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It could be important but I've seen several instances where there were mistakes in the censuses. So just havng a different middle initial could mean nothing (and you have the right family esp. if everything else matches). Just remember that census data is good but it's not perfect nor does it really "prove" anything.

Wayne, yes the initial "P" is important, but did you notice that the Vermillion KS household includes that Henry's FATHER, and his name is BENJAMIN. Wayne Smith <chessman52@hotmail.com> wrote:But being the middle initial different throws it all out the window and back to square 1. ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Hi Again Mary Well that beats all- Went to LDS earlier- searched Henrys son Paul. Names were all different. but all the dates matched mine to months Henry there was Henry Lewis born 55/ but said Bloomington IL the Mary was not Mary E.Kious but a Mary Ann NYFELER her dates match the dates of my 1900 census also. Paul was Paul Ariel Smith. correct birth date to mine. But being the middle initial different throws it all out the window and back to square 1. Would that be your take. Its bad enough to have to search smiths but then errored entries.humm I will keep your kind efforts. All kinds of cogs in the works- got probate of gg grandfather listed as heir is someone not listed with household any years. Mainhope is to find descendant that might know whom gg grandfathers siblings and parents were. Thankyou very much wayne >From: Mary Thiele Fobian <metaphor4@sbcglobal.net> >Reply-To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Henry [P?] SMITH, KS / Marshall Co. / Vermillion Twp., 1900 census >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 18:10:35 -0800 (PST) > >Wayne, > >There is a problem with the data you were given--it is incomplete and >doesn't reveal an important fact that indicates that this Henry SMITH is >**not** the son of John GH Smith! Unfortunately, some numbers have been >written over the top of the area where Henry's initial appears, but I'm >fairly certain that it's "P" rather than "H." > >Here's what's actually in the 1900 census: > >1900 US Census, KS, Marshall Co., Vermillion Township, Sheet 20B >SMITH, Henry [P?], head, Dec 1855, 44, married 16 years, IL IN >--Mary, wife Apr 1858, 42, married 16 years, bore 7 children/5 living, OH >SWITZ >--Elda, daughter, Jan 1885, 15, KS >--Paul, son, Feb 1887, 13, KS >--Barbara, daughter, Dec 1892, 7, KS >--Lawrence, son, [June?] 1895, 4, KS >--Iva, daughter, Mar 1898, 2, KS >--Benjamin [W?], Father, Dec 1819, 80, widowed, IN IN > > > > > > >Wayne Smith <chessman52@hotmail.com> wrote: >Godd Morning Mary Thiele Fobian >Thankyou for your reply. >In answer to your ques. Had received by gene'lister the 1900 finding of my >g.uncle in >Vermillion Twp. Marshall KS >The Info on it as follows >Henry Harrison Smith -head December 1855 age 44 md 16 years Ill (macon co >had 1854 birth) >Mary Elizabeth Kious Smith -wife April 1858 age 42 (I believe OH birth-info >off page) >Elda -daughter Jan 1885 >Paul -Son Feb 1887 >Barbara daughter December 1892 >Laurence son June 1895 > >Henry Harrison Smith came from Decatur, Ill. Father John G H Smith & Mother >Martha Elizabeth >Wheeler Smith. I believe they lived in Oakley Twp and a Hopewell >postoffice. >GG John Grigg Higgin Smith died 1857, Martha remarried in 1864. >Martha married John in 1844 but they errored in referring to John C H Smith >when it was GH >He was early doctor to Oakley twp. > >If I can tell you what Ive attempted. Went to Random Acts of Kindness, but >volunteer for >that co. no longer lived there. She gave me post address for person in >Marshall to write. I wrote >my inquiry. The lady passed it on to the local gene'society there. But for >what ever reason. >They could tell me that there was an neighbor Eli Smith. Maybe another son >after 1895. > >Our local library has no amnesty or family history center access presently >anyway. > >Theres a pattern that my smiths ancestors left Ill in 1880s Geo W.Smith (my >g grandfather) >brother Garland W., Andrew J Smith, Joseph A Smith all seemed to go to Iowa >first and >Henry went to KS, Andrew J went to SD. Had some luck with that >g.uncle.-obtaining obituaries >Its a start. >Raised by paternal Grams right near them in Ia who never spoke of these >relatives. >Is Marshall the county or a city there in Kansas. >I believe all the brothers were farmers- stable until the depression at >least. >Is this area of Kansas pretty sparsley populated- Early days the 1880a,90s > >Thank you for your time with my poor attempts here to explain. >wayne > > >From: Mary Thiele Fobian > >Reply-To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: KSMARSHA] vermillion twp/ Henry Harrison Smith > >family/descendants search > >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) > > > >Wayne-- > > > >Do you already have census data for Henry Smith? > > > >Do you know what Macon County, Illinois town/township he lived in? > > > >When you say he married "a Kious," was that his wife's first name or > >surname? > > > >Do you already know whether they had children, and the children's names & > >birth dates/places? > > > > > >Wayne Smith wrote: > >Hello, new to this list/ searching for any information regarding g.uncle > >Henry H.Smith b.1852 > >Macon Co Illinois. He married a Kious in Illinois. He was a farmer and > >believe went to Kansas in mid > >1880s. Hopefully will be able to learn more about this ancestor and find > >living relatives. > >Thankyou very much for any assistence. > >wayne > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > >========================== > >Mary Thiele Fobian > >Genealogical & Historical Research > >Pacific Grove, California > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. 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Wayne, There is a problem with the data you were given--it is incomplete and doesn't reveal an important fact that indicates that this Henry SMITH is **not** the son of John GH Smith! Unfortunately, some numbers have been written over the top of the area where Henry's initial appears, but I'm fairly certain that it's "P" rather than "H." Here's what's actually in the 1900 census: 1900 US Census, KS, Marshall Co., Vermillion Township, Sheet 20B SMITH, Henry [P?], head, Dec 1855, 44, married 16 years, IL IN --Mary, wife Apr 1858, 42, married 16 years, bore 7 children/5 living, OH SWITZ --Elda, daughter, Jan 1885, 15, KS --Paul, son, Feb 1887, 13, KS --Barbara, daughter, Dec 1892, 7, KS --Lawrence, son, [June?] 1895, 4, KS --Iva, daughter, Mar 1898, 2, KS --Benjamin [W?], Father, Dec 1819, 80, widowed, IN IN Wayne Smith <chessman52@hotmail.com> wrote: Godd Morning Mary Thiele Fobian Thankyou for your reply. In answer to your ques. Had received by gene'lister the 1900 finding of my g.uncle in Vermillion Twp. Marshall KS The Info on it as follows Henry Harrison Smith -head December 1855 age 44 md 16 years Ill (macon co had 1854 birth) Mary Elizabeth Kious Smith -wife April 1858 age 42 (I believe OH birth-info off page) Elda -daughter Jan 1885 Paul -Son Feb 1887 Barbara daughter December 1892 Laurence son June 1895 Henry Harrison Smith came from Decatur, Ill. Father John G H Smith & Mother Martha Elizabeth Wheeler Smith. I believe they lived in Oakley Twp and a Hopewell postoffice. GG John Grigg Higgin Smith died 1857, Martha remarried in 1864. Martha married John in 1844 but they errored in referring to John C H Smith when it was GH He was early doctor to Oakley twp. If I can tell you what Ive attempted. Went to Random Acts of Kindness, but volunteer for that co. no longer lived there. She gave me post address for person in Marshall to write. I wrote my inquiry. The lady passed it on to the local gene'society there. But for what ever reason. They could tell me that there was an neighbor Eli Smith. Maybe another son after 1895. Our local library has no amnesty or family history center access presently anyway. Theres a pattern that my smiths ancestors left Ill in 1880s Geo W.Smith (my g grandfather) brother Garland W., Andrew J Smith, Joseph A Smith all seemed to go to Iowa first and Henry went to KS, Andrew J went to SD. Had some luck with that g.uncle.-obtaining obituaries Its a start. Raised by paternal Grams right near them in Ia who never spoke of these relatives. Is Marshall the county or a city there in Kansas. I believe all the brothers were farmers- stable until the depression at least. Is this area of Kansas pretty sparsley populated- Early days the 1880a,90s Thank you for your time with my poor attempts here to explain. wayne >From: Mary Thiele Fobian >Reply-To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: KSMARSHA] vermillion twp/ Henry Harrison Smith >family/descendants search >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) > >Wayne-- > >Do you already have census data for Henry Smith? > >Do you know what Macon County, Illinois town/township he lived in? > >When you say he married "a Kious," was that his wife's first name or >surname? > >Do you already know whether they had children, and the children's names & >birth dates/places? > > >Wayne Smith wrote: >Hello, new to this list/ searching for any information regarding g.uncle >Henry H.Smith b.1852 >Macon Co Illinois. He married a Kious in Illinois. He was a farmer and >believe went to Kansas in mid >1880s. Hopefully will be able to learn more about this ancestor and find >living relatives. >Thankyou very much for any assistence. >wayne > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >========================== >Mary Thiele Fobian >Genealogical & Historical Research >Pacific Grove, California > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Godd Morning Mary Thiele Fobian Thankyou for your reply. In answer to your ques. Had received by gene'lister the 1900 finding of my g.uncle in Vermillion Twp. Marshall KS The Info on it as follows Henry Harrison Smith -head December 1855 age 44 md 16 years Ill (macon co had 1854 birth) Mary Elizabeth Kious Smith -wife April 1858 age 42 (I believe OH birth-info off page) Elda -daughter Jan 1885 Paul -Son Feb 1887 Barbara daughter December 1892 Laurence son June 1895 Henry Harrison Smith came from Decatur, Ill. Father John G H Smith & Mother Martha Elizabeth Wheeler Smith. I believe they lived in Oakley Twp and a Hopewell postoffice. GG John Grigg Higgin Smith died 1857, Martha remarried in 1864. Martha married John in 1844 but they errored in referring to John C H Smith when it was GH He was early doctor to Oakley twp. If I can tell you what Ive attempted. Went to Random Acts of Kindness, but volunteer for that co. no longer lived there. She gave me post address for person in Marshall to write. I wrote my inquiry. The lady passed it on to the local gene'society there. But for what ever reason. They could tell me that there was an neighbor Eli Smith. Maybe another son after 1895. Our local library has no amnesty or family history center access presently anyway. Theres a pattern that my smiths ancestors left Ill in 1880s Geo W.Smith (my g grandfather) brother Garland W., Andrew J Smith, Joseph A Smith all seemed to go to Iowa first and Henry went to KS, Andrew J went to SD. Had some luck with that g.uncle.-obtaining obituaries Its a start. Raised by paternal Grams right near them in Ia who never spoke of these relatives. Is Marshall the county or a city there in Kansas. I believe all the brothers were farmers- stable until the depression at least. Is this area of Kansas pretty sparsley populated- Early days the 1880a,90s Thank you for your time with my poor attempts here to explain. wayne >From: Mary Thiele Fobian <metaphor4@sbcglobal.net> >Reply-To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >To: KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: KSMARSHA] vermillion twp/ Henry Harrison Smith >family/descendants search >Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) > >Wayne-- > >Do you already have census data for Henry Smith? > >Do you know what Macon County, Illinois town/township he lived in? > >When you say he married "a Kious," was that his wife's first name or >surname? > >Do you already know whether they had children, and the children's names & >birth dates/places? > > >Wayne Smith <chessman52@hotmail.com> wrote: >Hello, new to this list/ searching for any information regarding g.uncle >Henry H.Smith b.1852 >Macon Co Illinois. He married a Kious in Illinois. He was a farmer and >believe went to Kansas in mid >1880s. Hopefully will be able to learn more about this ancestor and find >living relatives. >Thankyou very much for any assistence. >wayne > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >========================== >Mary Thiele Fobian >Genealogical & Historical Research >Pacific Grove, California > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Wayne-- Do you already have census data for Henry Smith? Do you know what Macon County, Illinois town/township he lived in? When you say he married "a Kious," was that his wife's first name or surname? Do you already know whether they had children, and the children's names & birth dates/places? Wayne Smith <chessman52@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello, new to this list/ searching for any information regarding g.uncle Henry H.Smith b.1852 Macon Co Illinois. He married a Kious in Illinois. He was a farmer and believe went to Kansas in mid 1880s. Hopefully will be able to learn more about this ancestor and find living relatives. Thankyou very much for any assistence. wayne ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Hello, new to this list/ searching for any information regarding g.uncle Henry H.Smith b.1852 Macon Co Illinois. He married a Kious in Illinois. He was a farmer and believe went to Kansas in mid 1880s. Hopefully will be able to learn more about this ancestor and find living relatives. Thankyou very much for any assistence. wayne

Looking for Lane's Crossing cemetery in Lanesburg, KS. John Lane 1870s operated a ferry crossing at Bib Blue Section 26 Blue Rapis City Twp. Searching for the old burial records for the cemetery... understand the headstones were plowed up and sold. Hoping to find an ancestor (Ezra Sabin died 1874) who was friends with a Lane family. The original Sabin homestead was less than a mile or two from the cemetery location. Any information appreciated... thank you. Penny and Don Sabin ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Looking for info on Thomas McCampbell of Marshall Co KS in about 1875... 1st married Ella Reeser died 1872 (?) and also a 2nd wife (name unknown). Originally from Ohio and believe he may have later moved to Kansas City (1880s). Thank you for any info. ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Valerie and list, You really lucked out reaching Lloyd for help. When my hubby and I visited Marshall County, he helped us find my great grandfather's grave. He actually got in our car and went with us to ensure us finding the cemetery. He was so much help, we took him to lunch and I've got a picture of him at the restaurant. Good luck in your search and for the list, you are lucky if you have ancestors in this county as the available help is incredible! Lynn

Lloyd at the Marshall County Historical Society has been MOST helpful. I called him and he spent over an hour looking things up for me while I talked to him on the phone! He lives in Marysville and was raised in Frankfort and really knows the area, the old cemeteries and even warned me about where the roads are bad or might flood. He looked up some plat maps for me and then gave me explicit directions and I now know where I am going. He is also sending me an obit from the Frankfort newspaper from 1888! I will be sending a donation and look forward to seeing all these places this weekend thanks to Lloyd! Valerie In a message dated 2/25/2005 2:26:22 AM Central Standard Time, polywog@suscom.net writes: am in possession of a 1904 plat map for the area around Blue Rapids that indicates property lines, names of owners, acres and other information. I cannot remember where I obtained it. Does this map exist for the entire county? Can copies be obtained online or via a Marshal County resource? Many Thanks-Paul

I am in possession of a 1904 plat map for the area around Blue Rapids that indicates property lines, names of owners, acres and other information. I cannot remember where I obtained it. Does this map exist for the entire county? Can copies be obtained online or via a Marshal County resource? Many Thanks-Paul -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005

In Marysville go to the Historical Museum next door east of records and deeds and they will xrox a copy. I got one and it shows Lillis and 3 or 4 miles north is an Auld farmstead with a large stone marker pointing across the road to the former Auld PO location which has been crossed by a newer road. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <ValerieAuld@aol.com> To: <KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Old Cemeteries and Plat Maps of Marshall Co > I will be going to Marshall County this Saturday for the day. I would like > to find my husband's ancestors' homesteads. First, I can't find a map of these > counties that lists where the townships were located. I know the townships > these people were in (the AULDs were in Vermillion and the BRADFORDs were in > Vermillion in 1860 and 1870 and in Center Twp. in 1880). Where would I find an > old plat map to show me where these folks homesteads were located? > > I also would like to find where these people are buried. Some of the Auld's > were in the Frankfort Cemetery and I need to locate that. I do not know where > the Bradford's are buried. Any ideas on how to find that out this week so I > can go there when I am there this weekend? > > Thanks for any help. > > Valerie > > ______________________________

Valarie- I have some maps I can send that might help. One shows all the townships with a section grid (36 to a township) and county place names. I have a plat map of the area around Blue Rapids. It is dated 1904. I think it is from a series done of the entire county in 1904. They show property boundaries, number of acres, owners name, transportation, rivers/creeks, schools, etc. Excellent documents. Not sure where I got mine. I think National Archives in D.C. But local archives may have them also. Also, try Marshall Co. Chancery Clerks office. If you like I'll email you what I have. Cheers-Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <ValerieAuld@aol.com> To: <KSMARSHA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: Old Cemeteries and Plat Maps of Marshall Co > I will be going to Marshall County this Saturday for the day. I would like > to find my husband's ancestors' homesteads. First, I can't find a map of these > counties that lists where the townships were located. I know the townships > these people were in (the AULDs were in Vermillion and the BRADFORDs were in > Vermillion in 1860 and 1870 and in Center Twp. in 1880). Where would I find an > old plat map to show me where these folks homesteads were located? > > I also would like to find where these people are buried. Some of the Auld's > were in the Frankfort Cemetery and I need to locate that. I do not know where > the Bradford's are buried. Any ideas on how to find that out this week so I > can go there when I am there this weekend? > > Thanks for any help. > > Valerie > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005

Thanks to everyone who responded regarding Old Plat Maps and Cemeteries. I have e-mailed the Marshall Co. Hist Society and hope to hear back from them before I leave on Saturday since they won't be open on Saturday. DARN! I found the Cutler's History of KS available onlin and it is great! Not only histories for every county but maps of townships, etc! http://www.kancoll.org/books/cutler/ Go down and click on the county you are interested in or click on Territorial History!! Valerie

Valerie, Go to the old courthouse in Marysville. There is a lady there that is so helpful. She should be able to find plat maps and direct you to the cemeteries. My husband and I drove from Florida to do some research there two years ago. We found tons of information thanks to all the helpful people there. Good luck in your research and with your trip. Lynn

Write to the Marshall Co. Historical Society at mchs@bluevalley.net and ask them to check their cemetery card file. They are closed on Saturdays, but hopefully you'll get the information you need before you leave. There is one "Auld" (Ida L.) listed on the cemetery listing for Vermillion Cemetery. The other ones which are online (Home City, Marysville, North Elm, and Wells) show no listings for Auld or Bradford. Alice Allen US GenWeb County Coordinator for Marshall Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/marshall/ Listmom for KSMARSHA-L *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 2/22/2005 at 8:29 AM ValerieAuld@aol.com wrote: <snip> Any ideas on how to find that out this week so >I can go there when I am there this weekend? > >Thanks for any help. > >Valerie >