This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/wl.2ADE/40.3.1 Message Board Post: Well I am shocked. I have both of these names and there are many children but I dont lhave a listing for either one of the ones you are looking for. I am sorry I cant help more. Dan djcelr37@hotmail.com