Hi Helen, I am going to send you a boodle of materials off list because I am now sure that I've found the correct woman in Kansas City, Jackson, MO. I am really just continuing to post to the list so that others can stay informed and no one goes out and wastes effort by duplicating the research already performed. I pinned together the parents and grandparents of the Irene Bernice Warren Bates that I sent you info on in previous postings. Those ancestors fit into a family file I found on the net that does not have Bernice's birth or death date but does note that she killed herself by drinking mercury. There is no doubt that the Bernice Warren born to Frank and Minnie L. Warren is the same person noted as drinking mercury. It does not have her marriage or any other info. I would think that it would be a nearly ridiculous coincidence for a woman with the same name, in the same time period, and in the same general area, to have killed herself. So I feel confident that I have found your Irene Bernice. I do understand that this is not a slam dunk or finished project until you find her place and date of death. I also understand that, after searching for death files using the name Bates, if you are unsuccessful, you will have to look for a divorce or second marriage, probably listed under the name, Bates, and may have to come back to the list to request a look-up. But at least you now have the next step to work with. Good luck. And if you have anti-spamming software, you will need to add my personal e-mail to your address list, so that your software deosn't reject my mails as spam. Patricia