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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: METSCHER,HERMANNS, VOTAVA Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/105 Message Board Post: Looking for information about the KRAEMER family that is buried at Old Lutheran Cemetery Ridgewood New York. Will be happy to share info.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kraemer of Stuttgart, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, Germany Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/104 Message Board Post: Hello..Looking for relatives to compare ancestry information for my Kraemer/Kramer line. All from Stuttgart, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, Germany.. My GGgrandfather: Wilhelm Jacob Kramer/Kraemer, b. @23 Feb 1840, Married Maria Klengenberg/Klingenberg from Prussia in San Francisco in 1872. My GGGgranfather: Philipp Wilhelm Christoph Kraemer; b. 23 May 1801, married Louise Regine Umgelter in 1830. My GGGGgranfather: Andreas Wilhelm Kraemer b. 29 Nov 1774, d. 04 Apr 1819. Married Dorothea Friederika Staiger 17 Jun 1801. My GGGGGgrandfather: Johann Georg Kraemer b. 17 Apr 1736, d.?, married Eva Katharina Ruehle on 22 Jan 1760. My GGGGGGgranfather: Georg Wilhelm Kraemer b. 26 Feb 1699, d. 03 Jun 1744, m. Anna Maria Knoepfle on 30 Apr 1720. My GGGGGGGgrandfather: Johannes Kremer b. 16 May 1671, d. ?, m. Anna Maria Hess on 14 Nov 1694 That's as far as I got. If anyone has information on my Kraemer line, or any of their spouses, ESPECIALLY the spouse of my GGgrandfather Wilhelm Jacob Kramer/Kraemer who emigrated to San Francisco around 1870..(His wife is Maria Klengenberg/Klingenberg from Prussia), Please email me at teshuvah@charter.net or thewilberts1986@yahoo.com Thanks so much! Laura Wilbert Illinois

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kramer, Richman, Rabinowitz Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/103 Message Board Post: I am looking for information about the Kramer family from Kelme, Lithuania/Russia. Moishe & Tema are the parents, Sahmal, Ike, and Shaindel are the children (born 1874-1884). Moishe died in a fire in Kelme, Sahmal came to the US in 1891, Tema and Shaindel came to the US in 1901, Ike went to South Africa first and then to the US in 1904.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kraemer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/102 Message Board Post: I was hoping someone might have some information about Albert and Mary Kraemer who settled somewhere around Kitchener, Ontario (I think). I would like to know if they were born in Ontario or did they immigrate. I believe they would have married around the turn of the century. They had several children, Harold (born about 1924), Edward, Kathleen, Peggy, Betty, Kevin, Hugh, Mary Ann, John and Neil. Any information you may have would be really helpful. I would appreciate anything you may have to offer about this family. Thanks in advance for any help. Carolyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/101 Message Board Post: Seeking info on Ruth Kraemer, b. New York 1908, died in Hawaii. I believe maiden name was Bridges or Burton. She had 2 daughters named Carol or Carolyn and Marjorie. Any help appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kra(e)mer, McGuinness Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/100 Message Board Post: Seek info on Edward A. Kra(e)mer and family, b. c1880, in New York State. Edward married a Nellie McGuinness c1898 and they lived in Brooklyn. Edward was a farmer. Cannot locate family in 1900 census. In 1910 census, Nellie is living with her mother - no Edward. In 1920 census they are together. In 1930 census Nellie is listed as a widow, though I do not feel Edward was dead. Need help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/99 Message Board Post: The name Frida Kraemer shows up in my triple great grandfather's (Carl Frederick Seitz) will (1895) as a granddaughter. He lived in Newark and she may also have lived in NJ. Does anyone have her in their data base? Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Seitz, Pfaff, Whitenight, Peterson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/87.2 Message Board Post: I recently discovered a Frida Kraemer in my triple great grandfather's will dated 1895. She was listed as a granddaughter. Since the family lived in Newark, she may have too. Do you have any Frida's or the surname Seitz in your data base? Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/98 Message Board Post: I'm still looking for my great grandfather Daniel Kirkendall whom I was told was killed by train in 1894. Recently Tri-County genealogy pages posted Bradford Co. deaths in that era for the letter "K" and NO Daniel Kirkendall listed. I'm investigating the possibility that he did not die but maybe left the family and remarried as I've found the following information that may fit his age era: 1900 census - Corning , NY Kirkendall, Daniel age 32 , born Aug. 1867, PA, parents born PA, married 3 years, RR brakeman, rents house on E. Pultney St., Corning, NY wife Lillian - age 26, born Aug. 1873, NY Irene - age 1 Mamie - age 1/12 and 1930 census - Corning, NY Daniel R Kirkendall 60 (1869) Pennsylvania Head White Corning, Steuben, NY , born PA Lillian age 58 wife Irene A. Kreamer age 31, divorced daughter Lillian H. " age 12 granddaughter Harry age 10 grandson i noted discrepancy in Daniel's age. Would like info on this Daniel R. Kirkendall to see if there is a possiblity of him being my Daniel possibly married previously to Martha J. Ellis and lived in Bradford Co., PA if you are related to Irene and her children Lillian and Harry and have info on Daniel please please can you contact me at mykirkendall@lycos.com so I can prove or disprove Daniel R. being the one I'm looking for?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KRAMER/BINGHAM/WAINWRIGHT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/97 Message Board Post: I am seeking information on Nellie Kramer. Nellie was b: c1876 and married Edward Bingham b: c1872. They were married about 1895. I believe that Nellie’s parents are Lawrence Kramer b: c1838 and Katie ? b: c1845. From the census records Lawrence and Katie immigrated to the U.S. from Prussia. I believe Lawrence and Katie are the parents of Nellie based upon finding them in the 1880 census with Kramer spelled Cramer. Along with Nellie in the 1880 census were several siblings: Katie b: c1872 Christina b: c1874 Nellie b: c1876 Mary b; c1878 Maryann b: c1879 In addition to knowing about Nellie marrying Edward Bingham, I know that Nellie died very young and Edward married her sister Mary. Nellie’s and Mary’s birth years were also identified in the 1900 and 1910 census respectively. Based on the 1900 and 1910 census information, I concluded that the Nellie Cramer found in the 1880 census is the same Nellie Kramer who married Edward. I would greatly appreciate any help that you can provide regarding Nellie and her family. Roy Wainwright

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/96 Message Board Post: Looking for the ancestors of Karl Kraemer, born 29 Aug 1882 in Worms/Rheinhessen/Germany. He married Magdalena Hillenbrand in Frankenthal/Pfalz/Germany on 17 Aug 1907. His parents were Johann Heinrich Kraemer and Anna Josefine Soldan. Can anyone help?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KRAEMER or KRAMER, TRETTEN, FENDLING, DUERR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/95.1 Message Board Post: From FHL Film #2026701, Church records, 1847-1922, Zion United Church of Christ (Tonawanda, New York), Zion Evangelical and Reformed Church (Tonawanda, New York), Item 1 CONFIRMATIONS Page 238 (1870) Wm. Kramer Page 241 (1875) Karl Kramer Page 242 (1879) Kath. Kramer From FHL Film #2026701, Church records, 1847-1922, Zion United Church of Christ (Tonawanda, New York), Zion Evangelical and Reformed Church (Tonawanda, New York), Item 2 CONFIRMATIONS Palmsonntag 1892 Apr. 10 Page 153, line 403-14 Name: Carl Kramer MARRIAGES Page 168, line 50-3 Date: Feb. 25 1886 Name of Groom: Heinrich Kraemer Name of Bride: Agnes Tretten Ages: Residence: Where: 408 Fox Str. Buffalo N.Y. Witnesses: Louis W. Schmidt, Louis Kinkel Page 168, line 67-20 Date: Juli 15 1886 Name of Groom: George Kramer Name of Bride: Louise Fendling Ages: Residence: Where: 567 Jefferson Str. Witnesses: Karl Glaser, Karl Kramer Page 188, line 18 Date: Nov. 15 1900 Name of Groom: Charles Kraemer Name of Bride: Lillian M. S. Duerr Ages: 22 - 21 Residence: Buffalo Where: 21 George St. Witnesses: Chas. Hofheinz, Louise Kraemer DEATHS Page 326, line 12 Name: Philipp A. Kramer Residence: Place of Birth: Buffalo N.Y. Date of Birth: Where Buried: Pine Hill Date of Death: 1887 Apr. 16 Date of Burial: 1887 Apr. 18 Age: 69.10.16 Page 332, line 33 Name: Heinrich Kramer Residence: Place of Birth: Buffalo N.Y. Date of Birth: Where Buried: Concordia Date of Death: 1888 Date of Burial: 1888 Aug. 15 Age: 21 years

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KRAEMER, DUERR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/95 Message Board Post: From FHL Film #2026701, Church records, 1847-1922, Zion United Church of Christ (Tonawanda, New York), Zion Evangelical and Reformed Church (Tonawanda, New York) BAPTISMS Page 10, line 27 Name: Emil August Father: Kramer, Charles Mother: Lillian Duerr Date of Birth: Juli 23 1903 Date of Baptism: Aug 16 '03 Sponsors: August Friederich & Kunigunde Duerr Page 20, line 6 Name: Lillian Evelyn Father: Kraemer, Carl Mother: Lillian Duerr Date of Birth: Jan. 6 '08 Date of Baptism: Feb. 16 1908 Sponsors: Carl & Christine [?]etzel DEATHS Page 356, line 19 Name: Kraemer, Marie Kathar. Station: ? Place of Birth: Wehrstadt Hess Darmst Date of Birth: '23 Juni 24 Place of Death: Buffalo Date of Death: '97 Mai 31 Date of Burial: '97 Juni 3 Page 166, line 14 Name: Kraemer, Georg Station: Widower Residence: Buffalo Place of Birth: Germany Date of Birth: Jun 1 1845 Place of Death: Buffalo Date of Death: Feb. 17 1914 Date of Burial: Feb. 19 1914 Remarks: [blank] Age: 68 Page 170, line 59 Name: Kraemer, Catherine Station: Wife Residence: Buffalo N.Y. Place of Birth: [?]ansville Date of Birth: May 29 1858 Place of Death: Buffalo Date of Death: Jul 25 1916 Date of Burial: Jul 28 1916 Remarks: [blank] Age: 58

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/94 Message Board Post: Fritz Kraemer, a refugee from Nazi Germany who tutored generations of America ' s leading generals in historical and geopolitical thinking, died in Washington on Sept. 8. He was 95. From 1951 until his retirement in 1978, he worked in the Pentagon as a senior civilian counselor to defense secretaries and top military commanders. His son, Sven, a Pentagon official, said that Dr. Kraemer ' s title often changed but that he occupied the same map-covered office from which he would be called on to prepare briefings, often on short notice, on such diverse subjects as political developments in Southeast Asia, economic prospects in China and French views on nuclear weapons. But his influence on national policy perhaps was felt most visibly in a friendship he struck in 1944 when he was a private at a Louisiana Army camp during World War II. There, he met Henry Kissinger, also a private and another refugee from Germany, whom he helped guide toward a career that reached the highest e! chelons of government. In Cold War years, long before Kissinger moved from Harvard to the office of secretary of state, Dr. Kraemer pursued his antitotalitarian views, participating in formal and informal seminars at staff colleges and within the Pentagon, where Donald Rumsfeld referred to him as " a true keeper of the flame. " He also developed close and mentoring relationships with many officers who either occupied or would rise to powerful positions, among them, Gen. Creighton Abrams; Gen. Alexander M. Haig Jr.; Gen. Vernon A. Walters, who later served as ambassador to the United Nations; and Maj. Gen. Edward G. Lansdale, the theoretician of counterinsurgency. Born in Essen in 1908, Fritz Kraemer was the son of a prosecutor and an heiress. A man of conservative instincts, with a veneration for history and culture and a devotion to his Lutheran faith, he acquired doctorates in economics and law. During the turbulent early 1930s he often joined in street battles against ! both black-shirted Nazis and communist toughs, holding high the flag o f the old Hohenzollern monarchy. In 1933, he left Germany to work as a legal adviser for the League of Nations in Rome, and he wrote eight books on international law. Having observed fascism in both Italy and Germany, he fled to the United States in 1939 on the eve of war. Once in the U.S. Army, he cut an eccentric figure, habitually wearing a monocle and carrying a riding crop while speaking loudly in a strong German accent. At Camp Claiborne in Louisiana, his demeanor attracted the attention of Maj. Gen. Alexander R. Bolling, the commanding officer of the 84th Division, who assigned him to his headquarters. Walter Isaacson, a Kissinger biographer, said that Privates Kissinger and Dr. Kraemer first met at the camp, when Dr. Kraemer, speaking from his jeep, delivered a lecture on the philosophy of the Nazi state and the necessity of its defeat to men who had just finished a 10-mile march. The 20-year-old Kissinger was stirred and wrote Dr. Kraemer, saying: ' I heard you ! speak yesterday. This is how it should be done. Can I help you in any way? ' " Dr. Kraemer looked up the younger soldier and, impressed by his intelligence, gradually inspired and abetted him. As Isaacson wrote: " Kraemer ' s patronage was to prove momentous. During the next three years, he would pluck Kissinger out of the infantry, secure him an assignment as a translator for Bolling, get him chosen to administer the occupation of captured towns, ease his way into the Counter-Intelligence Corps, have him hired as a teacher at a military intelligence school in Germany and then convince him to go to Harvard. Dr. Kraemer often is described as ' the man who discovered Kissinger. ' He thunders: ' My role was not discovering Kissinger! My role was getting Kissinger to discover himself. ' " Dr. Kraemer was captured in the Battle of the Bulge. Soon after he was taken, he convinced his German captors that an Allied victory was imminent and persuaded them to surrender themselves a! nd the town to him. For this he received a Bronze Star and a battlefie ld commission. Kissinger has written that " Fritz Kraemer was the greatest single influence in my formative years. " He cited the conversations the pair had had as they walked battle-scarred streets. The older man, he wrote, " spoke of history and postwar challenges in his stentorian voice, and awakened my interest in political philosophy. " The relationship that Dr. Kraemer and Kissinger forged at Camp Claiborne endured for years before it deteriorated in 1975 when Dr. Kraemer expressed disapproval of the policies of detente with the Soviet Union that Kissinger and the Ford administration were pursuing. The two did not speak for 28 years until last year, when Kissinger telephoned his old mentor. In addition to his son, Dr. Kraemer is survived by his daughter, Madeleine Bryant of Cockeysville, Md.; and three grandsons. Published in the San Diego Union-Tribune on 11/21/2003. (volunteer submission)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kraemer, Kreamer, Kremer, Sias Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/93 Message Board Post: Seeking information on Mary Geneieve Kraemer (or variation) born December 16, 1885/6 in Mass. I know she was one of many children - I know she had a sister Barbara and a brother Joseph. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hn.2ACEB/86.1 Message Board Post: I am a Kramer from Morgan city, La Would like to do a family tree. My Grandpa name was RObelus Kramer any information would be nice as i am just starting.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kraemer, Amos Harrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3hn.2ACEB/92 Message Board Post: Looking for any imformation on my fathers family My Grandfather Joseph Kraemer was born in Pennsylvannia, about 1898, he was brought up in an orphanage. I have heard through family members that some of his siblings were adopted and currently live in New Jersey Ther surname would be McManus..Please iof anyone has any info please post