Jerry, I found that I have temporary access to NewsBank. They have a large collection of newspaper databases. This service may be available through your local library. I did a search and found Betty's obit: Kansas City Star, The (MO) - June 19, 1999 Deceased Name: BETTY J. BARBER Betty J. Barber, 75, Kansas City, KS, passed away Friday, June 18, 1999, at her home. Funeral services will be 10 a.m. Monday, June 21, at the Meyers Family Funeral Home, 6300 Parallel Pkwy, Kansas City, KS; entombment in Resurrection Cemetery, 83rd & Quivira. Friends may call 6-8 p.m. Sunday at the funeral home. The family suggests memorials to Catholic Community Hospice. Mrs. Barber was born June 23, 1923, in Kansas City, KS. She was married on October 28, 1939, to Otto A. Barber. Prior to her marriage she attended Wyandotte High School, where she was a member of Tau Phi Gamma sorority. She was currently a member of VFW Ladies Auxiliary Post 5851. She was preceded in death by her father, Arthur J. Renne Sr.; mother, Isabell Renne; and brother, Arthur J. Renne Jr. Survivors include her beloved husband, Otto A. Barber; loving son, Dennis O. Barber; brothers,William R. Renne, Robert T. Renne and Gary Renne; sisters, Joan Sellers and Sharon Peil; numerous loved nieces, nephews and aunt, Evelyn Meyn; special friends, Dorothy Lee Bradshaw, Bertie Martens, Innis and Abe Truschka and Mary Kletchka. (Arrangements: Meyers Family Funeral Home) Kansas City Star, The (MO) Date: June 19, 1999 Edition: METROPOLITAN Page: B5 Record Number: 827605 Copyright (c) 1999 The Kansas City Star -----Original Message----- From: kswyando-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kswyando-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Williams Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:46 AM To: kswyando@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Jerry' Subject: Re: Wyandotte County Betty Renne Jerry, Here are some of the free resources I use to track people down. I'm listing the websites and the results of the search. Social Security Death Index Search (http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi) This is a good place to look, but does not turn up an exact match. The closest match is: BETTY J BARBER, b. 23 Jun 1923, d. 18 Jun 1999 (Proof), Last Res. 66104 (Kansas City, Wyandotte, KS), SSN 510-22-2207 Issued in Kansas. Her death date shows as 1999. Otto's dates match what you supplied. Intelius http://www.intelius.com This is a public record search, which usually extracts information from county records like property transactions. They want you to pay to retrieve more information, but I would not do it. What they list for free gives you some pretty good clues: Name: BETTY J BARBER Age 84: (projected age) Previous Cities: KANSAS CITY, KS; CAMDENTON, MO Relatives: OTTO A BARBER, YVONNE F BARBER, DEBORA A BARBER, DENNIS O BARBER So this projected age matches the birth date found in the SSDI above. Obtaining Birthdays in One Step http://www.stevemorse.org/birthday/birthday2.html using www.birthdatabase.com. Now that you have an approximate age, you can try to find an exact birthday in this database. I believe this database is also compiled using public records. Once again, the only good match that I find also matches the SSDI record: BETTY J BARBER, age 84, b. Jun 23 1923, location Kansas City, KS 66104 With the known approximate birth date, you might be able to find her in the 1930 census, and therefore a birth location. However, that could be difficult because of possible surname spelling mistakes. Perhaps someone can find an obituary for her with this new possible death date. Steve -----Original Message----- From: kswyando-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kswyando-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:19 PM To: kswyando@rootsweb.com Subject: Wyandotte County Betty Renne I am assisting an elderly friend. She is seeking a birthdate and place for her sister-in-law, Betty Renne Barber, who died 21 Jun 1997 in Kansas City. Betty was the wife of Otto Alfred Barber b. 1 Aug 1917 d. 9 Sep 2006 and married Betty in Jun 1939. I've searched Ancestry and looked through the Genweb sources for Betsy and not had much luck. I did locate her as Betty J. Barber in her son's obituary, which is online. Her son was Dennis Otto Barber b. 27 May 1947 d. 21 May 2004. Any suggestions appreciated. Thank you, JB Cowley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message