell. Burial: Mount Olive Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Nadine B. Lawson. 84. Died September 30, 2008, Indianapolis, IN. Survivors: children; Charles Taylor, Gregory and AnnaMarie Tye, Gail and Larry Ross, Art and Katen Tye, Debbie and Terry Stogsdill, Ricky Alstott, Trish and Jerry Carter: 21 grandchildren., 30 great-grandchildren: her beloved pet, Star. Predeceased by: husband, Glenn Lawson. G. H. Herrmann Madison Avenue Funeral Home. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Daniel Wucetich. 81. Died October 25, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Detroit, MI native. Parents: late Elias Wucetich and Marie Cherney Wucetich. Wife: late Jean Wucetich. Survivors: daughters; Linda and Bernard Patton, Marcia and Brad Hunsanger, Carla McCarty: sons; Howard and Gerydine Wucetich, Robert Wucetich: 6 grandchildren. T. W. Crow and Son Funeral Home. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 30, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com
Ruby Sarah Crisp of Cedar Hill, TN. 82. Died October 20, 2008, Scottsville, KY. Logan County, KY native. Parents: J. W. Hutcheson and Mary Agnes Bandy Hutcheson. Husband: late Russell Earl Crisp. Survivors: daughters; Dorothy Lyons, Frances Royer: sons; George Hutcheson, Charles Richard Hutchenson: brother, Herman Hutcheson: sisters; Oma Sue Wilson, Bertha Gene Hornberger. Burial: Smith's Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 23, 2008, Page 4 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com