Linda Caldwell Hess. 59. Died October 22, 2007 Scottsville, KY. Gallatin, TN native. Parents: late Ernie Joe Caldwell and Nettie Kerry Cherry Caldwell. Survivors: son, Harold Lyles: daughter, Kellie Jameson. Predeceased by: brothers; Joe Caldwell, Milburn Caldwell. Burial: Caldwell Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 25, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

David Kinslow. 55. Died October 12, 2007 Scottsville, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late William Kinslow and Della Lee Ausbrooks Kinslow. Survivors: wife, Juanita Kinslow: daughters; Jennifer and Jeff Brown, Julie Kinslow: brothers; Bill Kinslow, Elam Kinslow: sisters; Dollie Keith, Lois Green: grandson, Evan Brown. Predeceased by: brother, Morgan Kinslow. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 25, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Ruth Keene Langford. 85. Died October 8, 2007, Lafayette, TN. Parents: late Vernon and Cleora "Toad" Brawner Keene. Husband: late Leland R. Langford. Survivors: sons; Dwight and Mary Langford, Keith and Betty Langford, Danny and Charlene Langford, Ronnie Langford: sister, Martha Jean Martin. Predeceased by: son, Michael Langford: granddaughter, Christi Langford: brothers; Douglas Keen, Paul Keene. Burial: Will Gregory Cemetery in Pleasant Shade, TN. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Richard David Jones of Red Boiling Springs, TN. 63. Died October 8, 2007 New Orleans, LA. Glasgow, KY native. Parents: late Ellis Van and Lattie Frances Freeman Jones. Survivors: wife, Shirley Ann Gross: son, Todd Jones: stepson, Jeff and Jennifer Brewer: stepdaughter, Tammy and Scotty Brawner: brother, Danny and Nancy Jones: sisters; Stephana Rose, Susie and Tim Gosnell: Burial: Macon County Memorial Gardens. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Pearl Mae Green. 50. Died October 8, 2007 Scottsville, KY. Framingham, MA native. Parents: late John Green and Eleanor June Morse Spencer, who survives. Other survivors: son, Niles Green: daughters; Amy Green, Jennifer Costello, Bianca Wilkerson: mother, Eleanore Spencer and her husband, Daniel: the children's father and companion for 19 years, Norman Wilkerson: brothers; Charles W. Burrill, Sheldon Burrill, William 'Billy' Burrill, Richard Burrill, Ronnie Burrill: sisters; Cheryl Richards, Gail Goguen, Judith Smith. Goad Funeral Home. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Howard Burton Thomas. 87. Died October 13, 2007 Bowling Green, KY. Hart County native. World War II Army Veteran. Parents: late Simon Bolivar Buckner Thomas and Sally Fannie Wheeler Thomas. Wife: late Adell Austin Thomas. Survivors: sons; Joel A. Thomas, Larry B. Thomas, Mike Thomas: daughter, June Morris: Predeceased by: son, Berl Wayne Thomas. Cremation. Burial of remains: Allen County Memorial Gardens. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Carline Emajean "Jean" Graham Goad. 71. Died October 14, 2007 Bowling Green, KY. Warren County native. Parents: late Rev. Phillip Graham and Anna Lorene Bledsoe Graham, who survives. Husband: late James Gilbert Goad. Other survivors: daughter, Vickie Lorraine and Mitchell Hayden: sons; James David and Suzanne Goad, Danny Goad: brother, Ray and Marge Graham. Predeceased by: brother, Charles Wayne Graham. Burial: Bethel Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

David Kinslow. 55. Died October 12, 2007 Scottsville, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late William Kinslow and Della Lee Ausbrooks Kinslow. Survivors: wife, Juanita Kinslow: daughters; Jennifer Kinslow Brown and her husband, Jeff, Julie Kinslow: brothers; Bill Kinslow, Elam Kinslow: sisters; Dollie Keith, Lois Green: grandson, Evan Brown. Predeceased by: brother, Morgan Kinslow. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Franklin D. Oliver. 62. Died October 14, 2007 Bowling Green, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late Hershel Oliver and Lillian Mae Craycraft Oliver. Wife: late Eleanor Shrum Oliver. Survivors: sons; Cody Oliver, Scotty Oliver, Jeffery Oliver and his companion, Christine Mann, Joey and Rebecca Oliver, Robin Oliver: daughters; Kristi Oliver and her companion, Danny Hanes, Angela and Wayne Thomas, Teresa and Troy Williams: brother, Hoss and Claire Oliver: special friend, Martha Harrison. Burial: Liberty Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 18, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Hello Don, And...."Hi", right back at you. Hope all is going well for you. Sorry to say, Genealogical research has been on my back burner these past few months and this week we're finally getting moved into our new home. It appears we left southern California just in time! It breaks my heart to see the destruction and loss from the horrendous >FIRES< in Orange County. We lived there for 42 years so it's still home to us, and.....we have kids there. The Santiago Fire, (which has not been contained yet), was only 2 miles from where our son and his family live but other than the poor air quality, he and his family are safe. We fly to Orange County next week so will have a first hand look at the devastation. How well I remember the horrible fire up at Big Bear Lake in 2003 when we were given mandatory evacuation orders and were not permitted to return to our home for almost two weeks. Well.....I've jabbered enough so will get back to unpacking our 500 boxes. I'll get back into genealogical research after the first of the year and for any of you folks out there, my surnames are: HOLLAND - OLIVER - STUBBLEFIELD - STOVALL - JACKSON - DIXON - HERRINGTON - HUFFMAN - OWEN, (among others)..... Have a great weekend everyone! Mimi Alexander ~Pepper Ridge Pond~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Burris<mailto:Don_Burris@msn.com> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [KYALLEN] Wow....!!!! Lance, Are you by chance related to a Charles W. Follin of Warren County, Ky.? I obtained some papers of his which included a photo of him that is dated 1893. Glad to share, and let me know. (I'm not related to him) Good story, as many of us have had similar experiences. Don Burris (Hi to Mimi as well) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mimi Alexander<mailto:wallyjakeandme@msn.com<mailto:wallyjakeandme@msn.com>> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Wow....!!!! Lance, That's a fabulous story about your ancestral line...Thanks for sharing it with everyone! I don't have anything that interesting to share but certainly hope others out there, other subscribers to the, KYALLEN-List, will post their stories too. We're in the process of moving so I haven't been online much lately but still read everyone's posts I enjoyed reading what you shared. Great Job, Lance!!!!! Mimi Alexander ~Pepper Ridge Pond~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Fallin, Lance<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com%3Cmailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com>>> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Brick Wall Stories That brick wall story about Seagraves/Segraves/ C. Graves reminded me of my family line .. but instead of Kentucky, this was on the Arkansas side of the family (anyway, both my Kentuckians and Arkansawyers all trace back to colonial Virginia anyhow). I was looking up my great great Grandpa Ed T Fallin, I knew that after 1900 they were in Clay County Arkansas. One of the interviews I had with my great Aunt (the oldest living person in the family) one day told me Ed Fallin was in the Civil War and was a Confederate Soldier but she didn't know which unit/company and whatnot. So, I wrote to the Arkansas History Commission, and they said there were 2 Ed Fallins: Ed T. Fallen and E.T Fallin in two different units or companies but one was a year after the other one (What had happened is that he went from infantry to cavalry a year later during the war) (his Confederate Service record shows birthplace was Tennessee) Also, in one of the census's (I think 1880 or 1870) in the soundex he was listed as Edwin T. Falden, and when I looked at the original record it was actually Edwin T. Fallen but the two L's were seperated wider than the other letters and one L almost looked like a d, but I could tell by the people in the household that it was Edward T. Fallin and not Falden. I had a great deal of trouble finding this family in Tennessee, untill one day my great Aunt told me (in a rare moment of clarity) that the T meant Townes and that his mom was a Townes and his middle name was Townes, so I finally found the family in Virginia ... er actually as newlyweds, and soon after they went to Tennessee, and they are on the census in 1830 and 1840 but I can't find them in 1850 and by 1860 my ancestor is in Arkansas and just about ready to be in the war. They were married in 1829 in Danville, Pittsylvania County, Virginia . which leads me to the most major brick wall part of this story that I had ever encountered ... Going back to my research in Arkansas, before I knew that Ed Fallin was a Confederate Veteran, and before I knew they had lived in Tennessee, the census in Arkansas (either Woodruff or Jackson county, can't remember which, but they lived in both counties) ... the Census taker wrote PA. for state of birth for Ed T. Fallin in 1870... by 1880 it says VA ... so I thought, what in the heck? was he born in Pennsylvania and then moved to Virginia or what? ... well ... the Townes surname married to a Fallin brought up Pittsylvania County in Virginia! bingo! once I got back to Danville, Virginia, I could trace this line all the way back to about 1743, with a possibility of linking up to coastal Virginia and Maryland all the way back to the late 1600's!!! (research still pending on the pre-1743 part though. I am still having a bit of a brick wall on verifying a Brown and LaFayette marriage in the 1890's or 1900 in Allen County Kentucky. Brown is just too common of a name to be guessing with, but I can't find anything at all about the LaFayette (or Lafette ... in Kentucky they seem to say it like "Laff ett" instead of "Lah fee ett" My Great Grandpa George Brown was born in 1885 ... worked for the L and N line for years before moving to St Louis Missouri, he was buried in Hickory Hills Cemetary in the 1970's in Allen County, Kentucky apparently he had 2 wives in his lifetime (not all at the same time though!!!) Pearl Anderson A.K.A. Fannie Pearl Anderson, and wayyy later on Dollie Gaines. George Brown's dad was Dan Brown and was supposedly married to a Ginny LaFayette ... have been unsuccesful so far as to really nailing this down, and this family skipped across the Kentucky Tennessee border a lot. Elsie Maud Brown (the daughter of George Brown) was born in 1905 in Gallatin, TN. but was apparently raised in Scotsville, and married Henry E. Gaines there in Scotsville, and by the 1920's or 30's they are living in St Louis, they had at least 6 kids, some were born in Scotsville, and the younger ones (like my mom) was born in St Louis. The Gaines side I have traced way back to Colonial Virginia with possibilities of tying into an Ancient Welsh Family near the Brecon Beacons in Wales (Breconshire Wales) ... very probably related to Sir David Gam who saved King Henry the 5th's life at Agincourt ... Gam morphed to Games, and Games morphed to Gaines, but ... research to solidly link us to this family is still pending. Names are definitely often-times mis-spelled in these old records, I have seen my family's name spelled as "Faullin, Follin, Fawlin, Falling, Fallen, Fallon, and Fallin" in the same town and state and in the same generation, and one sibling spells it one way, and another sibling spells it another way etc etc. I'm thinking our family was mainly Scots-Irish (or from Protestant Northern Ireland, and were possibly originally from the Scottish Midlands and Lowlands and then went to Ulster and then possibly married local Irish and then went to "British North America" and married other compatible people of a mainly Celtic background ... for awhile ... until they finally married Germans and French and eveyrthing else later on). Sorry for the long windedness, but I just loved the topic, and well, I was bored! haha! Happy Hunting everybody! Lance T. Fallin of the Scotsville, Allen County, Gaines and Brown and allied families ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lance, That's a fabulous story about your ancestral line...Thanks for sharing it with everyone! I don't have anything that interesting to share but certainly hope others out there, other subscribers to the, KYALLEN-List, will post their stories too. We're in the process of moving so I haven't been online much lately but still read everyone's posts I enjoyed reading what you shared. Great Job, Lance!!!!! Mimi Alexander ~Pepper Ridge Pond~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Fallin, Lance<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Brick Wall Stories That brick wall story about Seagraves/Segraves/ C. Graves reminded me of my family line .. but instead of Kentucky, this was on the Arkansas side of the family (anyway, both my Kentuckians and Arkansawyers all trace back to colonial Virginia anyhow). I was looking up my great great Grandpa Ed T Fallin, I knew that after 1900 they were in Clay County Arkansas. One of the interviews I had with my great Aunt (the oldest living person in the family) one day told me Ed Fallin was in the Civil War and was a Confederate Soldier. but she didn't know which unit/company and whatnot. So, I wrote to the Arkansas History Commission, and they said there were 2 Ed Fallins: Ed T. Fallen and E.T. Fallin in two different units or companies but one was a year after the other one (What had happened is that he went from infantry to cavalry a year later during the war) (his Confederate Service record shows birthplace was Tennessee) Also, in one of the census's (I think 1880 or 1870) in the soundex he was listed as Edwin T. Falden, and when I looked at the original record it was actually Edwin T. Fallen but the two L's were seperated wider than the other letters and one L almost looked like a d, but I could tell by the people in the household that it was Edward T. Fallin and not Falden. I had a great deal of trouble finding this family in Tennessee, untill one day my great Aunt told me (in a rare moment of clarity) that the T meant Townes and that his mom was a Townes and his middle name was Townes, so I finally found the family in Virginia ... er actually as newlyweds, and soon after they went to Tennessee, and they are on the census in 1830 and 1840 but I can't find them in 1850 and by 1860 my ancestor is in Arkansas and just about ready to be in the war. They were married in 1829 in Danville, Pittsylvania County, Virginia .. which leads me to the most major brick wall part of this story that I had ever encountered ... Going back to my research in Arkansas, before I knew that Ed Fallin was a Confederate Veteran, and before I knew they had lived in Tennessee, the census in Arkansas (either Woodruff or Jackson county, can't remember which, but they lived in both counties) ... the Census taker wrote PA. for state of birth for Ed T. Fallin in 1870... by 1880 it says VA ... so I thought, what in the heck? was he born in Pennsylvania and then moved to Virginia or what? ... well ... the Townes surname married to a Fallin brought up Pittsylvania County in Virginia! bingo! once I got back to Danville, Virginia, I could trace this line all the way back to about 1743, with a possibility of linking up to coastal Virginia and Maryland all the way back to the late 1600's!!! (research still pending on the pre-1743 part though. I am still having a bit of a brick wall on verifying a Brown and LaFayette marriage in the 1890's or 1900 in Allen County Kentucky. Brown is just too common of a name to be guessing with, but I can't find anything at all about the LaFayette (or Lafette ... in Kentucky they seem to say it like "Laff ett" instead of "Lah fee ett" My Great Grandpa George Brown was born in 1885 ... worked for the L and N line for years before moving to St Louis Missouri, he was buried in Hickory Hills Cemetary in the 1970's in Allen County, Kentucky apparently he had 2 wives in his lifetime (not all at the same time though!!!) Pearl Anderson A.K.A. Fannie Pearl Anderson, and wayyy later on Dollie Gaines. George Brown's dad was Dan Brown and was supposedly married to a Ginny LaFayette ... have been unsuccesful so far as to really nailing this down, and this family skipped across the Kentucky Tennessee border a lot. Elsie Maud Brown (the daughter of George Brown) was born in 1905 in Gallatin, TN. but was apparently raised in Scotsville, and married Henry E. Gaines there in Scotsville, and by the 1920's or 30's they are living in St Louis, they had at least 6 kids, some were born in Scotsville, and the younger ones (like my mom) was born in St Louis. The Gaines side I have traced way back to Colonial Virginia with possibilities of tying into an Ancient Welsh Family near the Brecon Beacons in Wales (Breconshire Wales) ... very probably related to Sir David Gam who saved King Henry the 5th's life at Agincourt ... Gam morphed to Games, and Games morphed to Gaines, but ... research to solidly link us to this family is still pending. Names are definitely often-times mis-spelled in these old records, I have seen my family's name spelled as "Faullin, Follin, Fawlin, Falling, Fallen, Fallon, and Fallin" in the same town and state and in the same generation, and one sibling spells it one way, and another sibling spells it another way etc etc. I'm thinking our family was mainly Scots-Irish (or from Protestant Northern Ireland, and were possibly originally from the Scottish Midlands and Lowlands and then went to Ulster and then possibly married local Irish and then went to "British North America" and married other compatible people of a mainly Celtic background ... for awhile ... until they finally married Germans and French and eveyrthing else later on). Sorry for the long windedness, but I just loved the topic, and well, I was bored! haha! Happy Hunting everybody! Lance T. Fallin of the Scotsville, Allen County, Gaines and Brown and allied families ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lance, Are you by chance related to a Charles W. Follin of Warren County, Ky.? I obtained some papers of his which included a photo of him that is dated 1893. Glad to share, and let me know. (I'm not related to him) Good story, as many of us have had similar experiences. Don Burris (Hi to Mimi as well) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mimi Alexander<mailto:wallyjakeandme@msn.com> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Wow....!!!! Lance, That's a fabulous story about your ancestral line...Thanks for sharing it with everyone! I don't have anything that interesting to share but certainly hope others out there, other subscribers to the, KYALLEN-List, will post their stories too. We're in the process of moving so I haven't been online much lately but still read everyone's posts I enjoyed reading what you shared. Great Job, Lance!!!!! Mimi Alexander ~Pepper Ridge Pond~ ----- Original Message ----- From: Fallin, Lance<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com<mailto:Lance.Fallin@pnmresources.com>> To: kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com<mailto:kyallen@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: [KYALLEN] Brick Wall Stories That brick wall story about Seagraves/Segraves/ C. Graves reminded me of my family line .. but instead of Kentucky, this was on the Arkansas side of the family (anyway, both my Kentuckians and Arkansawyers all trace back to colonial Virginia anyhow). I was looking up my great great Grandpa Ed T Fallin, I knew that after 1900 they were in Clay County Arkansas. One of the interviews I had with my great Aunt (the oldest living person in the family) one day told me Ed Fallin was in the Civil War and was a Confederate Soldier but she didn't know which unit/company and whatnot. So, I wrote to the Arkansas History Commission, and they said there were 2 Ed Fallins: Ed T. Fallen and E.T Fallin in two different units or companies but one was a year after the other one (What had happened is that he went from infantry to cavalry a year later during the war) (his Confederate Service record shows birthplace was Tennessee) Also, in one of the census's (I think 1880 or 1870) in the soundex he was listed as Edwin T. Falden, and when I looked at the original record it was actually Edwin T. Fallen but the two L's were seperated wider than the other letters and one L almost looked like a d, but I could tell by the people in the household that it was Edward T. Fallin and not Falden. I had a great deal of trouble finding this family in Tennessee, untill one day my great Aunt told me (in a rare moment of clarity) that the T meant Townes and that his mom was a Townes and his middle name was Townes, so I finally found the family in Virginia ... er actually as newlyweds, and soon after they went to Tennessee, and they are on the census in 1830 and 1840 but I can't find them in 1850 and by 1860 my ancestor is in Arkansas and just about ready to be in the war. They were married in 1829 in Danville, Pittsylvania County, Virginia . which leads me to the most major brick wall part of this story that I had ever encountered ... Going back to my research in Arkansas, before I knew that Ed Fallin was a Confederate Veteran, and before I knew they had lived in Tennessee, the census in Arkansas (either Woodruff or Jackson county, can't remember which, but they lived in both counties) ... the Census taker wrote PA. for state of birth for Ed T. Fallin in 1870... by 1880 it says VA ... so I thought, what in the heck? was he born in Pennsylvania and then moved to Virginia or what? ... well ... the Townes surname married to a Fallin brought up Pittsylvania County in Virginia! bingo! once I got back to Danville, Virginia, I could trace this line all the way back to about 1743, with a possibility of linking up to coastal Virginia and Maryland all the way back to the late 1600's!!! (research still pending on the pre-1743 part though. I am still having a bit of a brick wall on verifying a Brown and LaFayette marriage in the 1890's or 1900 in Allen County Kentucky. Brown is just too common of a name to be guessing with, but I can't find anything at all about the LaFayette (or Lafette ... in Kentucky they seem to say it like "Laff ett" instead of "Lah fee ett" My Great Grandpa George Brown was born in 1885 ... worked for the L and N line for years before moving to St Louis Missouri, he was buried in Hickory Hills Cemetary in the 1970's in Allen County, Kentucky apparently he had 2 wives in his lifetime (not all at the same time though!!!) Pearl Anderson A.K.A. Fannie Pearl Anderson, and wayyy later on Dollie Gaines. George Brown's dad was Dan Brown and was supposedly married to a Ginny LaFayette ... have been unsuccesful so far as to really nailing this down, and this family skipped across the Kentucky Tennessee border a lot. Elsie Maud Brown (the daughter of George Brown) was born in 1905 in Gallatin, TN. but was apparently raised in Scotsville, and married Henry E. Gaines there in Scotsville, and by the 1920's or 30's they are living in St Louis, they had at least 6 kids, some were born in Scotsville, and the younger ones (like my mom) was born in St Louis. The Gaines side I have traced way back to Colonial Virginia with possibilities of tying into an Ancient Welsh Family near the Brecon Beacons in Wales (Breconshire Wales) ... very probably related to Sir David Gam who saved King Henry the 5th's life at Agincourt ... Gam morphed to Games, and Games morphed to Gaines, but ... research to solidly link us to this family is still pending. Names are definitely often-times mis-spelled in these old records, I have seen my family's name spelled as "Faullin, Follin, Fawlin, Falling, Fallen, Fallon, and Fallin" in the same town and state and in the same generation, and one sibling spells it one way, and another sibling spells it another way etc etc. I'm thinking our family was mainly Scots-Irish (or from Protestant Northern Ireland, and were possibly originally from the Scottish Midlands and Lowlands and then went to Ulster and then possibly married local Irish and then went to "British North America" and married other compatible people of a mainly Celtic background ... for awhile ... until they finally married Germans and French and eveyrthing else later on). Sorry for the long windedness, but I just loved the topic, and well, I was bored! haha! Happy Hunting everybody! Lance T. Fallin of the Scotsville, Allen County, Gaines and Brown and allied families ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KYALLEN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That brick wall story about Seagraves/Segraves/ C. Graves reminded me of my family line .. but instead of Kentucky, this was on the Arkansas side of the family (anyway, both my Kentuckians and Arkansawyers all trace back to colonial Virginia anyhow). I was looking up my great great Grandpa Ed T. Fallin, I knew that after 1900 they were in Clay County Arkansas. One of the interviews I had with my great Aunt (the oldest living person in the family) one day told me Ed Fallin was in the Civil War and was a Confederate Soldier. but she didn't know which unit/company and whatnot. So, I wrote to the Arkansas History Commission, and they said there were 2 Ed Fallins: Ed T. Fallen and E.T. Fallin in two different units or companies but one was a year after the other one (What had happened is that he went from infantry to cavalry a year later during the war) (his Confederate Service record shows birthplace was Tennessee) Also, in one of the census's (I think 1880 or 1870) in the soundex he was listed as Edwin T. Falden, and when I looked at the original record it was actually Edwin T. Fallen but the two L's were seperated wider than the other letters and one L almost looked like a d, but I could tell by the people in the household that it was Edward T. Fallin and not Falden. I had a great deal of trouble finding this family in Tennessee, untill one day my great Aunt told me (in a rare moment of clarity) that the T meant Townes and that his mom was a Townes and his middle name was Townes, so I finally found the family in Virginia ... er actually as newlyweds, and soon after they went to Tennessee, and they are on the census in 1830 and 1840 but I can't find them in 1850 and by 1860 my ancestor is in Arkansas and just about ready to be in the war. They were married in 1829 in Danville, Pittsylvania County, Virginia ... which leads me to the most major brick wall part of this story that I had ever encountered ... Going back to my research in Arkansas, before I knew that Ed Fallin was a Confederate Veteran, and before I knew they had lived in Tennessee, the census in Arkansas (either Woodruff or Jackson county, can't remember which, but they lived in both counties) ... the Census taker wrote PA. for state of birth for Ed T. Fallin in 1870... by 1880 it says VA ... so I thought, what in the heck? was he born in Pennsylvania and then moved to Virginia or what? ... well ... the Townes surname married to a Fallin brought up Pittsylvania County in Virginia! bingo! once I got back to Danville, Virginia, I could trace this line all the way back to about 1743, with a possibility of linking up to coastal Virginia and Maryland all the way back to the late 1600's!!! (research still pending on the pre-1743 part though. I am still having a bit of a brick wall on verifying a Brown and LaFayette marriage in the 1890's or 1900 in Allen County Kentucky. Brown is just too common of a name to be guessing with, but I can't find anything at all about the LaFayette (or Lafette ... in Kentucky they seem to say it like "Laff ett" instead of "Lah fee ett" My Great Grandpa George Brown was born in 1885 ... worked for the L and N line for years before moving to St Louis Missouri, he was buried in Hickory Hills Cemetary in the 1970's in Allen County, Kentucky apparently he had 2 wives in his lifetime (not all at the same time though!!!) Pearl Anderson A.K.A. Fannie Pearl Anderson, and wayyy later on Dollie Gaines. George Brown's dad was Dan Brown and was supposedly married to a Ginny LaFayette ... have been unsuccesful so far as to really nailing this down, and this family skipped across the Kentucky Tennessee border a lot. Elsie Maud Brown (the daughter of George Brown) was born in 1905 in Gallatin, TN. but was apparently raised in Scotsville, and married Henry E. Gaines there in Scotsville, and by the 1920's or 30's they are living in St Louis, they had at least 6 kids, some were born in Scotsville, and the younger ones (like my mom) was born in St Louis. The Gaines side I have traced way back to Colonial Virginia with possibilities of tying into an Ancient Welsh Family near the Brecon Beacons in Wales (Breconshire Wales) ... very probably related to Sir David Gam who saved King Henry the 5th's life at Agincourt ... Gam morphed to Games, and Games morphed to Gaines, but ... research to solidly link us to this family is still pending. Names are definitely often-times mis-spelled in these old records, I have seen my family's name spelled as "Faullin, Follin, Fawlin, Falling, Fallen, Fallon, and Fallin" in the same town and state and in the same generation, and one sibling spells it one way, and another sibling spells it another way etc etc. I'm thinking our family was mainly Scots-Irish (or from Protestant Northern Ireland, and were possibly originally from the Scottish Midlands and Lowlands and then went to Ulster and then possibly married local Irish and then went to "British North America" and married other compatible people of a mainly Celtic background ... for awhile ... until they finally married Germans and French and eveyrthing else later on). Sorry for the long windedness, but I just loved the topic, and well, I was bored! haha! Happy Hunting everybody! Lance T. Fallin of the Scotsville, Allen County, Gaines and Brown and allied families

Yes - the 1900 Warren County Census. I couldn't find my grandparents until searching for the kids. It seems that Sidney Phillip "Sid" Hardcastle came out as "Fred" Hardcastle. My grandmother Araminta/Aramittie/Mittie - you name it - was never the best name to search. Mittie's parents were no mean feat in the 1800 Census of Union County. G-grandpa Atwood Willoughby, who also shows up as At, Att, etc., is "Atward" in that census. Of course his wife Mahulda Patterson Willoughby is "Huldy" in that census. I can't find either one of them in 1900. While I know that at least At (haha) was alive, as he's with the former family in 1910, I can't find any record of Huldy after 1880 and I have never been able to find where she was buried. There is a Huldy Willoughby in Saline County, Ill. in 1910, but I've been able to determine it's a different person - even though she was the right age. "At" is listed as a widower in 1910, but that's not necessarily accurate. I would still like to figure out where they were in 1900 - at least him - to get a better idea of their life stories. Martha FmlyTracer@aol.com wrote: > Waa - laa. Up came Lucinda Robertson in the household of Daniel C. Graves - > the census taker interpreted the first syllable of the surname as an initial. > > Moral to the story - don't give up. > > Does anyone else have a "brick wall" story to share? > > Sharon Tabor > List Administrator > >

I just experienced, again, how a census taker can record information they think they hear and erroneously write it - making it difficult for us to find the person many years later. I have been researching the Seagraves/Segraves/Cegraves families of Allen & Warren Co. I have hunted for years for Daniel Hall Segraves 1855-1927 in the 1910 Census. I used soundex searches, including substituting the "S" for an "L" since in old fashioned handwriting styles the two letter look similar. The 1900 census was easy as just a surname search in Warren Co revealed only one family - David H. Seagraves - Daniel and David are often misinterpreted. The 1910 census was more difficult. Soundex searches, and given name searches for David b. 1855, Daniel b. 1855, and even searches for his wife as Bettie and Elizabeth did not present any results. They had no children so searching for the children's first names was not an option. Knowing that Daniel's sister-in-law Lucinda Robertson was living with the couple in 1900, I decided to see if she was still living in 1910 and resorted to a search for her. Waa - laa. Up came Lucinda Robertson in the household of Daniel C. Graves - the census taker interpreted the first syllable of the surname as an initial. Moral to the story - don't give up. Does anyone else have a "brick wall" story to share? Sharon Tabor List Administrator ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Treva Louise Brown Simpson. 80. Died October 5, 2007, Bowling Green, KY. Cleveland, TN native. Parents: late Thomas Durrell Brown Sr., and Eva Cramer Brown. Husband: late Robert Lee "Bob" Simpson. Survivors: son, Michael J. Simpson: sisters-in-law; Ruth Brown, Eurie Brown: grandson. Predeceased by: son, Bobby Simpson and his wife, Karen Simpson: sisters; Inez Corbit, Katie Stovall: brothers; Albert Brown, Dennis Brown, Durrell Brown, T. D. Brown Jr., Chester Brown, Dillard Brown. Burial: Mt. Union General Baptist Church in Allen County, KY. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 11, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Bobby Dean Mitchell. 74. Died October 6, 2007, Edmonton, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late Clarence and Novella Mitchell. Survivors: wife, Sarah Mitchell: son, Eddie Mitchell: stepson Michael Bunch and his wife, Diane: brothers; Jerry Mitchell, James "Doug" Mitchell: sister, Reba Lonas: one grandson: one step granddaughter. Predeceased by: sister, Novice June Mitchell: brothers; Glyn Read Mitchell, Billy Wayne Mitchell. Burial: Edmonton by Butler Funeral Home. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 11, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Denise Gens. 50. Died October 4, 2007 Scottsville, KY. Waukegan, IL. native. Parents: late Martin Golden Jr. and Dorothy Wright Golden. Survivors: husband, Brad "Pothead" Gens: sons; Kevin Gens, Brandin Gens and his companion, Kristen Stratton, Cory Gens: brothers; William Golden, Martin Golden III, Michael Golden: sister, Sandra Floyd: two grandchildren. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 11, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

Jerry Wayne Carver. 54. Died September 30, 2007, Nashville, TN. Allen County, KY native. Parents: late James Samuel Carver and Joyce Faye Shrum Walker. Survivors: daughter, Felisha Ann Kirchner: four brothers; Roger Carver, James Carver, Billy Bundren, Danny Carver: sisters; Nina Centers, Shirley Burnely, Trena Putman: five grandchildren. Predeceased by: son, Jeremy Carver: daughter, Cheryl Carver: brother, James Henry Bundren. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 11, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com

May Towe Foster. 85. Died October 1, 2007 Glasgow, KY. Allen County native. Parents: late Orville Bascom Towe Sr. and Beulah Mae Sutherland Towe Carter. Husband: late Alton Foster. Survivors: son, Steve Foster: granddaughter, Emily Foster. Predeceased by: sister, Willodyne Marsh: brothers; O. B. Towe JR., Wayne Towe. Burial: Crescent Hill Cemetery. Refer to: The Citizen-Times, October 11, 2007, Page 5 Submitted by: Mary Kathern Beadle Sweetpotato14551@Yahoo.Com