Thanks Matt, I can always depend on you to give us valuable information about the spelling and pronunciation in German and English. NOTE you said: they came in 1708....CORRECTION THEY DEPARTED England Jan. 1709.....I think you probably just inadvertently hit the wrong key and I'm only mentioning it in order to eliminate any possibility of an incorrect date being carried forth, we have enough of that already......KWIM? LOL! In a message dated 7/22/2013 3:25:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mward39@bellsouth.net writes: Someone in the group found a listing for a family that came with the Baron von Graffenreid's colony in 1708 that was listed as Krenig.