Thanks Demitri, in reference to your message entered at the very bottom, I agree, years later, the Anglo spelling was finally established as Koonce but earlier documents for George Koonce AND our George Kornegay had many different surname spellings. I think on this specific Aug. 1713 document; "Jacob Miller/Muller took these two orphans into his care and appointed to appraise their estates." the surname was spelled Cones.....And [Cones?] is exactly the way Charles Kornegay wrote it in his published book. But I never could understand why Charles did enter Cones [which appears to be the earliest spelling on NC documents], but entered the later established Kornegay [instead of the way it was actually spelled on the earliest NC documents]...Whew! Clear as mud? AND to validate the above I also found at < http://newbern.cpclib.org/research/settlers.htm > New Bern-Craven Co. Public Library-Swiss and Palatines to New Bern and extracted these from a long list: 1. "George Coons, also Cones, currently Koonce; orphaned in 1712, bound to Jacob Miller; 1740 petitioner." 2. "George Kenege 1733 petition (as Carnepy); 1740 petitioner (as Connegue); 1747 petitioner. Present spelling, Kornegay." So currently I am ASSUMING...Kenege IS the earliest surname spelling for our George. But I would like to have a copy of the original document so I can eliminate all of this explaining from my records....KWIM? And as for George Coons>Cones>Koonce, could he be the son: George Kurtz age 37, wife, son age 12, daughters -0- Lutheran? .....see more detailed discernment below Bottom line: The primary reason I want my records to have the original spelling for the surname exactly as written on each document is to see if it is similar to John Krenig the latest *possible candidate* for the father of our George Kornegay. And another reason is: I have the above said facts listed as one [of the several different] "Circumstantial Evidence" for John Krenig family being our Immigrant Ancestors. And other evidence is: John Krenig, Jacob Mueller, Peter Fischer, George Kurtz [and also others familiar names] are all on the:"List of poor German Palatines from the Palatinate who arrived at St. Catherin's [sic] June 11, 1709, taken at St. Catherine's [sic] and Debtford, June 15; all are listed under the heading of Husbandman & Vinedressers and members of Reformed Church, which probably means they all left Germany together; arrived in England at same time; and all, or descendants of all, with same similar surnames are later found on documents in NC as: George Kenege>Carnepy>Connegue [and various other spellings]>Kornegay; Jacob Miller [Muller], Mary Fisher, and George Coons>Cones>Koonce?]. Re: Peter Fischer age 36, wife, sons -0- daughters age 5-2 - NOTE: dates fit for one of these daughters to be Mary Fisher. Although, there is NO proof that Mary Fisher is the name of the first wife of George Kornegay the "circumstantial evidence" is: George & Mary's children gave Fisher as the middle name for their children, i.e., their only daughter Mary named her only daughter by 2nd marriage to DeBruhl, Mary Fisher DeBruhl; their son William named one of his sons George Fisher Kornegay [Sr.] and he named one of his sons George Fisher Kornegay [Jr]; and Joseph [also son of William] named one of his sons George Fisher Kornegay....and there may be others that I am not aware of. And I must reiterate, one evidence that I have that John Krenig IS father of George is based on the fact that he [George and Mary] named their first son John, which could mean he was named after his grandfather John Krenig which does fit the German naming pattern customarily used during this time frame, i.e., first son named after father's father. O heck, I now realize the above does NOT cover everything as exacting as I do have it in my notes section and too late smart, I realize I should have copied/pasted it all...instead of trying to extract portions. And if no one else has all of the above said information, plus more ....which did take hours of grueling work, I will be happy to send what I have to you in order to eliminate you from having to spend time to do what I have already done. Plus, I would also like to get feed back from others, i.e, corrections, additions and opinions, etc. PULEEESE...REMAIN MINDFUL: Although I currently have John Krenig connected as *possibly* father of George Kornegay, I must add I think a possible candidate is also: Johan Genedig, wife and three children in the 3rd party to depart from Rotterdam for London 11 June 1709, and found on the list that arrived in London 20 June 1709 as: John Gnaedig, age 40, Catholic, carpenter Wife, Sons, age 11 and 5, Daughter age 1. Rohrbach thinks Genedig/Gnaedig is an English speaker's corruption of Gnäge [source: 11-20-2004 from Richard Hite that he found in book "Even More Palatine Families" in section for Kornegays by Lewis Bunker Rohrbach]. AND he may be even a better candidate [than John Krenig] for the father of our George based on: he did have 2 sons age 11 and 5 in 1709 and the 5 year old son, does fit to be our George [Kornegay] which would mean he was born about 1704 and also fits to be the "young boy"..."little fellow" from Graffenried's account, which means he would be about age 7 in 1711[and the 11 year old son in 1709 that would be age 13 in 1711 seems less likely to be referred to "young boy"--"little fellow"]. And to reiterate: John Krenig only had one son age 6 in 1709 [=born about 1703] leaving one to have to *assume* he had another son born between June 1709 and September 1711 in order to account for the brother that George told Graffenried had been killed along with the rest of his family. However, the major problem here is that so far I have not been successful in finding the specific said list that Rohrbach apparently found somewhere, and without it, no logical discernment can be made without knowing the other names that are also on this list in order to see if any ended up in NC. Sincerely, ~Kuzin Kathlynn~ **************************************** 7-10-2013 6:49:29 A.M. From: nerokorn@aol.com To: kornegay@rootsweb.com Subj: Re: [KORNEGAY] Early Documents for George Kornegay - Demitri C. Kornegay writes: Kathlynn, My readings regarding what was called the Tuscora Massacre around 1711 had George Koonce as the other survivor who were made Wards of the Governor.