Thanks to you all for this new info. My mama always called them Conagee's. I thought that was just the way they talk in Georgia and Alabama. The pictures in her album was spelled the same way. Barbara Justice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat via" <kornegay@rootsweb.com> To: AndrewBWard@aol.com, kornegay@rootsweb.com, mward39@bellsouth.net, Kathlynn3@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:40:06 AM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] John Krenig It seems to me Kathlynn that that list of immigrants who were in England may have been cited in one of the books written on the family that I never found who wrote it. I knew that Konig meant king because I once worked with a James Konig and he said his name meant King. Thanks, Matt for the interesting information on the German language, which I know nothing about. I have not worked on the KORNEGAY for some time but I am always interested. I remember how people always remarked on the way the family pronounced their name which appeared different from Carnagie and etc. It was more like Car-na-gee. I take that back about not working on the Kornegay family in some time, I was recently trying to help a lady in Oregon who was working on the James Martin KORNEGAY line. This was Hazel Anthony's line so I was able to help her a little. I think this is also the Bibb Co Al KORNEGAYs, that is Kathlyn and Matt's. Nice to hear from the KORNEGAY descendants again. Pat Hoffman -----Original Message----- From: AndrewBWard via <kornegay@rootsweb.com> To: mward39 <mward39@bellsouth.net>; Kathlynn3 <Kathlynn3@aol.com>; kornegay <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] John Krenig Web search of the name Koenig suggests a Jewish connection Andy In a message dated 1/26/2015 2:53:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, kornegay@rootsweb.com writes: What I am about to write in the next paragraph may not appear on your screen as I have written it unless you have your email program set to reproduce rich text. I preface by saying I am not a professor of German, but I have studied it. On that note: the word (Koenig) in German is typically spelled with an umlaut over the "o" and affects how a German would pronounce the "o". The closest we English speakers can come is to try to say "e" while holding the mouth and lips pursed as though we are trying to say "o". Therefore, since we have no umlaut on our keyboard or diacritical marking that would mean anything to us, we have traditionally transliterated the umlauted "o" as "oe". Nearly all words that are from German that are written by us with an "oe" were originally written in German as "ö". Thus, the name we write as "Koenig" would have been written by the Germans as "König". So, if you are looking in German texts for the name, look for the spelling König. The closest example I can think of to approximate the sound of the first syllable in "König" is to compare it to the sound of the first syllable in our American-English word "Colonel." I have mentioned before in this forum that the name might have been "König" or "Könige." The German language pluralizes the word "König" by adding the letter "e" at the end. So, "Könige" would translate "Kings". This could have meant the last name was "Kings" or it could have meant the family was the "Kings" just as I would say "We are the Wards" if asked what family are you? I think this is the most likely name that a head of the family might have said when asked who they were: "Wir sind die Könige." (We are the Kings.) The final "e" in the name would be pronounced as a long "a" as in the word "hay" (or "gay"). This theory has the added support that the German pronunciation of Könige is (as close as I can write it in English) would be "Ko-nee-gay" (with the first syllable sounding like a guttural start of the word "Colonel." This would explain why an English-speaking scribe might have heard "Kornegay." I rest my case. Matt Ward -----Original Message----- From: kornegay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kornegay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathlynn3 via Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:41 PM To: kornegay@rootsweb.com Subject: [KORNEGAY] John Krenig Hi everyone, Re: on 3-16-2008 I posted email informing you that I found: John Krenig....[Jacob Meuller, Peter Fischer, George Kurtz and others]... on the 11 June 1709 Arrivals of German's from the Palatinate: "List of poor Palatines taken 15 June 1709 at St. Catherine's and Debtford." Several agreed, at the time, John Krenig family is a possible, if not probably, candidate for the family of our George Kornegay [based on circumstantial evidence only]. I, at the time and again today, did a google search: surname Krenig ~meaning & origin =nothing found.....however abundant info found for surname Koenig / Konig - meaning=king [found here: http://german.about.com/library/blsurname01.htm NOTE: THERE IS ONLY 1 LETTER DIFFERENCE: K(r)enig ...vs...K(o)enig I've always wondered: 1. Is it possible these German Registrant's only spoke and spelled in German, and the Registrar only spoke and spell in English and thereby spelled it according to the how they heard it said, thence, the surname Krenig on the Registry [list] is a morphed spelling that should be Koenig? 2. OR the original Registrar made a sloppy unclear entry for the 2nd letter and later a transcriber, entered the name as Krenig instead of Koenig.....clear as mud? Anyway, with all that said: I AM currently inclined to believe the correct surname is KOENIG [not Krenig] and IF it is....that could mean we may have better luck searching and finding more information about our ancestors if we search for the Koenig.....in Germany and USA.....Opinions requested. BTW has anyone found anymore or different information in the interim? Is anyone subscribed to Ancestry that knows how to search for records in Germany? I *think* [which is daily getting more difficult in my elderly years, LOL! ] that I have seen more than one Koenig family that went from Germany to England and then to PA? NY? NJ? USA. Obviously I'm not very good at browsing & finding stuff on the web, based on just recently during one of our daily instant message chats a cousin from a different surname lineage ask what I was doing, and I responded: spent hours trying to find such and such with no success...and in a New York minute, she found and sent it to me. DUH! .....blows my mind. [But, to console my wounded ego I remind myself that I'm better with discernment that she is, tee hee!). And this brings me to say: I can't even take full credit for finding the above said Palatines from the Palatinates document, because I "just happened" to run across it when I was actually searching for something else, and because this scenario often happens.....it leaves me believing it is my guardian angel, not me, that often finds what I need......and this angel is probably getting tired and weary. LOL! 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