This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/12.7.13.1.1 Message Board Post: No additonal information to relate. Sorry.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Cm.2ADI/12.7.13.1 Message Board Post: Roger- Have you found any more information on the two names (Howland/Hendricks)? I haven't seen any more postings from you. Please advise. ec.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DENTON, SPATZ Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Cm.2ADI/66 Message Board Post: I'm looking for informationabout Elsa M. "Elsie" Denton. She was born in IN in June of 1874 and died in Beloit, Mitchell co., KS in 1946. Her father was born in Indiana and her mother in OH. She married Benjamin Franklin Spatz in Jewell Co., KS in 1892. They had 8 children: Florence "Flossie", Mildred, Robert, Anna Belle, Agnes, Benjamin Jr. "Bennie", Hester and Verna. Any information regarding Elsa and her family, especially the identity of her parents and siblings, would be deeply appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/65 Message Board Post: looking for info on Cyrus & Evalina Petry faamily - their son Virgil Jay is my father. He had a sister Beulah, brothers Ernest & Mahlon. Any info would be most appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/64 Message Board Post: I am compiling information for a book on African-American world war veterans and would like to conduct interviews with those (vets and their families) willing to share their experiences. Please contact Lisa Daniels at (866)206-9066, ext. 6672 or e-mail me at sweetiepiepress@yahoo.com Thank you for your participation.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Simpson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Cm.2ADI/63 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information regarding my gg-grandfather Jefferson SIMPSON born in Aug. 1869 in IL. He died sometime after between 1921-71 in Fergus Co., MT. His parents were both born in OH. He was married twice. First in 1891-2 to Elizabeth who was born either in IL or NE in June 1875. Her parents were both born in England. She died around 1904-5, probably in NE. They had 4 children: 1 Elmer Jefferson SIMPSON b.NE June 8, 1894 d.Auburn, WA Dec 1970 m.1915-6 Beloit, Mitchell Co., KS Florence "Flossie" E. SPATZ b.KS Jan 10, 1894 d.WA May 1990. Their children were Kenneth (my grandfather), Warren and Mary Elizabeth. All were born just outside of Beloit, KS. The family later moved to OR and WA . 2. Mary Elizabeth SIMPSON b.NE Dec 1896 d.post 1955 She is listed as living with her father in Fergus Co., MT in the 1920 census. She was apparently working as a school teacher. 3 Alice E. SIMPSON b.NE Aug 1899 d.? She too was living with her father in 1920. 4. Ralph SIMPSON b.NE 1902 d? He was also living his father in 1920 in MT. Jefferson remarried in 1905-6 to a Cecelia "Celia" D. b.NE 4/12/1879 d.Moore, Fergus, MT Dec 1971. Her Father was born in OH and her mother in W. Virginia. Jefferson and Elizabeth were living in Buffalo Co., NE in 1900. Jefferson apparently moved to IA around the time of his second marriage or perhaps shortly before. He then moved again to Jewell Co., KS 2 years later. They he moved to MO around 1914, and finally, to MT between 1917 and 1920. He and Celia had 4 sons all listed living with Celia and Jefferson in MT in 1920: 5 Ira SIMPSON b.IA 1906-7 d.? 6. Dow SIMPSON b.Prarie Twp., Jewell Co., KS 11/9/1909 d.Moore, Fergus Co., MT 10/10/1986 (He may have been married to a Catherine L. b.3/11/1903 d.Moore, Fergus Co., MT 3/11/1990) 7 Samuel "Sam" SIMPSON b.KS 1913 d.? 8 Wayne SIMPSON b.MO Mar/Apr 1916 d.? Any information anyone might be able to provide me with regarding Jefferson, his ancestors, either of his two wives and their children would be deeply appeciated. Dawn Please Email me at Nadyamarkova@earthlink.net

I have the Mitchell County cemetery books that I looked through briefly this morning, and saw a few Spatz, Bourbon & Clark names there, but I will look better next week. I may have seen a couple of names that may be helpful to you of the Spatz name. You can e-mail me later @ Leona Adams

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SPATZ, SPOTZ, SIMPSON, CLARK, BOURBON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/62 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information regarding my grandfather Benjamin Franklin SPATZ Sr. He was born in PA in 1868-69 and died, probably in Beloit, Mitchell Co., KS between 1955-65. His parents were both born in PA. I have no more information regarding them. Benjamin married a woman named Elizabeth sometime between 1890-1893. She was born in 1874-75 in Indiana. Her father was born in Indiana. Her mother was born in OH. The family changed their name from SPATZ to SPOTZ around WWI then changed it back in the 1940's or 50's. I have nothing else on him directly until the 1920 census. Where he is listed as Benjamin F. Spotz (Sr.) 51 b in PA. His wife is Elizabeth "Eliza" 45 born in IN. They were living in Plum Creek, nr. Beloit, Mitchell Co., KS in 1920 with their 7 youngest children. They had at least 8 children. Of the 8 whose names I know, my great-grandmother Florence "Flossie" Elizabeth SPATZ was the eldest. Florence SPATZ mar.abt.1916 Elmer Jefferson SIMPSON b.Nebraska June 8, 1894 d.WA Dec 1968. (His parents were from Illinois and Nebraska) 1Kenneth b.Feb 16, 1917 d.2001 (my grandfather) 2Warren b.1920 d.1991 3Mary b.1923 d.1999. Mildred B. SPATZ b.KS ca.1897 Robert J. SPATZ b.KS 4/24/1898 d.Anaheim, Orange Co., CA 11/11/1976 Anna B. SPATZ b.KS ca.10/29/1899 d.Beloit, Mitchell CO., KA 10/6/1993 mar. Oliver BOURBON b.10/15/1893 d.Nov 1976 Agnes M. SPATZ b.KS 9/4/1908 d.Oregon City, Clackamas Co., OR 7/2/1999 mar. Henry CLARK b.ca. 1909 They had a son named Robert born in KS around 1936. Benjamin F. SPATZ Jr. "Bennie" b.KS 8/16/1913 d.Beloit, Mitchell Co, KS 5/10/2001 mar. Geneva ---? b.7/27/1918 d.Beloit, Mitchell Co., KS July 1983 Hester F. SPATZ b.KS ca. 1916 Verna M. SPATZ b.KS 8/27/1917 d.Portland, OR 4/22/1999 mar 1941-2 Mr. NUGENT (killed in action during WII.) They had a son Ronald NUGENT born in 1943. This is all I have on Benjamin's family. Any information regarding Benjamin or his family would be deeply appeciated.

Were there _any_ resident African-Americans in Mitchell county? I remember only families of German and English/Irish/Scots descent. (perhaps there were a few exceptions, but I think there were very, very few Italian-Americans --I recall an Arrighi family-- and no African-Americans. I do not believe this is a case of a white American's prejudice-based forgetfulness, but an actual fact that there were neither black farmers nor black merchants --nor, for that matter, black poverty-- in Mitchell county. But it is time to check and correct my memory, if it is mistaken. In a message dated 6/19/2002 1:02:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KSMITCHE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: 16 Jun 2002 21:41:22 -0600 > From: sweetiepiepress@yahoo.com > To: KSMITCHE-L@rootsweb.com > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/61 > > Message Board Post: > > I am compiling information for a book on African-American world war > veterans and would like to > conduct interviews with those (vets and their families) willing to share > their experiences. > Please contact Lisa Daniels at (866)206-9066, ext. 6672 or e-mail me at > sweetiepiepress@yahoo.com > Thank you for your participation. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/61 Message Board Post: I am compiling information for a book on African-American world war veterans and would like to conduct interviews with those (vets and their families) willing to share their experiences. Please contact Lisa Daniels at (866)206-9066, ext. 6672 or e-mail me at sweetiepiepress@yahoo.com Thank you for your participation.

If you could indicate the approximate location of YOKE family members, I would look through one or two townships of the plat maps for 1902 and 1917. (I think those are the years I have.) - Please give a milage measurement from one of the towns or a known township. - Please provide the given name(s) of the likely deed holder(s). Have you checked the following LDS films and fiches concerning the county? 182804 Item 15 Brown's Creek Cemetery (Mitchell County, Kansas) 6010654 through 6010657 (fiches) Mitchell County cemeteries 6125665 - 1902 atlas index 6125916 - 1884 tax roll Mitchell Co. Kansas 6038409 - 1890 tax roll index 1320673 Item 3 - Index to Mitchell County, Kansas marriages Thomas Kohn >>> "gayle" <tanninbum@cell2000.net> 21 May 2002 9:30 PM >>> I would appreciate some help from anyone in the Mitchell County area. I would like to know if there are any Yoke's listed, possibly in cemetary records or anywhere else between 1906-1920. I know this is a vague request, but I can't seem to find my ggrandmother listed there. I know she lived there when Bertie Long married Elmer Yoke in 1904 and when my grandmother was born in 1906. I believe she died when my grandmother was a little girl. Elmer married Mattie Walker in 1920, so I believe she had died by then. If anyone can help, I would surely appreciate it. Gayle tanninbum@cell2000.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GREEN< YORK< BARTLETT<BETHEL MAINE<Nebraska < BELOIT< KANSAS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cm.2ADI/60 Message Board Post: Would Anyone who knows of a GREEN family that Came from Maine, lived in Illinois, then Nebraska and then to Mitchell County Kansas they had a daughter Stella who was born in Mitchell county in 1890. She was living with an Aunt Elizabeth (nee? Green) YORK in 1900 in Hutcheinson, Reno county, Kansas. Also Need someone who knows about the cemeteries in Beloit area.

I would appreciate some help from anyone in the Mitchell County area. I would like to know if there are any Yoke's listed, possibly in cemetary records or anywhere else between 1906-1920. I know this is a vague request, but I can't seem to find my ggrandmother listed there. I know she lived there when Bertie Long married Elmer Yoke in 1904 and when my grandmother was born in 1906. I believe she died when my grandmother was a little girl. Elmer married Mattie Walker in 1920, so I believe she had died by then. If anyone can help, I would surely appreciate it. Gayle tanninbum@cell2000.net

Dear Gayle, Is there any chance that Bertie LONG is related to the Long families of Norton county? Adolph LONG (abt 1890 to abt 1955) of Norton county was married to ? POOL, a daughter of Samuel POOL. They had at least five children: Nora A., Francis, Marion, Ernest, and Andrew I. Several of his children (at least Nora A. LONG-DENEKE (1917-) and Andrew I. LONG (1907-1999)) married and moved to the Beloit area. [Nora and her husband Peter DENEKE are my aunt and uncle.] Another aunt of mine was a LONG: Anna Margaret LONG (1909-1981) m. est 1933 Nicholas Frank KOHN (1904-1993). They lived in Jewell county and Riley county. Her parents were Edward LONG and Margaret M. MILLER (1880-1971). Edward was also from Norton county, I believe, and his parents were Gregory LONG and Anna Marihart. The children of Edward and Margaret LONG included Anna Margaret, Mary Elizabeth [POOLE], John Henry, Joseph, Catherine [POOLE], and Ernie [POOLE]. [I am not clear about how the name POOLE came to be associated with these children; the information came in a mixed-up way from a cousin, a daughter of Anna LONG and Nicholas KOHN.] I believe the two sets of Longs were related, but I do not know how. Sorry that the information is so spotty and only possibly related to yours. Thomas Kohn >>> "gayle" <tanninbum@cell2000.net> 13 May 2002 11:48 PM >>> Hi all, Hoping someone out there is in Mitchell County and can help me out. I am trying to find the death date of my ggrandmother Bertie Long Yoke. Bertie Long married Elmer Yoke on 9-11-1904 in Mitchell County, KS. They had my grandmother, Rose Belle Yoke on 10-2-1906 in Mitchell Co. I believe Bertie must have died between 1915 - 1919, (in Mitchell Co.) because Elmer Yoke remarried Mattie Walker in January of 1920. If anyone can help me with this, I'd be reallllllly greatful!!!!!!! Thanks, Gayle tanninbum@cell2000.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mitchell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Cm.2ADI/43.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: thank you so much jeane for your reply.i'll be waiting to hear from you again if you should want to e-mail me feel free to stacy1949@hotmail.com i have found that my grandfather had 2 brothers albert and ralph. its my understanding that albert had a photography studio in topeka.had to be in the 20's or so.if you find out anything please write .thank you stacy mitchell ryan

Hi all, Hoping someone out there is in Mitchell County and can help me out. I am trying to find the death date of my ggrandmother Bertie Long Yoke. Bertie Long married Elmer Yoke on 9-11-1904 in Mitchell County, KS. They had my grandmother, Rose Belle Yoke on 10-2-1906 in Mitchell Co. I believe Bertie must have died between 1915 - 1919, (in Mitchell Co.) because Elmer Yoke remarried Mattie Walker in January of 1920. If anyone can help me with this, I'd be reallllllly greatful!!!!!!! Thanks, Gayle tanninbum@cell2000.net

Thanks, Mary Lee. I have seen the book, and I have a lousy (fourth-generation) photocopy of it. It has a few errors, but it is indeed loaded with good leads. Since it is at best second-hand reporting, I use it as a basis for searching out primary sources. A similar book is "They Also Came" for secondary-source information about Osborne county. I have only seen a few pages from it so far, and it offers a few plat maps as well as stories of pioneer inhabitants of the area. I just recently found a very interesting primary-source document from one of the early Osborne county pioneers : _Sod-House_Days_ by Howard Ruede (1855-1924) (ed. John Ise, publ University Press of Kansas, 1983; ISBN 0-7006-0234-8. 248 pp.) This is 1 1/2 years of journal entries and revised newspaper columns written in the period 1877 to 1878. Ruede lived about 15 miles from Osborne, in a series of sod houses in the Kill Creek township. He wrote for the "Osborne County Farmer" at times, and this account benefits from his mix of the journalist's background and the farmer's homey language. Another contemporary account is _Went_to_Kansas_ by Miriam Davis Colt (1817-?) (Ann Arbor [Mich.] University Microfilms [c1966] ), also a journal of a woman's travel in 1862 with her husband to settle in the Kansas Territory, only to see her husband slowly grow more and more ill on the way. She buries him in Kansas and returns to her original home in New York. The book is also available online at http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/kancoll/books/colt/. The Kansas Collection of the University of Kansas is home to more than 50 similar books online at http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/kancoll/books/. Tom Kohn >>> <MDewald62@aol.com> 9 May 2002 10:08 PM >>> Have you seen the small paperback book entitled "Early Day Couples of Tipton, Kansas" put together in 1975 for the town's centennial by Warren J Lingg, Box 72, Cawker City, KS 67430.? It mentions your great grandfather moving to LaCrosse in 1880 in a covered wagon when Mike Kohn was one yr old and his brother, Pete. When he was eight, his father moved back to Tipton when his wife died (1887) with the four children where they were cared for by Aunt Mary Reinert Gillon and the Grandmother Reinert. It also describes the weddings (photo of each couple) of each of these children and tells of their children as well. You may already know all of these bits of info but if you are interested in knowing more, let me know. It is a fascinating little book. Sincerely, Mary Lee DeWald

Surnames: Kohn, Reinert, Blasius, Dahm, Simeon, Schwinden, Gillen, Schandeler, Ottley, Gasper, Streit Classification: Immigration Good morning, Thomas The name Gasper caught my eye as I too have that name in connection with the Klein & Koster names I am researching. This is all I have on this line and of course would like to add more. 1. Tony Gasper He married Leona Catherine Koster. She was the daughter of Peter J. "PJ" Koster and Adella Elizabeth "Della" Klein. Notes for Tony Gasper: They llved at Tipton, KS Thank you Jo kesterjo@earthlink.net

Re: KOHN families in La Crosse WI and Tipton KS All this information may seem a jumble at first. The full story is fairly complex. I have been planning a visit to LaCrosse WI, where my great grandfather John M Kohn lived for about 6 years, until his wife Susanna Reinert-Kohn died of heat stroke in August 1887. And a visit to nearby Caledonia MN, where his parents-in-law, John Reinert and Catharina Blasius, lived a few years, approximately 1865 to 1871 or 1872, when they settled in Kansas. As part of the preparation, I have been in touch with the 2nd granddaughter of another Kohn family who lived in LaCrosse the same time our ancestors did, Cindy Bistodeau, who assisted in the development of information in of this e-mail. I recently found information that casts doubt on the birth date I had for the Mathias Kohn who also lived in LaCrosse WI at the same time our John M Kohn lived there. That birth date of Mathias' that was thrown in doubt was acquired through an online source, the Ancestral File of the LDS (the Latter Day Saints,the Mormons). The doubtful information was submitted by SIDNEY D. & GWEN E. ROBB, whose contact address is given by the online Ancestral File Submission AF93-109983. The information I received that casts doubt on the Ancestral File is a just-available online listing of about 1/3 of the burial plots in the Catholic Cemetery of LaCrosse WI. The URL referred to (far) below has the following result for a search on KOHN in the cemetery: Showing entries 1- 10 of 12 Name Birth Date Death Date Cemetery Section Lot Gravesite Note Charlotte D. Kohn 11/20/1881 12/30/1958 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Clara Kohn 05/21/1874 01/03/1932 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Della M. Kohn 11/14/1883 08/06/1966 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Frank Kohn 06/06/1868 09/10/1920 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Herman J. Kohn 08/24/1879 08/18/1922 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Joseph Kohn 03/25/1886 11/11/1886 Catholic Cemetery 003 48 Sohn von J. M. & S. Josephine Kohn 11/04/1877 11/02/1962 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Josephine Kohn 06/08/1844 02/10/1918 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mother Katherine Kohn 09/18/1866 12/25/1949 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mathias Kohn Jr. 03/03/1870 03/10/1899 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mathias Kohn 08/15/1829 10/15/1888 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Father Susanna Kohn 01/08/1848 08/04/1887 Catholic Cemetery 003 48 I believe Cindy Bistodeau can verify that all but the entries for Joseph Kohn and Susanna Kohn, are from her family. Susanna Kohn is from my family, the wife of John M, who died of heat stroke. Joseph Kohn is their son. The significant change for my data -and for the correction to the LDS Ancestral File- is the birthdate of Mathias Kohn, listed just before Susanna. My information from the Ancestral File said that this Mathias Kohn, of LaCrosse and married to Josephine Becker, was born in 1840 in "Wasserhisch Germany" and that he died in 1890 in LaCrosse WI. Thus, it was wrong on both the birth and death dates, although the name of the town was reasonably close for an American amateur genealogist. Before this correction, I had tentatively matched this Mathias Kohn born in Wasserhisch in 1840 to a Joannes Matthias Kohn born in Wasserliesch on 2 Mar 1840 to a single parent, Margarethe Kohn, of Oberbillig, which lies only a short distance from Wasserliesch. I had not researched Margarethe's parentage, and assumed that eventually I might prove her to be related to our line. I had tentatively guessed that the son of Margarethe Kohn might have been the husband of Josephine Becker in LaCrosse, based on the similar birth dates and locations. I now believe now that the corrected birth date for Mathias Kohn proves that the Mathias Kohn of LaCrosse is not the same person as Joannes Matthias Kohn, the son of Margarethe. Thus, this warranted unlinking from Josephine Becker of LaCrosse the possible husband Joannes Matthias Kohn (b 2 Mar 1840, Wasserliesch) son of Margarethe Kohn from Oberbillig. They are not the same person. As documented in the cemetery, the actual husband to Josephine Becker, an other Mathias Kohn, was born 15 Aug 1829. According to the Kirchenbuch of Wasserliesch, Kreis Saarburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, Mathias Kohn, a brother to my great grandfather, John M Kohn, was born to Johann Mattias Kohn and Catharina Dahm before 16 Aug 1829 and baptized on 16 August 1829. (Kirchenbuch Wasserliesch 1752-1845 (FHC Film 0559037). Film Item 4: Taufregister, Heiratsregister, Sterberegister 1820-1845; volume 2; Pfarrei Wasserliesch, Dekonat Konz, Kreis Saarburg, Bezirk Trier, Rheinland-Pfalz. Baptismus von 1820.12.17 bis 1845.12.24 [pp. 1-68]; Sacramentum Copulati 1821.01.23 bis 1835.12.24 [pp.69-92; Sepulture 1820.11.30 bis 1845.11.16 [pp. 93-131]. Teil 4, Seite 24: "Decima sexta renatus est 22 Mathias Filius legitimus Joannis Mathia Kohn agricola et Catharina Dahm conjugum ex Waßerliesrsch; levantibus Mattia Hoffmann ex Waßerliesch et Christina Kohn nata Sturm ex Mola Superiori Albachensi.") I had found no subsequent death in Wasserliesch for him, and I supposed that he might have married and settled in some other nearby German town. He could just as well have emigrated to America. He did not apply for emigration, apparently, for he is not listed in the Mergen text, "Amerika-Auswanderungen aus den Regierungsbezirken Bitburg und Trier im 19. Jahrhundert" (Emigrations to America out of the Governmental Districts of Bitburg and Trier During the Nineteenth Century, available as an LDS microfilm, 023839). Although his emigration is not proven, Mergen does list the 3 brothers Johann Matthias (applied 30 Jun 1865), Johann (applied 19 Apr 1866), and Michael (applied 17 Jun 1871) as applicants for emigration. These brothers are children of Johann Mattias Kohn and Catharina Dahm. Two of the earlier brothers' emigration applications corroborate that a brother had emigrated before them. Thus it is possible, perhaps even probable, that a Kohn brother had left first and that three brothers then followed. The Johann Matthias Kohn and Catharina Dahm marriage, my 2nd great grandparents, had 10 children, of whom 3 were girls (Barbara, Maria, and Catharina), and of the 7 boys, 2 apparently died in infancy. The remaining boys were Peter (b1825), Nicholas (b1827), Mathias (b1829), Joannes (b1834), and Johann Mathias (b1839). The only possible first departures for the emigrés would have been either Peter or Mathias. I do not have evidence that proves one had remained in Germany, nor do I have evidence that either certainly had emigrated, as the 3 known applicants could very well have fibbed about having a brother already over there in the Promised Land, hoping that such information would make the official more willing to permit their emigrations. The three applications for emigration occurred over a period of six years, and the first two applications raised the number of brothers already in America from one (Johann Mathias -our John M Kohn- said on 30 Jun 1865 that "er einen Bruder dort ansaessig habe [has a brother residing there] und besser fortzukommen gedenke") to two (Johann said on 19 Apr 1866 that "er bereits 2 Brueder dort habe [already has 2 brothers there] und glaube, besser fortzukommen"). But the trail of logic misses a beat with the application of Michael on 17 Jun 1871, who says that he "hat einen Bruder [has _one_ brother] in Amerika." Perhaps two of the three brothers had died? This is a topic for futher research, and perhaps it must be laid aside until we find all the immigrated brothers. It is probable that my great grandfather John M Kohn is related to the Mathias Kohn who lived in LaCrosse WI for some time. For that Mathias Kohn was documented in a secondary source (his tombstone) as having a birth date that may coincide with a known brother to our John M Kohn. That brother was also named Mathias. If we find an independent source that says the Mathias Kohn of LaCrosse came from the Trier area before June 1865, the evidence may be conclusive. Perhaps we can find other evidence that makes us more certain of this hypothesis. Perhaps the early records of the LaCrosse Catholic churches may give a clue, or perhaps the land records for 115 S 19th, the La Crosse residence of John M Kohn, or for Mathias' tavern at 111 N 3rd Street may provide clues, or perhaps contemporary newspapers (Der Nord Stern and at least one English-language newpaper existed then in La Crosse). In my visit to La Crosse, I will be researching these possibilties and others. Perhaps other Kohn researchers or La Crosse researchers have information to corroborate? Thomas G Kohn Dayton OH >>> archives <archives@lacrosse.lib.wi.us> 23 April 2002 9:18 AM >>> Bob Selbrede forwarded your message onto us at the La Crosse Public Library Archives & Local History area. The volunteers from the La Crosse Area Genealogical Society have been walking the Catholic Cemetery and so far the older sections have been completed ("old", infant 1 & 2, sections 1-8 (part of section 8). We need more volunteers to get it done and have a work day planned May 28. The parts that have been completed and have been entered in our database: http://lacrosselibrary.org/genealogy with which you may already be familiar. We print out a list in alphabetical order every so often for use in the room. If you'd like a hard copy I could send you a print out ($20 for copying time & postage) or export it as a file and attach it to an email message. To date it is 182 pages (about 1/3 of the cemetery). This file represents tombstones, so those without stones or missing stones would obviously not be included. The genealogy society and library first approached the cemetery about extracting data from their records, but the Catholic Cemetery Assoc. denied our request. The caretaker (in charge of the records) can be reached at: Catholic Cemetery, 519 Losey Blvd. So., La Crosse, WI 54601. The Mormons microfilmed the Catholic Cemetery records from 1883-1935 so this might be another avenue for you. Anita Doering Archivist > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Kohn" <tkohn@scitexdpi.com> > To: <bobselbrede@charter.net> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 03:04 PM > Subject: Reference to a listing for the Catholic Cemetery? > > > I appreciate your work in listing the 6 cemeteries of the LaCrosse > > area. at http://webpages.charter.net/laxcounty/indexu.htm Do you know if a hard copy listing exists for the Catholic > > Cemetery? > > > > Thomas Kohn > > researching the John M Kohn family who resided in LaCrosse > > 1881-1887/8. -- Archives & Local History La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7136 archives@lacrosse.lib.wi.us La Crosse area genealogy databases: http://lacrosselibrary.org/genealogy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kohn, Reinert, Blasius, Dahm, Simeon, Schwinden, Gillen, Schandeler, Ottley, Gasper, Streit Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Cm.2ADI/59 Message Board Post: Re: KOHN families in La Crosse WI and Tipton KS All this information may seem a jumble at first. The full story is fairly complex. I have been planning a visit to LaCrosse WI, where my great grandfather John M Kohn lived for about 6 years, until his wife Susanna Reinert-Kohn died of heat stroke in August 1887. And a visit to nearby Caledonia MN, where his parents-in-law, John Reinert and Catharina Blasius, lived a few years, approximately 1865 to 1871 or 1872, when they settled in Kansas. As part of the preparation, I have been in touch with the 2nd granddaughter of another Kohn family who lived in LaCrosse the same time our ancestors did, Cindy Bistodeau, who assisted in the development of information in of this e-mail. I recently found information that casts doubt on the birth date I had for the Mathias Kohn who also lived in LaCrosse WI at the same time our John M Kohn lived there. That birth date of Mathias' that was thrown in doubt was acquired through an online source, the Ancestral File of the LDS (the Latter Day Saints,the Mormons). The doubtful information was submitted by SIDNEY D. & GWEN E. ROBB, whose contact address is given by the online Ancestral File Submission AF93-109983. The information I received that casts doubt on the Ancestral File is a just-available online listing of about 1/3 of the burial plots in the Catholic Cemetery of LaCrosse WI. The URL referred to (far) below has the following result for a search on KOHN in the cemetery: Showing entries 1- 10 of 12 Name Birth Date Death Date Cemetery Section Lot Gravesite Note Charlotte D. Kohn 11/20/1881 12/30/1958 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Clara Kohn 05/21/1874 01/03/1932 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Della M. Kohn 11/14/1883 08/06/1966 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Frank Kohn 06/06/1868 09/10/1920 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Herman J. Kohn 08/24/1879 08/18/1922 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Joseph Kohn 03/25/1886 11/11/1886 Catholic Cemetery 003 48 Sohn von J. M. & S. Josephine Kohn 11/04/1877 11/02/1962 Catholic Cemetery 006 63 Josephine Kohn 06/08/1844 02/10/1918 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mother Katherine Kohn 09/18/1866 12/25/1949 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mathias Kohn Jr. 03/03/1870 03/10/1899 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Mathias Kohn 08/15/1829 10/15/1888 Catholic Cemetery 004 64 Father Susanna Kohn 01/08/1848 08/04/1887 Catholic Cemetery 003 48 I believe Cindy Bistodeau can verify that all but the entries for Joseph Kohn and Susanna Kohn, are from her family. Susanna Kohn is from my family, the wife of John M, who died of heat stroke. Joseph Kohn is their son. The significant change for my data -and for the correction to the LDS Ancestral File- is the birthdate of Mathias Kohn, listed just before Susanna. My information from the Ancestral File said that this Mathias Kohn, of LaCrosse and married to Josephine Becker, was born in 1840 in "Wasserhisch Germany" and that he died in 1890 in LaCrosse WI. Thus, it was wrong on both the birth and death dates, although the name of the town was reasonably close for an American amateur genealogist. Before this correction, I had tentatively matched this Mathias Kohn born in Wasserhisch in 1840 to a Joannes Matthias Kohn born in Wasserliesch on 2 Mar 1840 to a single parent, Margarethe Kohn, of Oberbillig, which lies only a short distance from Wasserliesch. I had not researched Margarethe's parentage, and assumed that eventually I might prove her to be related to our line. I had tentatively guessed that the son of Margarethe Kohn might have been the husband of Josephine Becker in LaCrosse, based on the similar birth dates and locations. I now believe now that the corrected birth date for Mathias Kohn proves that the Mathias Kohn of LaCrosse is not the same person as Joannes Matthias Kohn, the son of Margarethe. Thus, this warranted unlinking from Josephine Becker of LaCrosse the possible husband Joannes Matthias Kohn (b 2 Mar 1840, Wasserliesch) son of Margarethe Kohn from Oberbillig. They are not the same person. As documented in the cemetery, the actual husband to Josephine Becker, an other Mathias Kohn, was born 15 Aug 1829. According to the Kirchenbuch of Wasserliesch, Kreis Saarburg, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, Mathias Kohn, a brother to my great grandfather, John M Kohn, was born to Johann Mattias Kohn and Catharina Dahm before 16 Aug 1829 and baptized on 16 August 1829. (Kirchenbuch Wasserliesch 1752-1845 (FHC Film 0559037). Film Item 4: Taufregister, Heiratsregister, Sterberegister 1820-1845; volume 2; Pfarrei Wasserliesch, Dekonat Konz, Kreis Saarburg, Bezirk Trier, Rheinland-Pfalz. Baptismus von 1820.12.17 bis 1845.12.24 [pp. 1-68]; Sacramentum Copulati 1821.01.23 bis 1835.12.24 [pp.69-92; Sepulture 1820.11.30 bis 1845.11.16 [pp. 93-131]. Teil 4, Seite 24: "Decima sexta renatus est 22 Mathias Filius legitimus Joannis Mathia Kohn agricola et Catharina Dahm conjugum ex Waßerliesrsch; levantibus Mattia Hoffmann ex Waßerliesch et Christina Kohn nata Sturm ex Mola Superiori Albachensi.") I had found no subsequent death in Wasserliesch for him, and I supposed that he might have married and settled in some other nearby German town. He could just as well have emigrated to America. He did not apply for emigration, apparently, for he is not listed in the Mergen text, "Amerika-Auswanderungen aus den Regierungsbezirken Bitburg und Trier im 19. Jahrhundert" (Emigrations to America out of the Governmental Districts of Bitburg and Trier During the Nineteenth Century, available as an LDS microfilm, 023839). Although his emigration is not proven, Mergen does list the 3 brothers Johann Matthias (applied 30 Jun 1865), Johann (applied 19 Apr 1866), and Michael (applied 17 Jun 1871) as applicants for emigration. These brothers are children of Johann Mattias Kohn and Catharina Dahm. Two of the earlier brothers' emigration applications corroborate that a brother had emigrated before them. Thus it is possible, perhaps even probable, that a Kohn brother had left first and that ! three brothers then followed. The Johann Matthias Kohn and Catharina Dahm marriage, my 2nd great grandparents, had 10 children, of whom 3 were girls (Barbara, Maria, and Catharina), and of the 7 boys, 2 apparently died in infancy. The remaining boys were Peter (b1825), Nicholas (b1827), Mathias (b1829), Joannes (b1834), and Johann Mathias (b1839). The only possible first departures for the emigrés would have been either Peter or Mathias. I do not have evidence that proves one had remained in Germany, nor do I have evidence that either certainly had emigrated, as the 3 known applicants could very well have fibbed about having a brother already over there in the Promised Land, hoping that such information would make the official more willing to permit their emigrations. The three applications for emigration occurred over a period of six years, and the first two applications raised the number of brothers already in America from one (Johann Mathias -our John M Kohn- said on 30 Jun 1865 that "er einen Bruder dort ansaessig habe [has a brother residing there] und besser fortzukommen gedenke") to two (Johann said on 19 Apr 1866 that "er bereits 2 Brueder dort habe [already has 2 brothers there] und glaube, besser fortzukommen"). But the trail of logic misses a beat with the application of Michael on 17 Jun 1871, who says that he "hat einen Bruder [has _one_ brother] in Amerika." Perhaps two of the three brothers had died? This is a topic for futher research, and perhaps it must be laid aside until we find all the immigrated brothers. It is probable that my great grandfather John M Kohn is related to the Mathias Kohn who lived in LaCrosse WI for some time. For that Mathias Kohn was documented in a secondary source (his tombstone) as having a birth date that may coincide with a known brother to our John M Kohn. That brother was also named Mathias. If we find an independent source that says the Mathias Kohn of LaCrosse came from the Trier area before June 1865, the evidence may be conclusive. Perhaps we can find other evidence that makes us more certain of this hypothesis. Perhaps the early records of the LaCrosse Catholic churches may give a clue, or perhaps the land records for 115 S 19th, the La Crosse residence of John M Kohn, or for Mathias' tavern at 111 N 3rd Street may provide clues, or perhaps contemporary newspapers (Der Nord Stern and at least one English-language newpaper existed then in La Crosse). In my visit to La Crosse, I will be researching these possibilties and others. Perhaps other Kohn researchers or La Crosse researchers have information to corroborate? Thomas G Kohn Dayton OH >>> archives <archives@lacrosse.lib.wi.us> 23 April 2002 9:18 AM >>> Bob Selbrede forwarded your message onto us at the La Crosse Public Library Archives & Local History area. The volunteers from the La Crosse Area Genealogical Society have been walking the Catholic Cemetery and so far the older sections have been completed ("old", infant 1 & 2, sections 1-8 (part of section 8). We need more volunteers to get it done and have a work day planned May 28. The parts that have been completed and have been entered in our database: http://lacrosselibrary.org/genealogy with which you may already be familiar. We print out a list in alphabetical order every so often for use in the room. If you'd like a hard copy I could send you a print out ($20 for copying time & postage) or export it as a file and attach it to an email message. To date it is 182 pages (about 1/3 of the cemetery). This file represents tombstones, so those without stones or missing stones would obviously not be included. The genealogy society and library first approached the cemetery about extracting data from their records, but the Catholic Cemetery Assoc. denied our request. The caretaker (in charge of the records) can be reached at: Catholic Cemetery, 519 Losey Blvd. So., La Crosse, WI 54601. The Mormons microfilmed the Catholic Cemetery records from 1883-1935 so this might be another avenue for you. Anita Doering Archivist > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Kohn" <tkohn@scitexdpi.com> > To: <bobselbrede@charter.net> > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 03:04 PM > Subject: Reference to a listing for the Catholic Cemetery? > > > I appreciate your work in listing the 6 cemeteries of the LaCrosse > > area. at http://webpages.charter.net/laxcounty/indexu.htm Do you know if a hard copy listing exists for the Catholic > > Cemetery? > > > > Thomas Kohn > > researching the John M Kohn family who resided in LaCrosse > > 1881-1887/8. -- Archives & Local History La Crosse Public Library 800 Main St. La Crosse, WI 54601-4122 (608) 789-7136 archives@lacrosse.lib.wi.us La Crosse area genealogy databases: http://lacrosselibrary.org/genealogy