Hi Patty, in reference to your email sent today, 7-10-2013 4:40 PM "Jacob Muller (Miller) the Swiss School Master." Am I understanding correctly this claim came from the same book you mentioned, or better said in question form: what is the basis for this claim? I do well remember all along throughout the past many, many years you have always said you thought he could be Swiss from Switzerland....and who knows anything for sure...certainly not I. Anyway, fwiw, I sending you what I have in my notes section regarding this specific issue, which is 1 of several facts that I have listed under Circumstantial Evidence: 1. The surname Krenig is the only one found on this specific list of Palatines, that arrived in May and June 1709, that is any where close to the surname spelling found later on documents in North Carolina for George Renegee [which could be just a transcription error and should be Kenegee], Kenegee, Kenege, Kenegy, Kernage, Kernegee, Connegue and various other spellings found on documents before it finally became the Anglicized Kornegay spelling many years later. PLUS two other descendant/researchers believe he is our ancestor: [1] Patricia Brown Hoffman constantly stated throughout the years: "I have a note in my records which I may have told you about before but that goes like this: One researcher unknown, at present, feels that from the study of passengers, 6,520 in all, has concluded that JOHN KRENIG, age 40 with wife, son age 6 and dau. age 11 is our ancestor" ... "I never really felt that we belonged to the John HORNICH Family and I have always felt good about the possibility of John KRENIG being our man, I also think there is a good possibility that we are going to turn out to be SWISS rather than GERMAN? I have nothing concrete to base this on, just a hunch." ... "I have also seen claims that Jacob Mueller is SWISS." [2] And much to my amazement, 4 years later on 8/1/2011, while browsing thru my hard copies I discover [or re-discovered] that my TN cousin, Tabitha *Francis* Ward Waller also has this same John Krenig family as our immigrant ancestors. I could not believe I've had her family history records for 20+ years and had this on my manually kept genealogy records, and apparently forgot about it later when I went to computer and blindly accepted the claim circulating in cyberspace at the time that John George Hornigh was our Immigrant ancestor and accepted that as fact and just tucked poor John Krenig away and totally forgot about having him on my older records from the get-go. It is very interesting that Francis has the exact same information as stated on the list I found except she has: "Johan Krenig b: 1669 in the Upper Palatinate region of the Rhine Valley in Germany. He was a farmer and member of the Reform Church." And the above said list I found has: John [not Johan] Krenig, German Palatine from the Palatinate, and it doesn't have anything about Upper Palatinate region of Rhine Valley. Wish I knew where Francis got this extra bit of information? Then after the whole list of Circumstantial Evidence I have: CONCLUSION Assuming John Krenig IS our ancestor and based on this said England document and North Carolina documents it is without doubt that our ancestors, George Kornegay and his parents [regardless of the name or the spelling of the surname] were German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany. Although this does not prove their born location, it seems highly likely that it *could be* the born location of George, and *possibly* his parents. And IF this John Krenig IS our immigrant ancestor and father of George Kornegay I see no reason to doubt he and Jacob Mueller, Peter Fischer and their families [and also all of the other on this list], ARE, clearly and without doubt, German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany. And I must add another considering factor that Mueller IS German: years ago my son, when he was in his teen's, worked for Hans Mueller owner of a local German Meet Processing Company in Dallas, TX. Therefore, I believe it can totally be eliminated that our immigrant ancestor family OR Jacob Mueller could possible be Swiss from Switzerland. And then in another place I have: I am NOT saying that it is not possible that our ancestor family were a part of the Palatines that came in Graffenried's second group from Switzerland, however, I am saying that I believe if they were they were still German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany, who at this time were Expatriates in Switzerland, and I make this statement based on page 1 of aforesaid book published by Charles Dewey Kornegay: "At one time nearly every well-to-do family in Switzerland had one or more refugees quartered upon it by order of the government"..."Twenty Thousands of the homeless went to England where they soon became a burden and an embarrassment to Queen Anne. Switzerland, as well as England, was overrun with thousands of refugees from the Palatinate and from France." Now, I've said all of this to reinforce my point: Even IF our ancestor family was among the 2nd group that Graffenried brought from Switzerland, I believe they are none the less GERMAN PALATINES FROM THE PALATINATE [not Swiss from Switzerland]. Patty, I value your expert discernment...Soooo, will you tell me if you still believe it is possible that Kornegays OR Millers he could be Swiss from Switzerland? ~Kathlynn~

http://www.knappenberger.net/GermanImmigrantsToPA.pdf "The early German immigrants to Pennsylvania, ... were predominantly from parts of SW Germany, known today as the states of Rhineland-Palatinate (Rheinland- Pfaltz) and Baden-Wuerttemberg. Others came from nearby German communities just over the border in Switzerland and in Alsace, France. Collectively they were all referred to as "Palatines" or "Palatinates" in the historical literature." --Richard A. Newhouse And while correct spelling of names is a 19th century concept, putting all the variants in a list is a pretty good way of coming close to an early pronunciation of the name. Steven Rowe (descendant of Ida Jackson Kornegay) On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:00 PM, <Kathlynn3@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Patty, in reference to your email sent today, 7-10-2013 4:40 PM "Jacob > Muller (Miller) the Swiss School Master." Am I understanding correctly > this claim came from the same book you mentioned, or better said in question > form: what is the basis for this claim? I do well remember all along > throughout the past many, many years you have always said you thought he could be > Swiss from Switzerland....and who knows anything for sure...certainly not > I. > > Anyway, fwiw, I sending you what I have in my notes section regarding this > specific issue, which is 1 of several facts that I have listed under > Circumstantial Evidence: > 1. The surname Krenig is the only one found on this specific list of > Palatines, that arrived in May and June 1709, that is any where close to the > surname spelling found later on documents in North Carolina for George Renegee > [which could be just a transcription error and should be Kenegee], > Kenegee, Kenege, Kenegy, Kernage, Kernegee, Connegue and various other spellings > found on documents before it finally became the Anglicized Kornegay spelling > many years later. PLUS two other descendant/researchers believe he is our > ancestor: [1] Patricia Brown Hoffman constantly stated throughout the > years: "I have a note in my records which I may have told you about before but > that goes like this: One researcher unknown, at present, feels that from > the study of passengers, 6,520 in all, has concluded that JOHN KRENIG, age 40 > with wife, son age 6 and dau. age 11 is our ancestor" ... "I never really > felt that we belonged to the John HORNICH Family and I have always felt > good about the possibility of John KRENIG being our man, I also think there is > a good possibility that we are going to turn out to be SWISS rather than > GERMAN? I have nothing concrete to base this on, just a hunch." ... "I have > also seen claims that Jacob Mueller is SWISS." [2] And much to my > amazement, 4 years later on 8/1/2011, while browsing thru my hard copies I discover > [or re-discovered] that my TN cousin, Tabitha *Francis* Ward Waller also > has this same John Krenig family as our immigrant ancestors. I could not > believe I've had her family history records for 20+ years and had this on my > manually kept genealogy records, and apparently forgot about it later when > I went to computer and blindly accepted the claim circulating in cyberspace > at the time that John George Hornigh was our Immigrant ancestor and > accepted that as fact and just tucked poor John Krenig away and totally forgot > about having him on my older records from the get-go. It is very interesting > that Francis has the exact same information as stated on the list I found > except she has: "Johan Krenig b: 1669 in the Upper Palatinate region of the > Rhine Valley in Germany. He was a farmer and member of the Reform > Church." And the above said list I found has: John [not Johan] Krenig, German > Palatine from the Palatinate, and it doesn't have anything about Upper > Palatinate region of Rhine Valley. Wish I knew where Francis got this extra bit > of information? > > Then after the whole list of Circumstantial Evidence I have: CONCLUSION > Assuming John Krenig IS our ancestor and based on this said England document > and North Carolina documents it is without doubt that our ancestors, George > Kornegay and his parents [regardless of the name or the spelling of the > surname] were German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany. Although this > does not prove their born location, it seems highly likely that it *could > be* the born location of George, and *possibly* his parents. And IF this > John Krenig IS our immigrant ancestor and father of George Kornegay I see no > reason to doubt he and Jacob Mueller, Peter Fischer and their families > [and also all of the other on this list], ARE, clearly and without doubt, > German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany. And I must add another > considering factor that Mueller IS German: years ago my son, when he was in his > teen's, worked for Hans Mueller owner of a local German Meet Processing > Company in Dallas, TX. Therefore, I believe it can totally be eliminated that > our immigrant ancestor family OR Jacob Mueller could possible be Swiss from > Switzerland. > > And then in another place I have: I am NOT saying that it is not possible > that our ancestor family were a part of the Palatines that came in > Graffenried's second group from Switzerland, however, I am saying that I believe if > they were they were still German Palatines from the Palatinate in Germany, > who at this time were Expatriates in Switzerland, and I make this > statement based on page 1 of aforesaid book published by Charles Dewey Kornegay: > "At one time nearly every well-to-do family in Switzerland had one or more > refugees quartered upon it by order of the government"..."Twenty Thousands of > the homeless went to England where they soon became a burden and an > embarrassment to Queen Anne. Switzerland, as well as England, was overrun with > thousands of refugees from the Palatinate and from France." Now, I've said > all of this to reinforce my point: Even IF our ancestor family was among the > 2nd group that Graffenried brought from Switzerland, I believe they are > none the less GERMAN PALATINES FROM THE PALATINATE [not Swiss from > Switzerland]. > > Patty, I value your expert discernment...Soooo, will you tell me if you > still believe it is possible that Kornegays OR Millers he could be Swiss > from Switzerland? > ~Kathlynn~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message