Since Kansas City, Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri are only separated by a river it occurred to me maybe there was an error back in the 1800 which state a person was really born in or died in. If they have always use he "river as the border" the earthquake in 1811 did change the river. I know this was before Kansas was a state; however, we have had floods and this could possibly have changed it. Also the Corp of Engineers (whenever they started) made changes to the rivers and its tributaries. I think the corps started in 1775. This is all just crazy possibilities I know....but I have been told we people who like genealogy are a bit this way. Vivian ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Yes. Your logic is good. Grover Cleveland was the first thing that I thought of, too. Especially since he was elected in 1884. But when I saw the quotations, it spoke to me of being a nickname. When you can't find males born in 1881 and 1885 in the WWI database, it may mean that they did not survive. It is fairly complete and many fewer misspelled names. Have you looked for graves in Wyandotte? What area of Wyandotte were they living? My sense, from the census, was that it was the city. Good luck, again, Patricia On 5/19/07, Joanne Gaudio <jgaudio@charter.net> wrote: > > Thanks for all the tips, Pat. They're good ones, and I'll get on it. I > have a feeling people died, too. But Bert in CA? I hadn't noticed him > and > I'll check into it. About the Cleveland - I hadn't noticed the quotation > marks, but my guess was that the name was really Grover Cleveland - very > popular at the time. But you never know! Joanne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think you might consider that Cleveland had another name. In the census, his name is in quotes. None of the other names on the page are. It's possible they hadn't yet named him or this was a nickname. Sometimes babies weren't named for the first few months of their lives. There is a Bert Ensininger in CA. I looked at his WWI draft card. He was born in Jan 1885 in KS. That would be the right month and year, since the 1885 KS census was taken in March and he was 2 mos old. John or Frank may have died. People like this can just be lost in a sea of misspelling. In the 1920 census, Bert is a single lodger, although he was married for the draft registration. Movie picture director. If they were living in Kansas City, KS, I would think that there would be directories that could be helpful. If they were farmers, the best bet is tax rolls. If Hattie ended up back in OH, the others may have been dead. Or have gone with her. When I am really stuck, I do first name searches using birth years or states. The other think I do is to begin to research any family that is around my people. Good luck, Patricia On 5/19/07, Joanne Gaudio <jgaudio@charter.net> wrote: > > Thanks, Vivian. I tried using soundex, but of course, not everything > comes > up that way. I'll give "erminger" a shot. Joanne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Vivian. I tried using soundex, but of course, not everything comes up that way. I'll give "erminger" a shot. Joanne

Have you tried "Erminger" as I use to have neighbors by this name? Vivian ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Vivian... Thanks for your e mail. I'll keep that address. Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

_www.FamilyWatchDog.us_ (http://www.FamilyWatchDog.us) This may sound like a strange genealogy site; however, if you know the address of something you can put it in and a nice map shows up that is quite readable. I also think it is helpful if you are wanting to know about criminals that could be living close to you. Of course, if you want specific information on an individual you are charged for it. Just hope it is helpful. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Does anyone on the list recognize the name ENSMINGER? I'm trying to trace some Ohio family members who were in the 1885 Kansas state census, living in Wyandotte in Wyandotte Co. (On the ancestry.com index the name was misspelled Evaingmer) There was John, b. 1856, Hattie, b. 1861, and Frank, b. 1881 - all born in Ohio - and baby Cleveland, b. 1885 in Kansas. John (J. F.) appeared on the 1887 Wyandotte Co. tax list and a J. Ensmunger appeared on the 1905 tax list - could have been son Frank, who I think was really John F. Jr. But I can't find them in any other census. Hattie, I believe, died back in Ohio in 1907. Hattie was born a Hoffman, and several other Ohio Hoffman family members also came to Wyandotte Co. in the 1870-1900 range. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks. Joanne Gaudio

You're welcome, Louise. Glad that you placed the family. On 5/18/07, LHawthorne@aol.com <LHawthorne@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Patricia... > > Thanks for your help and e mail. > I was looking for the precinct so I had some idea of where they lived. > Hadn't thought of maps (brain must have been on "fade"). Tonight, I > Googled a > great map which shows me where 10th & Central is and, more importantly, > where > North 6th and Tauromee Avenue is located (this is where they lived in > 1905). I > couldn't read "Tauromee" on the Census image, but could when I found the > map > because I could read "Sandusky Ave." on the Census and map. > Thanks again, > Louise > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again, Pam... I forgot to add a short PS to my message. I see by your address on another posting that you live in OP. I lived for 8 years in "old Overland Park" at 7238 Lowell Ave.! Talk about a small world. My children went to school there and I've always been so thankful they did. Loved living there; just wish I had started this genealogy business then because it would have been so much easier. Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Patricia... Thanks for your help and e mail. I was looking for the precinct so I had some idea of where they lived. Hadn't thought of maps (brain must have been on "fade"). Tonight, I Googled a great map which shows me where 10th & Central is and, more importantly, where North 6th and Tauromee Avenue is located (this is where they lived in 1905). I couldn't read "Tauromee" on the Census image, but could when I found the map because I could read "Sandusky Ave." on the Census and map. Thanks again, Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Pam... Thank you so much for your e mail and suggestions. I've checked these sites, but will go over them again and I think I'll contact the Museum for some help. Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Small world! I forgot to take off my automatic signature...you caught me. But, what a pleasant surprise to meet someone who enjoys the same "hometown". I agree, Old Overland Park is the best part of Johnson County...hands down. Glad you are managing to find you way around Wyandotte County. I grew up there and have a real affection for the most unusual place. If you get lost again, just let me know, OK? Pamela LHawthorne@aol.com wrote: Hi again, Pam... I forgot to add a short PS to my message. I see by your address on another posting that you live in OP. I lived for 8 years in "old Overland Park" at 7238 Lowell Ave.! Talk about a small world. My children went to school there and I've always been so thankful they did. Loved living there; just wish I had started this genealogy business then because it would have been so much easier. Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh my God, Pam. I saw your name and thought, my family knew a Pam Tate. I'm Marty's little sister, Missy!!!!! Write me at roseladym@yahoo.com!!!!!! Tate <ptated1@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for sharing this Melissa. Unfortunately the malady of outright laziness is quite widespread in the cemetery industry. You are right, if they don't like their job, they should turn it over to someone who is excited about the work. You are from KCKS? ...My best friend from childhood was Martha Blackman, daughter of Maurice Blackman...might you be related? Pamela Tate Melissa Blackman wrote: Pam, I have to share with you and everyone a comment that was made to me by a staff member at a huge cemetery which is just a few blocks west of St. John's. I was trying to help someone online find their family in this cemetery. The person there was nice and tried to help as much as possible but said "I really shouldn't be doing this without charging you. The owners don't want us to get involved in 'this genealogy business'. We're supposed to charge you a dollar for every page we copy because we just don't have time for this". Excuse me???????? I'm sure they don't have time for it but if that's the case, they need to turn their records over to someone, like me, that would gladly start the process of documenting everything online so Tate wrote: Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is awful. I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for our cemeteries. What a paradox! Thanks so much, Pamela Tate Pat Williams wrote: I completely understand your frustration, however, my understanding is that this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: Wyandotte County Genealogy Society PO BOX 4228 Kansas City, KS 66104-0228 You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center with the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county historian employed. http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html info@wycokck.org Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. Good luck! Patricia Williams On 5/15/07, Tate wrote: > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common place > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic Cemeteries > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert Chenoweth, > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately roadblocks > our family efforts. > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish records > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on St. > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of the > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help now, > believe me. > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > stone. > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > I have a question: > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your organization > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the scope > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a genealogist > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it gets. > > Sincerely, > > Pamela Tate > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > Overland Park, KS 66212 > 913.642.6935 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for sharing this Melissa. Unfortunately the malady of outright laziness is quite widespread in the cemetery industry. You are right, if they don't like their job, they should turn it over to someone who is excited about the work. You are from KCKS? ...My best friend from childhood was Martha Blackman, daughter of Maurice Blackman...might you be related? Pamela Tate Melissa Blackman <roseladym@yahoo.com> wrote: Pam, I have to share with you and everyone a comment that was made to me by a staff member at a huge cemetery which is just a few blocks west of St. John's. I was trying to help someone online find their family in this cemetery. The person there was nice and tried to help as much as possible but said "I really shouldn't be doing this without charging you. The owners don't want us to get involved in 'this genealogy business'. We're supposed to charge you a dollar for every page we copy because we just don't have time for this". Excuse me???????? I'm sure they don't have time for it but if that's the case, they need to turn their records over to someone, like me, that would gladly start the process of documenting everything online so Tate wrote: Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is awful. I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for our cemeteries. What a paradox! Thanks so much, Pamela Tate Pat Williams wrote: I completely understand your frustration, however, my understanding is that this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: Wyandotte County Genealogy Society PO BOX 4228 Kansas City, KS 66104-0228 You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center with the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county historian employed. http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html info@wycokck.org Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. Good luck! Patricia Williams On 5/15/07, Tate wrote: > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common place > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic Cemeteries > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert Chenoweth, > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately roadblocks > our family efforts. > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish records > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on St. > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of the > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help now, > believe me. > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > stone. > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > I have a question: > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your organization > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the scope > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a genealogist > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it gets. > > Sincerely, > > Pamela Tate > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > Overland Park, KS 66212 > 913.642.6935 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Those are great ideas, Pat. For more than a year now I have tried to engage cooperation of the the Cemetery Director and the caretaker, but they have been most unpleasant. Still, you are right...those who maintained the cemetery before them will hold answers to many puzzles. I will make a few contacts and see if I can stir any former Directors interest. And they might know groundskeepers....ummm. I'll bet that groundskeepers tend to stay in the industry. The ones I have met lately do not speak English. Yet, finding some former groundskeepers could prove to be a goldmine. This could take some strategy. And time. You are a little "Sherlock Holmes"! Great Ideas, thanks. Tate Pat Williams <genealogistgrrl@gmail.com> wrote: I have a couple of other suggestions, but they're not especially "easy". There may be or have been a cemetery caretaker, hired mainly to dig graves and mow the grounds. If you can get a name from the cemetery director, these people sometimes have a lot "in their heads". I have even found that they sometimes kept their own records and once even got those records from a surviving daughter. If you can also unearth anyone in the parish who does genealogy, they may be your biggest help. Unfortunately, once the stones are gone......they're gone. My own horror story with an IA parish is that when the deserted church burned, the parish priest just sent in a caterpillar to push all the burned debris off to the side and into a farmer's field. Along with the debris, all of the oldest tombstones, closest to, and surrounding the church, were pushed off to the side too. They are now buried and broken, having been plowed into a working field. That's combined with not allowing anyone to examine old records (those of us who have asked, have been told we ought to "get a life" beyond the past). It ends up being very similar to your story. Pat On 5/18/07, Tate wrote: > > Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We > have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's > Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is > awful. > > I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I > found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At > least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for > our cemeteries. > What a paradox! > > Thanks so much, > > Pamela Tate > > Pat Williams wrote: I completely understand > your frustration, however, my understanding is that > this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of > the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the > people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. > > The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society > PO BOX 4228 > Kansas City, KS > 66104-0228 > > You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center > with > the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county > historian employed. > > http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html > info@wycokck.org > > Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I > have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many > old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks > Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. > > Good luck! > Patricia Williams > > On 5/15/07, Tate > wrote: > > > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common > place > > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic > Cemeteries > > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert > Chenoweth, > > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately > roadblocks > > our family efforts. > > > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish > records > > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on > St. > > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of > the > > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help > now, > > believe me. > > > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > > stone. > > > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > > > I have a question: > > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your > organization > > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the > scope > > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a > genealogist > > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it > gets. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Pamela Tate > > > > > > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > > Overland Park, KS 66212 > > 913.642.6935 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam, I have to share with you and everyone a comment that was made to me by a staff member at a huge cemetery which is just a few blocks west of St. John's. I was trying to help someone online find their family in this cemetery. The person there was nice and tried to help as much as possible but said "I really shouldn't be doing this without charging you. The owners don't want us to get involved in 'this genealogy business'. We're supposed to charge you a dollar for every page we copy because we just don't have time for this". Excuse me???????? I'm sure they don't have time for it but if that's the case, they need to turn their records over to someone, like me, that would gladly start the process of documenting everything online so Tate <ptated1@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is awful. I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for our cemeteries. What a paradox! Thanks so much, Pamela Tate Pat Williams wrote: I completely understand your frustration, however, my understanding is that this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: Wyandotte County Genealogy Society PO BOX 4228 Kansas City, KS 66104-0228 You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center with the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county historian employed. http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html info@wycokck.org Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. Good luck! Patricia Williams On 5/15/07, Tate wrote: > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common place > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic Cemeteries > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert Chenoweth, > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately roadblocks > our family efforts. > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish records > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on St. > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of the > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help now, > believe me. > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > stone. > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > I have a question: > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your organization > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the scope > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a genealogist > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it gets. > > Sincerely, > > Pamela Tate > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > Overland Park, KS 66212 > 913.642.6935 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam, I have to share with you and everyone a comment that was made to me by a staff member at a huge cemetery which is just a few blocks west of St. John's. I was trying to help someone online find their family in this cemetery. The person there was nice and tried to help as much as possible but said "I really shouldn't be doing this without charging you. The owners don't want us to get involved in 'this genealogy business'. We're supposed to charge you a dollar for every page we copy because we just don't have time for this". Excuse me???????? I'm sure they don't have time for it but if that's the case, they need to turn their records over to someone, like me, that would gladly start the process of documenting everything online so Tate <ptated1@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is awful. I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for our cemeteries. What a paradox! Thanks so much, Pamela Tate Pat Williams wrote: I completely understand your frustration, however, my understanding is that this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: Wyandotte County Genealogy Society PO BOX 4228 Kansas City, KS 66104-0228 You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center with the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county historian employed. http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html info@wycokck.org Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. Good luck! Patricia Williams On 5/15/07, Tate wrote: > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common place > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic Cemeteries > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert Chenoweth, > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately roadblocks > our family efforts. > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish records > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on St. > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of the > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help now, > believe me. > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > stone. > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > I have a question: > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your organization > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the scope > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a genealogist > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it gets. > > Sincerely, > > Pamela Tate > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > Overland Park, KS 66212 > 913.642.6935 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Louise, I live in Kansas City, Kansas and know of quite a few of the cemeteries in town. Everyone is right that not many of them have information on line. Some of them have been indexed and recorded by the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society in book form. Sadly, many of them are deserted and have been taken over by the Parks and Recreation Department, such as Woodlawn, Oak Grove, West Lawn, Mt. Hope and Quindaro. Woodlawn and Oak Grove are probably the closest to 10th and Central. Woodlawn is in better shape than Oak Grove but you should never go to either alone or after dark. My best guess for Alice's burial in 1905-1910 is probably Woodlawn or Oak Grove. If Amos didn't die until 1942, there were many cemeteries operating by that time that are still in business; Memorial Park, Mt. Calvary (primarily Catholic), Highland Park, Chapel Hill, just to name a few. All of those are huge cemeteries and cover acres and acres of land. I have the book for Mt. Hope Cemetery at 38th and Parallel and none of your family are buried there, so that one can be eliminated from your research. There is an Ethel Ferguson buried there that died in 1933 but I don't know if she remained single and if that date fits her timeline or not? The Wyandotte County Library does have volunteers that are very helpful and they'll do as much as they can, time permitting. I seem to recall that they have a death register for deaths occurring before 1911 when it was required that death certificates be on file in Topeka. I think it was somewhat alphabetical so they might be able to find Alice on there for you. Melissa LHawthorne@aol.com wrote: Hello... I've recently joined the List and am researching the family of Amos JENKINS (1861-1942). About 1897 he married Alice F. Robb Fergison. They had one child, Gladys. Alice had a daughter, Ethel Fergison. In 1905, they were living in Pct. 27 of the 5th Ward where Alice ran a market. The Post Office is listed as Kansas City (KS). Could someone on the List please tell me where this is. I would really appreciate the help. I think Alice may have died between 1905-1910 and need to know what cemeteries would be in that area. Thanks for any help. Louise ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a couple of other suggestions, but they're not especially "easy". There may be or have been a cemetery caretaker, hired mainly to dig graves and mow the grounds. If you can get a name from the cemetery director, these people sometimes have a lot "in their heads". I have even found that they sometimes kept their own records and once even got those records from a surviving daughter. If you can also unearth anyone in the parish who does genealogy, they may be your biggest help. Unfortunately, once the stones are gone......they're gone. My own horror story with an IA parish is that when the deserted church burned, the parish priest just sent in a caterpillar to push all the burned debris off to the side and into a farmer's field. Along with the debris, all of the oldest tombstones, closest to, and surrounding the church, were pushed off to the side too. They are now buried and broken, having been plowed into a working field. That's combined with not allowing anyone to examine old records (those of us who have asked, have been told we ought to "get a life" beyond the past). It ends up being very similar to your story. Pat On 5/18/07, Tate <ptated1@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Thanks so much for your interest, Pat. And, yes, this is frustrating. We > have more than forty members of our family buried at St. John's > Cemetery. We are losing headstones and the cemetery has no records...It is > awful. > > I thank you for you contact information. I will be in touch with them. I > found several books they have published on local cemeteries this week. At > least they are trying...Unlike those businesses that get paid to care for > our cemeteries. > What a paradox! > > Thanks so much, > > Pamela Tate > > Pat Williams <genealogistgrrl@gmail.com> wrote: I completely understand > your frustration, however, my understanding is that > this message board is exactly that. There is no guarantee that members of > the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society will see your post. Many of the > people who belong and post are from other states and outlying areas. > > The address of the Wyandotte County Genealogical Society is: > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society > PO BOX 4228 > Kansas City, KS > 66104-0228 > > You might also let the Wyandotte County Museum and genealogical center > with > the Trowbridge Library know about your problems. They have a county > historian employed. > > http://www.wycokck.org/gen/wyco_generated_pages/Historical_Museum_m386.html > info@wycokck.org > > Unfortunately, your findings at the Catholic Cemetery are not unusual. I > have the same issues in dealing with parishes in Iowa. There are also many > old cemeteries in Wyandotte County that are maintained by the Parks > Department and are being lost to vandalism and neglect. > > Good luck! > Patricia Williams > > On 5/15/07, Tate > wrote: > > > > For more than a year now my efforts to identify a grave with a missing > > headstone in our family plot has proven unproductive. > > > > I have found that the miserable state of cemetery records are common > place > > even in the Catholic Church. At St. John's Cemetery, Catholic > Cemeteries > > has no idea who is buried where...and the agency Director, Robert > Chenoweth, > > discourages the research efforts of his staff and deliberately > roadblocks > > our family efforts. > > > > The Archdiocese office has little time to attend such matters. Father > > Horvat of the parish office at St. Anthony's and St. Mary's parish > records > > has no burial records from St. Marys...though he has been most kind. So, > > Church records have not proven helpful either. > > > > I had all but given up hope when on a whim I decided to give the Kansas > > City Kansas Public Library a try. I found the most delightful book on > St. > > John's Cemetery written by Wyandotte County Genealogy Society...Wow. > > > > I wish to thank the incredible people of the Wyandotte County Genealogy > > Society for their generous work in helping to preserve our rapidly aging > > cemeteries. What irony to find the book was written with cooperation of > the > > former staff at Catholic Cemeteries. We certainly could use their help > now, > > believe me. > > > > With the stone missing and all evidence of records missing, too...our > > family member may not be found now that Catholic Cemeteries has lost the > > stone. > > > > I am anxious to see if the evidence from the book will prove beneficial. > > At least we have a chance now thanks to your organization! > > > > I have a question: > > Has any work been completed indexing St. John's burial plot/grave > > maps? And if so, do they index individual grave records? > > > > In closing, I have a wish for your website. Wyandotte County has many > > exciting historical cemeteries. It would be wonderful if your > organization > > could present your incredible volume of work online. In this way the > scope > > of your hard work could make far more impact on human lives. > > > > Please do relay my deepest thanks to the hard working members of the > > Wyandotte County Genealogy Society. As someone who has been a > genealogist > > for more than thirty years myself, my appreciation is as real as it > gets. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Pamela Tate > > > > > > > > > > Tate Dunham Design Studios > > > > 9257 Lowell Ave. > > Overland Park, KS 66212 > > 913.642.6935 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KSWYANDO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >