--27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: John George Hornich" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re: John George Hornich" Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from smtp.bwn.net ([216.146.128.221]) by eggs.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <[email protected]> for <[email protected]>; Thu, 24 May 2001 21:25:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 7401 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 04:24:58 -0000 Received: from 216-146-187-85.bwn.net (HELO jan-s-pii-450) (216.146.187.85) by smtp.bwn.net with SMTP; 25 May 2001 04:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Jan Hornick" <[email protected]> To: "joe kornegay" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: John George Hornich Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:27:46 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dear Joe, Following are my notes on John George Hornick or Johann Georg Hornigh. Of all of the notes, I judge the information from Brian Keogh of County Wexford to be the most authoritative. Brian questions some of the information from Lydia Hornick and others. Good luck in your search to either refute or confirm the claims of Kornegay researchers! Best Wishes! Jan Hornick, Denver, Colorado ************************************** !BIRTH-SON-DESCENDANTS: Information from Walt Hornick, February 11, 2000. NOTE: Walt sent 1085 descendants and/or spouses of John George Hornigh, most of whom settled in Ontario, Canada. The following information was posted by Jean Rice, [email protected], on the Limerick, Ireland website on 23 Jun 2000: PALATINES: "Prior to 1871, what is now Germany consisted of a number of separate states such as Wurttemberg, Prussia, Bavaria, etc., whose boundaries changed frequently as a result of war and other causes. The Palantinate was one of these states, and was located along the Rhine, roughly corresponding to the modern German state of Rhineland-Pfalz." "In 1709 several hundred Palatine families settled in Ireland. A combination of economic hardship causd by war and a severe winter led to the exodus. Queen Anne received them in England and sent some to Ireland to the estates of sympathetic Protestant landlords. They established roots, mainly in the Rathkeale area of County Limerick, Ireland, where about 1,200 of them settled on the estate of Thomas Southwell. Other colonies were set up in Old Ross and Gorey, County Wexford and in Counties Cork and Dublin. Though the Limerick Palatines spread out to other areas, particularly north Kerry and Tipperary, Rathkeale remained an important focal point." **************************************************************************** ** Brian Keogh, Hornick descendant, researcher and resident of County Wexford, Ireland, wrote to Jan Hornick on 22 April 2001: "Only the first four Board of Trade Lists (that of May 6, 1709) is included here that group of 825 persons is mentioned in the Embarkation Lists from Holland ......." "John George Hornigh, w, with a wife, two sons, 2 daus (the "w" after JGH's name stands for a vinedresser) "The above is mentioned in 'Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration' by Walter Allen Knittle, Philadelphia, 1937. This book has been reprinted by The Genealogical Company of Baltimore, MD on numerous occasions. To date it is the only publication that fully tells the Palatine story from an in depth scholastic study using all source material where possible - however Knittle spent little time on Co. Wexford families - however the book is a must for anyone searching the Palatine background. "So from this one can see that our Hornick family were among the first arrivals - although I suspect that the travelled privately, even being a little more private whilst in Ireland. "The second source is from 'The Palatine Families of Ireland' 2nd edition 1990 Picton Press, Camden, Maine, by Henry Z. Jones Jr. who states:- "'The founder of this prominent Co.Wexford family was Johann George Hornich. John George Hornick aged 38 years, his wife, sons 8 and 2 yrs., daughters aged 12 and 10 yrs., Ref., husbandman and vindresser......' "This book also mentions the earliest marriage settlement discovered, by me, between Philip Hornick son of George and Ann of Old Ross, and Margaret Hofman daughter of Peter of Kilmichael, on the 28th of May 1738. When looking at this see also the Hoffman family! "Regarding the name Whitney connected to Hornick it must be stressed that the Whitney's and the Hornick's married on numerous occasions. I has a Will for Benjamin Whitney of Old Ross dated 1843, and copies all documents concerning the Hornick family and know not only the country locations, but also understand the meaning of the civil, legal, geographical, and the various interpretations required to understand fully what should be taken down as fact and wishful thinking, bearing in mind always that following generations will be accepting our written [words] as fact!" Brian reported in a telephone call to Jan Hornick on 4 May 2001 that this family was likely from an area near Heidelberg, Germany. **************************************************************************** *** The following article tells of the Palatine Immigration to England, Ireland and America. The source is Kraig Ruckel's Palatine and Pennsylvania-Dutch Genealogy website: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3955/palatine.htm, February 2000. "The winter of 1708-1709 was very long and cold in the Rhineland. It was a very bleak period. People huddled around their fires as they considered quitting their homes and farms forever. By early April, the land was still frozen and most of the Palatines' vines had been killed by the bitter weather. Since 1702 their country had been enduring war and there was little hope for the future. The Thirty Years War lay heavy on their minds, a period in which one out of every three Germans had perished. "The Palatines were heavily taxed and endured religious persecution. As the people considered their future, the older ones remembered that, in 1677, William Penn had visited the area, encouraging the people to go to Pennsylvania in America, a place where a man and his family could be free of the problems they were now encountering. "To go to America meant a long, dreadful ocean voyage and a future in an unknown land, away from their past and family. Everyone knew that the German Elector would stop any migration as soon as it was noticed. Only a mass exodus from the Palatinate could be successful. Many wondered how they could ever finance such a journey even if they wanted to attempt it. Small boats, known as scows, would have to be acquired for the long ride down the Rhine River and then there was the price for the ocean voyage. While some of the people had relatives that could assist them financially, many were very poor. Soon enough, their minds were made up for them as France's King Louis XIV invaded their land, ravaging especially the towns in the Lower Palatinate. "In masses, the Palatines boarded their small boats and headed down the Rhine for Rotterdam. It was April 1709 and the first parties were afloat on the Rhine, many with only their most basic goods and their faith in God as their only possessions. The river voyage took an average of 4-6 weeks through extremely cold, bitter weather. By June, 1709, the people streamed into Rotterdam at a rate of one thousand per week. The Elector, as expected, issued an edict forbidding the migration, but almost everyone ignored it. By October, 1709, more than 10,000 Palatines had completed the Rhine River journey. "The Duke of Marlborough was assigned by Queen Anne to transport the immigrants to England. British troop ships were also used. The Queen assumed these Protestants would help fuel the anti-Roman feelings developing in England. The ships from Rotterdam landed, in part, at Deptford and the refugees were sent to one of three camps at Deptford, Camberwell, and Blackheath outside the city wall of London. Many Londoner's welcomed the Palatines, but the poor were not, as they felt their English food was being taken from them to feed the Germans. British newspapers published mixed accounts of the Palatines, some praising them while others cursed them. "Over 3,000 of these Palatines were sent to Ireland, again to reinforce the Protestant faith in that land. The trip from England to Ireland was short, taking only about 24 hours." **************************************************************************** *** Information to Jan Hornick of Englewood, Colorado from Walt Hornick of Ontario, Canada, <[email protected]>, 18 March 2000: "In a book called The Irish Palatines of Ontario by Carolyn Head there is a paragraph referring to the Hornicks of Wexford County...'The Palatines found themselves in a particulary unpleasant situation, being Protestants at a time when sectarian fever ran high. Not only were they Protestants, but the Palatines, following on visits from John Wesley, had also become Methodists...which made them even more ostentatious. The situation was exacerbated by an incident that had occurre about twenty years before with the wave of Whiteboy terrorism that swept over the county. George Hornick, a Palatine, had formed a Whiteboy Defense League after successfully repelling an attaack of Whiteboys on his house in 1775. When the Rebellion came, Hornick was singled out for special treatment and was piked to death. The town of Old Ross was violently attacked, all but four of the 100 houses torched and burned to the ground.'" "In our family history Phillip Hornick was shot in front of the Scullabogue House and his body burned along with other loyalists in a barn at Scullabogue.....A distant cousin of mine has a silver watch that Phillip had on his person at the time, the watch was used to identify the body. The watch was severely damaged, but is kept in a display case." **************************************************************************** *** Walt also wrote on 2 March 2000, in response to Jan's inquiry for sources - Jan wrote on 1 March 2000: "John Georg Hornigh (Hornick), immigrant to Ireland from the Palatinate, is shown as born in 1671. Do you happen to know the source of that? His son, George, is shown as being born in 1794, which must be an error as his son Philip is shown marrying in 1738. It would be so great if we could 'fill in the gaps' on our joint Hornick lines!" Walt answered, including his lineage, on 2 March 2000: "JOHN GEORGE HORNICK BORN 1671 GEORGE HORNICK PHILIP HORNICK PHILIP HORNICK JOHN HORNICK BORN 1765 JOHN WHITNEY HORNICK BORN 1818 JOHN WILLIAM HORNICK BORN 1855 GARNET SHERMAN HORNICK BORN 1892 GARNET DOUGLAS HORNICK BORN 1919 WALTER DOUGLAS HORNICK BORN 1942 "It can be really confusing because of the use of similar names.....JOHN WHITNEY HORNICK HAD BROTHERS, ROBERT, ALEXANDER, PHILIP, THOMAS, GEORGE, PETER, HE ALSO HAD UNCLES ,JOHN, GEORGE AND GREAT UNCLES THOMAS, GEORGE, PHILIP "PETER HORNICK, THE FATHER OF JOHN AND WILLIAM (FATHER OF CW HORNICK) WAS PROBABLY A BROTHER OF JOHN WHITNEY....I SAY THAT WILLIAM WAS A BROTHER OF JOHN BECAUSE CW WAS REFERRED TO AS JOHN'S NEPHEW IN JOHN'S OBIT...CW ALSO WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT JOHN HORNICK WAS ASSOCIATED WITH..IT LOOKS LIKE WILLIAM DIED YOUNG AND JOHN BECAME CW'S MENTOR....GIVEN THE STATE OF RECORDS ITS HARD TO CONFIRM ANYTHING ..................REGARDS WALT" **************************************************************************** *** HISTORY: On 11 Feb 2000 Walt Hornick sent the following information written by Lydia Hornick of Canada in 1983. See Jan Hornick's "Hornick Genealogy" e-mail file for the original of the following information, entered as exactly as possible: "The Hornicks - Part I - compiled by Lydia Hornick and aided by Trudy Hornick, researchers at Trinity College, Dublin Ireland and many Hornick relatives. "The Hornicks In Ireland" "From R. Keogh's book entitled England "Families called Hornick's, Hatrick's and Poole's settled in Old Ross County, Wexford, Ireland about the Tenth Century. They came from North England". Thus wrote the researcher from Trinity College, Dublin. "As a result of the above information I [presumably Lydia Hornick] went to the genealogical section of the Metropolitan Toronto Reference Library. They could give me no information about F. Keogh or his book "England". I searched quickly through the History of Wexford and I could find no reference to Hornicks in the area during the tenth to seventeenth centuries. "A report of search made by Trinity College, Dublin follows. 'There seems no doubt but that the family of Hornicks were of Palatine origin and were settled in Ireland by 1709 near Old Ross. They were presumably settled as tenants on the Ram estates. Among those of Palatine origin who settled near Old Ross is one John George Hornigh aged 38 years in 1709. He is listed in the Census of Palatines in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" by Hank James. "Free holders of land registered in Wexford County were John Hornigh 1748, likely the son of John George above; John Hornick in 1758 and George Hornick in 1759, in all possibility the two latter were grandsons of John George mentioned in above paragraph. "The Hornick families evidently suffered considerably during the 1798 insurrection as five Hornicks' claims for damages are entered in the Report of the Commissions which inquired as to losses. "The Hornicks who received compensation for losses suffered in 1798 were Elizabeth Hornick, Mount Nebo, John Hornick Old Ross, George Hornick, Gerrane, Peter Hornick, Old Ross and Thomas Hornick, Gerrane. "During the rebellion of 1798 the rebels sought out Protestants living in and about Ross, Duncannon, and Newton-bary. These were the only places in Wexford County occupied by loyalists. Some were taken to the rebel camp. Others were put into the house and barn of Mr. King of Sculabogue. On June 9, 1798 the bar was burned. During the time the barn was in flames, according to the information in the book 'Philip Hornick was shot in front of the Scullabogue house', p. 101. George Hornick of Kell-Anne had two sons living in Enniscorthy. One was a clergyman and the other son was an apprentice to an apothecary. They were both killed by the rebels. George Hornick was Philip Hornick's nephew. Philip Hornick had a heavy silver watch in his pocket. This watch served as identification when his family sought for him among the dead at Scullabogue. This watch is in the possession of Leonard Brown, Windsor, Ont. Leonard Brown's mother was Anne Hornick, the youngest daughter of John Whitney Hornick. Anne said that the watch had belonged to her great grandfather. Herbert Hornick said his grandfather had been John Hornick. John's brother George migrated to Canada and brought with him his wife Sarah and son Philip in 1831. "The Hornicks who attended Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland were John Hornick, son of George, from 1765-83 [Are these broad time spans correct? jgh], leaving with his matric; George Hornick, son of George Agricola attending from 1775-99 graduating with a B.A. degree; George Hornick, son of Philip attending from 1814-42 graduating with a B.A. degree; Robert Hornick son of John Hornick attending from 1816-36 and leaving with his matric; Thomas Little Hornick, son of Philip attending from 1822-1850 receiving his matric in 1844 and his B.A. in 1850. All were born in Wexford and from the dates it appears that they obtained all their schooling at Trinity College or schools under its sponsorship. "The following Hornick marriages recorded in Ireland were sent to me by Trinity College, Dublin. "Peter Hornick and Elizabeth Poole 1777 Eliza Hornick and Samuel Buttle 1785 Mary Hornick and Charles Cooper 1793 Philip Hornick and Elizabeth Gifford 1797 Mary Hornick and Chapman Graham 1793 Lydia Hornick and Thomas Bassett 1801 Joseph Hornick and Sarah Dowdall 1806 Anne Hornick and William Hartrick 1806 Ann Hornick and Samuel Boyce 1806 John Hornick and Sarah Boyce 1812 Philip Hornick and Anne Dalton 1803 Mary Hornick and Thomas Horton 1820 Elizabeth Hornick and Michael Sexsmith 1822 Thomas Hornick and Anne Mitchell 1824 John Hornick and Mary Whitney 1825 William Hornick and Ann Mathers 1827 Thomas Hornick and Eliza Langford 1828 "Griffith's Valuation lists only four Hornick householders in Wexford County in 1853. Emigration had thus reduced the number of Hornicks left in Ireland." --27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com--