helpful to see in one spot. Has peaked my interest. Sheila Butler -----Original Message----- From: Matt Ward <mward39@bellsouth.net> To: kornegay <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 22, 2013 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] IsThisJohnKrenigFamilyOurImmigrantAncestors/fatherOfGeorgeKornegay+Discernment: I have a theory that the "gay" ending may have come about by listening to the German speaking immigrant say his family name in the plural. Here is a Q & A between me and a native German speaking friend: On Jul 13, 2013, at 17:07, "Matt Ward" <mward39@bellsouth.net> wrote: Stefan, you are my German expert. Our genealogical group on the internet is discussing the likely surname that we believe got corrupted into "Kornegay". Even though it is spelled as you see it, it is pronounced like Kenege. (Kuh NEE ghee). Someone in the group found a listing for a family that came with the Baron von Graffenreid's colony in 1708 that was listed as Krenig. The baron brought both poor Palatines from the Palatinate of Germany and Swiss immigrants (most likely German speaking Swiss). I was wondering what a German speaker would say if they were telling the record keeper their family name and pluralized it like I might say "We are the Wards." What would be the German pluralization of Krenig? Could it be Krenige? (Which would sound an awful lot like Kuh Nee ghee.) Matt Hello Matt & greetings from Chicago! I'm thinking about examples that would be similar to the hypothesized pluralization. It sounds very plausible in general. I'm thinking about all the family names I know and how we would colloquially or in dialect refer to them in plural. It could also be the this might be the genitive case, i.e. of the Krenig family, as in "die/der Krenige(r) Kinder" or "der Kreniger Hof". Also, "die Krenigere or die Krenige" could stand for, "she who is from the Krenig family or from the Krenig farm." Another example would be the plural of "Fremdling". We would often refer to them in plural as the "Fremdlinge", which is a the same time a pun on the original meaning of the name. Let me think about the a bit more. Stefan -------------------------------------------------- From: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 12:25 PM To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KORNEGAY]IsThisJohnKrenigFamilyOurImmigrantAncestors/fatherOfGeorgeKornegay+Discernment: > After sending this personally to those who ask for it, I decided to send > to > list for review and ask for corrections/additions/opinion? It's lengthy > and I realize sometime redundant because I tried to "dot every i and cross > every t."...... Hope it's not to lengthy for rootsweb to accept. > > WORKING NOTES for immigrant ancestor family of George Kornegay, compiled, > 2008-2013, by descendant Kathlynn SIMPSON Arledge-Johnson. > > PREFACE [CAVEAT]: John George Hornigh family was previously believed > to be our ancestor family, however current research has PROVED they are > NOT OUR immigrant ANCESTORS. This family WENT from the Palatinate in > Germany > to London, England and then TO IRELAND and has many proven descendants in > Ireland where the surname is aka as Hornich: Document preserved in the > British Museum Library, London, England, Board of Trade, Misc., Vol 2 - > Page > 57. 6 May 1709 - A list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > Palatinate into this Kingdom Tolsen in St. Catherine's. Hornigh, John > George, > age 38 years, wife, 2 sons age 8 and 2, and 2 daughters age 12 and 10, > member of Reformed Church, Husbandman and Wine dresser. > Extensive research in Germany and Switzerland produced no document that > will prove without doubt who our immigrant ancestors are, and probably > never > will, based on the fact that documents were destroyed during the > centuries > of ongoing wars, religious upheaval, destruction and other horrifically > devastating situations that took place during this time frame. > Although research has been ongoing it is a very difficult task to search > for the family of our George Kornegay because there is no one specific > surname spelling to search for based on the fact his surname is found > spelled so > many different ways on the earlier North Carolina documents [see entered > below]. > Some researchers have continuously said, throughout the years, they > believe our ancestor family [and Jacob Miller family] could be Swiss from > Switzerland and were with Graffenried's second group that departed > Switzerland > July 1710, and the originally Swiss surname for Kornegay starts with "G" > i.e., Gnaegi, Gnegy, Gnagi, Gnecki, Gnage, etc...vs...German surnames > starting > with "K" i.e., Knege, Kenege, Knag, Knegi, Knecky, Kinige in addition to > the other variations. However, I have never understood why this was ever > considered a possibility based on the fact we always had North Carolina > documents [see below] for both, our ancestor George and Jacob Miller and > many > others in North Carolina, purporting to be Palatines and they came with > Graffenried in 1709. And now we have the following documents which > clearly > identifies them as Palatines from the Palatinate when they arrived in > London, > England on 11 June 1709. And from other sources we know they departed > England > in Jan. 1709. [NOTE the Julian Calendar was in use at this time and a > year > was from March 25 to March 25 which means 1st. group arrived in England > on > June 11, 1709 departed with Baron Christoph von Graffenried seven months > later, January 1709, and six months later, in July 1710, 2nd group > departed > with him from Switzerland. CONCLUSION: in my humble opinion any > speculations that they were Swiss from Switzerland can now be totally > eliminated, i.e. > until proven otherwise. > ................end of preface................. > > CURRENTLY I believe OUR GERMAN PALATINE IMMIGRANT ANCESTOR FAMILY FROM > THE > PALATINATE IN GERMANY is [possibly]: John Krenig born 1669, wife name and > age unknown, and in 1709 they had one daughter name unknown born 1698 and > one son born 1703 [source: Document 1 below]. Of course this is not the > proof one prefers to have, however the following CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE > seem > to lend credence to this possibility. NOTE all following statements are > based on documents below or in each said individuals notes section: > 1. John Krenig family is the only one found on this specific list of > Palatines with the surname that is any where close to the spelling found > later > on documents in North Carolina for George including but not limited to: > Knege, Kenege, Kernagy, Kernegy, Kneegee, Knigge, Kornagy, Kornegee, > Korneagy, Korneghke, Hernegay, Renegee, Corneque, and various other > spellings....before it finally became the Anglicized Kornegay spelling > many years later. > a. And on this same list with John Krenig, is Jacob Mueller, Peter > Fischer, George Kurtz [to be addressed in more detail below], and they or > their > descendants are all found later on North Carolina documents purporting to > be Palatines. Which means they left Germany together, arrived in England > together, departed from England together and arrived in North Carolina > together, and this may indicate they knew each other in Germany because > they were > all in the same business, or perhaps they were all close friends and > neighbors. > b. John Krenig's 6 year old son [born 1703] does fit to be George > Kornegay. > c. George named his first son John which could mean he was named after > his grandfather John Krenig which does fit the 18th Century German Naming > Customs that was customarily used during this time frame i.e., first born > son > named after father's father. > d. Plus, descendant/researchers Patricia Brown Hoffman, has constantly > stated throughout the years "One researcher unknown, at present, feels > that > from the study of passengers, 6,520 in all, has concluded that JOHN > KRENIG, > age 40 with wife, son age 6 and daughter age 11 is our ancestor" ... "I > never really felt that we belonged to the John HORNICH Family and I have > always felt good about the possibility of John KRENIG being our man, I > also > think there is a good possibility that we are going to turn out to be > SWISS > rather than GERMAN? I have nothing concrete to base this on, just a > hunch." > ... "I have also seen claims that Jacob Mueller is SWISS." > e. And, on 8-1-2011 after finding John Krenig on 3-16-2008, while > browsing thru my hard copies I discover [or re-discovered] that my TN > cousin, > Tabitha *Francis* Ward Waller also has this same John Krenig family as > our > immigrant ancestors. I could not believe I've had her family history > records > on group sheets [but this said document was not included] for 20+ years > and > had this on my manually kept genealogy records and apparently forgot > about > it later when I went to computer and blindly accepted the claim > circulating in cyberspace at the time that John George Hornigh was our > Immigrant > ancestor and now it appears that I accepted that as fact and just tucked > poor > John Krenig away and totally forgot about having him on my older records > from the get-go. It is very interesting that Francis has the exact same > information as stated on the list I found except she has: "Johan Krenig > [instead > of John] was born in the Upper Palatinate region of the Rhine Valley in > Germany [instead of just Palatinate in Germany, i.e, nothing about Upper > region of the Rhine Valley]. Wish I knew where Francis got this extra > bit of > information? [f] Conversely, there is one slight KICKER [or reason to > doubt]: John Krenig had only one son in 1709, and in 1711 it's apparent > George > had a brother...based on Graffenried's account while in captivity Sept. > 1711, on page 270-271: "The very same Indian with whom I lodged brought a > young > boy with him, one of my tenants" ... "Weeping bitterly this little fellow > told me that his father, mother, brother, yes, the whole family had been > massacred by this very same Indian." This "young boy-little fellow" is > also > believed to be our George Kornegay based on document stating he was > captured and held hostage by these Indians, until later rescued by the NC > Militia. > CONCLUSION: the only way it would fit for John Krenig family to be the > family of George Kornegay is to *assume* John had another son born after > June > 11,1709 [arrival in England] and Sept. 22, 1711 [Indian Massacre in > NC].....and that is certainly possible. > f. Plus: 3/16/2008 Matt writes: Kathlynn, this [John Krenig family] > looks like a very promising lead. I can't find anything within it to rule > it > out or even cast doubt on its possibility.....3/17/08 Sheila Lawrence > writes: I think this [John Krenig] is a very good lead, its better than > anything > else we have. I did a quick search and there is a mention of a ships > list, > but was lost in the early 1800's and no other list has been found. I did > an > extensive search on this at one time, even contacting a Navy dive expert > who specialized in wrecks in and around the Virginia area. I followed up > on > the pirate ship angle looking for a clue as to what French ships were > known > to be haunting the area during the time they landed, nothing. For some > reason there are not records of ships during that time in that area. > There are > articles that are lost to time and these are proving to be our wall to > traverse in finding our ancestors across the sea.....3/18/2008 Kathy > Kornegay > Chruscielski writes: Kathlynn, This is all very exciting about the > possible > Krenig connection! You are an admirable researcher, meticulous in your > sources and thorough. Thank you for sharing your gift! > OVERALL CONCLUSION: Even if it is later proven John Krenig family is NOT > our ancestor family....based on North Carolina documents it is without > doubt > that our ancestors, George Kornegay and his parents [regardless of the > name or the spelling of the surname] were German Palatines from the > Palatinate > in Germany. Although this does not prove their born location, it seems > highly likely that Germany is *probably* the born location of George, and > *possibly* his parents. And I see no reason to doubt John Krenig, Jacob > Mueller, Peter Fischer and their families [and also all of the other on > this > list], ARE, clearly and without doubt, German Palatines from the > Palatinate in > Germany. And I must add another considering factor that Mueller IS > German: > years ago my son, when he was in his teen's, worked for Hans Mueller > owner > of a local German Meet Processing Company in Dallas, TX. Therefore, it > appears to me it can totally be eliminated that our immigrant ancestor > family > OR Jacob Mueller could be Swiss from Switzerland. > > 2. Re: Jacob Miller in NC, I see no reason to doubt he is the same > person as Jacob Mueller on the list, therefore he was born 1659 [NOTE > John > Krenig born 1669] and in 1709 Jacob had wife, name & born date unknown, 1 > daughter born 1695 [which fits to be Sevil] and 1 son born 1703 [same as > our > George Kornegay, assuming he IS son of John Krenig]. > a. And what lends more credence for John Krenig family being our > ancestors is the Aug. 1713 document: Jacob Miller took orphans George > Kornegay > [sic] and George [Cones?] [sic] into his care after all of their family > members were killed in the September 22, 1711 Tuscarora Indian Massacre > [source: > book Kornegay History published by Charles Kornegay]. NOTE Charles states > his notes were taken from 1712-1713 Court Minutes, North Carolina State > Department of Archives and History, Raleigh. It seems apparent Charles > replace > the surname, whatever it was on the original document, with the Kornegay > surname that wasn't even firmly established until years later. I highly > suspect the surname on the document is Kenege based on: "George Kenege > 1733 > petition (as Carnepy); 1740 petitioner (as Connegue); 1747 petitioner. > Present > spelling, Kornegay." [source: Swiss & Palatines to New Bern from New Bern > Craven Co., Library site < http://newbern.cpclib.org/research/settlers.htm >>]. OR Kneegee which is the way it is spelled on this very same document in > different publication I found at the main Downtown Dallas Co. Library. I > will never understand how two different transcriptions for the same > document > could have the surname spelled different, or why anyone would change > anything on the original document. > CONCLUSION: Definitely NEED COPY OF ORIGINAL 1713 DOCUMENT, which appears > to be the first and earliest document, to see the exact spelling of the > surname for orphan George and if it is similar to Krenig. > > 3. Re: George [Cones?], this surname is also spelled many different > ways until it was finally established as Koonce. And it appears he may be > the > son of George Kurtz age 37 [=born 1672], wife, son age 12 [=George Cones > > > Coons > Koonce] born 1697, daughters -0- Lutheran [see document below]. > My > sole purpose for even mentioning this is the fact that Jacob took this > orphan boy in also and it could mean George Kurtz was also a friend or > acquaintance of Jacob Mueller/Miller & Peter Fischer/Fisher in Germany and > then > later in North Carolina which may be another added factor for John Krenig > being our man. > > 4. Re: Peter Fischer, born 1673, and in 1709 had wife, name and age > unknown, sons -0- and 2 daughters age 5 [=born 1704] and 2 [=born 1707]: > a. I think it is highly possible he is the father of Mary Fisher, > based > on dates fit for one of his daughters to be Mary and my best guess she is > the one born 1704. Although there is NO PROOF it seems to be the common > consensus of all researchers that she was the first wife of George > Kornegay. > I think the primary *CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE* for Fisher being her > maiden > name is based on: their only daughter, Mary Kornegay Simmons DeBruhl, > named > her only daughter MARY FISHER DeBRUHL by 2nd. husband, Edward Cornwallis > DeBruhl; their son William Kornegay [Sr] named a son GEORGE FISHER > KORNEGAY > [Sr] and he named a son GEORGE FISHER KORNEGAY [Jr]; Joseph Kornegay > [also > a son of George Fisher Kornegay, Sr.] named a son GEORGE FISHER KORNEGAY, > and there may be others that I am not aware of. Caveat: This discernment > is > based only on documents I have or have ever seen or heard about, and > thereby assuming there was only one immigrant Fisher family in North > Carolina, > thence progenitor of all Fishers. And this is not to say that there may > be > documents for some other Fisher in NC that I do not have which would > change > this whole speculative discernment. And there is a possibility that Mary > could have descended from the John Fisher on Jamestowne Society Qualifying > Ancestors list, via one of his descendants that could have moved at a > later > date to NC. > b. NOTEWORTHY MENTION: Mary Kornegay [daughter of George and Mary] > married 1st. Daniel Simmons, son of John Simmons & Margrett Bussett from > [German speaking] Village of Buchs, Switzerland [undocumented claim from > another > researcher]. Although there are no Simons/Simmons or Buset/Bussett found > on this specific said list taken in England there are North Carolina > documents for a John Simons in 1740, and a John and Daniel Simons and > Abraham > Buset in 1747 and on both documents they are Purporting to be Palatines > or > descendants of Palatines [see document below]. Although, it *could mean* > they > DID come with Graffenried's 2nd group from Switzerland, however, to me > that > doesn't mean they were actually Swiss born in Switzerland, instead it > most > likely means at this time they were Expatriates in Switzerland, i.e., a > person temporarily, or permanently, residing in a country and culture > other > than their birth-upbringing] in Switzerland. And I am basing this last > statement on: "Twenty Thousands of the homeless went to England where they > soon > became a burden and an embarrassment to Queen Anne. Switzerland, as well > as England, was overrun with thousands of refugees from the Palatinate and > from France. At one time nearly every well-to-do family in Switzerland > had > one or more refugees quartered upon it by order of the government." > [Source: > Charles Dewey Kornegay book, page 1]. > c. Now, I've said all of this to reinforce my point, i.e., IF my > overall understanding is correct: Even IF it is determined later that > this John > Krenig family is NOT our immigrant family and a more likely family is > found > that came with Graffenried 2nd group from Switzerland, I believe George > and > his family are none the less GERMAN PALATINES FROM THE PALATINATE [not > Swiss from Switzerland]....based on NC documents for George identifying > his-self as a Palatine. And the same is true for Jacob Mueller/Miller, > and the > all of the others. > d. Re: Randolph Fisher, Craven Co., NC LWT written March 31,1747 - > probated July 15, 1751, I think it is possible, if not probable, that he > is son > of Peter Fischer, thence brother of Mary, and Randolph's two sons, Thomas > & George, are grandsons of Peter Fischer. The only KICKER since Peter > Fischer didn't have a son in 1709 when he was in England and to make this > fit > one would have to assume Randolph was born after 1709 and assuming he was > born about 1710 in NC and was about age 22 when his son Thomas was born > about > 1732 and son George born about 1734, which in turn means Randolph died > about age 41, and left minor sons Thomas about age 19 and George about > age 17. > And then that means George at age 15 was one of the witnesses to the1749 > LWT of Thomas Smith....WHEW! Hope I've said all of this correctly. > Anyway, could this mean that Randolph Fisher is not a son of Peter > Fischer? > e. Re: Peter Fischer's other daughter born 1707, I think it is > possible > she married Thomas Smith whose 1749 Craven Co., NC LWT based on this will > was witnessed by: George Kornegay, George Fisher and Jacob Miller [see > document below]. > THE CONUNDRUMS REMAIN: On the documents I have there are NO > Fischers/Fishers orphans listed and NO Fishers Purporting to be Palatines > or Descendants > of Palatines on any of the other said documents: Could this indicate > Peter > was one of many that died during the voyage, or soon after arrival, or > killed in 1711 Indian massacre and thereby leaving his children, Mary, > unknown > daughter and *maybe* new born baby Randolph in the care of his surviving > wife [name unknown]? > CONCLUSION before any in depth discernment can be made, definitely NEED > COMPLETE COPY OF LWT for Randolph and for Thomas Smith instead of these > extractions with very limited information and MORE DOCUMENTS/DISCERNMENT > for > Thomas & George Fisher and Thomas Smith. > **********end of circumstantial evidence************ > > ENGLAND DOCUMENTS: > 1. John Krenig age 40 Husbandman & Vinedresser, wife, son age 6, > daughter age 11, Reformed Church [source: Palatines from Germany to > England in > 1709 - List taken June 15, 1709 at St. Catherine's [sic] and Debtfore of > poor > German Palatines from the Palatinate who arrived at St Catherin's [sic] > June 11th, 1709-Page 1] > > PREFACE - CAVEAT: [1] March 16, 2008 Kathlynn found the above and all of > the following online: > ttp://www.germanroots.home.att.net/1709palatines ---- > However, 5-20-2013, page not found by using the germanroots URL, but I > finally found same documents at: > http://www.genesearch.com/genealogy-records/1709palatines/ [2] The > following entries were extracted from the hundreds of > unnumbered names on the list of May arrivals and hundreds of different > unnumbered names on the June arrivals. [3] I extracted only the familiar > names of the ones found later on documents in North Carolina purporting > to be > Palatines or descendants of Palatines. [4] I entered the numbers beside > their names just as a reminder to show the order in which they are > listed, > i.e, they are not all listed one after the other. [5] And I also added > the > bracketed information. [6] NOTE strange but true....May arrivals page 1 > list > does not include heading for church affiliation, conversely page 2 > format, > that is continued from page 1, does include church. [7] NOTE preface at > the beginning of each page: "AS WITH ANY TRANSCRIPTON OF OLD RECORDS > THERE > MAY BE ERRORS. YOU SHOULD CONSULT THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. > > 6 MAY 1709 FIRST ARRIVALS: "List of all the poor Germans lately come over > from the Palatinate into this Kingdom taken in St. Catherine's." PAGE 1 - > HUSBANDMAN & VINEDRESSERS [114 total families, 852 total of all men, wives > and children. Unrelated but interesting #18 Valentine Presler age 40, > wife, 3 > sons, 2 daughters. Quote from end of list: "Supposed ancestor of Elvis > Presley & Jimmy Carter"]: > 21. John George Hornigh age 38, wife, 2 sons, 2 daughters [previously > believed to be our ancestor family, later proved HE IS NOT, he went to > Ireland]. > 32. Benedict GNAEDI, age 60 [born 1649], wife, son age 24 [born 1685], > daughter age 25 [born 1684]. > He is the only "G" surname...Swiss? found on this list. Nothing fits, > thence, eliminated as a candidate for the family of our > George Kornegay. However, the surname is similar which begs to > question: [a] Could Benedict be the father to Johan Genedig aka > John > GNAEDIG age 40 [born: 1669] Catholic, carpenter, wife, sons age 11 [born > 1698] & 5 [born 1704], daughter age 1 [born 1708]... [from > Richard > Hite see his complete 11-20-2011 post in rootsweb archives]. [b] Could > Benedict's son born 1685...OR one of the sons of Johan > Genedig/John > GNAEDIG be the John Granade listed on Jan 5, 1747 & July 13, 1747 North > Carolina documents? > 106. Valentine Mueller age 23 single [could he connect to Jacob, > Martin, > Henry, Peter Mueller on the June arrivals?] > PAGE 2 - HUSBANDMAN ONLY [total listed 32], continued from page 1. Quote > from cover page [that was NOT on Pg. 1]: Many of these went to America > see > Palatine Ships To New York in 1710. > 26. John Moor, age 25, single, Ref Church [Adam Moor in NC took > Palatine > orphan Peter Engott age 13] > 27. Austin Moor age 22, single, Ref Church. > 28. John Wm Moor age 18, single, Ref Church > [NO familiar names in next entries: Herdsman, Wheelwright, Smiths, > Saddler, Millers > BAKERS [TOTAL 2]: > 2. Daniel Muller age 50 single Reformed Church > [NO familiar names in next entries: Brewer, Butchers, Cloth & Linen > Weavers]. > TAILORS [total listed 3]: > 3. John Adam Koenig, age 30 single. Ref. Church. > SHOEMAKER [total 5] > 1. John Jacob Mueller age 42, wife, sons age 13-12-10-8-6-4, dau. age > 15, Ref. Church [could he connect to June arrival Jacob Mueller?] > [NO familiar names in next entries: Stocking Weaver, Tanner, Carpenters, > Joiners, Masons, Coopers, Bookbinder, Miner]. > [PAGE 3- continued from page 2. NO familiar names in next entries: > Unmarried Persons, Widows, Etc., Unmarried, Such as Entered their Names > Last] > > 11 JUNE 1709 ARRIVALS: "List of poor Palatines taken 15 June 1709 at St. > Catherine's and Debtford." > PAGE 1 - HUSBANDMEN & VINEDRESSERS [family total 143. NOTE this list > does > not have total of men, wives, children at end of the list] > 5. Jacob Mueller age 50, wife, son age 6, daughter, age 14, Reformed > [Jacob Miller took into his care our orphan George see Aug. 1713 > NC > document. > 50. Martin Mueller age 32, wife, sons age 8-6-5, daughter age 2, > Reformed > 58. George Kurtz age 37, wife, son age 12, daughters -0- Lutheran [could > he be father of NC orphan George Coons> Cones> Koonce that > Jacob Miller also took into his care? > 82. JOHN KRENIG age 40, wife, son age 6, daughter age 11, Reformed [also > listed above as Document 1] > 94. John Lutz age 33, wife, sons age 10-7-3, daughters age 14, Reformed > 120. Peter Fischer age 36, wife, sons -0- daughters age 5-2, Reformed > [could he be father of MARY FISHER, 1st. wife of George > Kornegay?.....dates fit.] > 126. Henry Mueller age 34, wife, sons age 4-3, daughter age 1, Reformed > PAGE 2 - HUSBANDMEN & VINEDRESSERS [continued from page 1]: > 53. Peter Mueller, age 45, wife, sons age 18-6-4, daughters -o- > Catholic > [could Henry and Peter connect to Jacob and the other Muellers?] > Page 3 [continued from page 2]: > [NO familiar names found in next entry: Coopers]. > MASONS [total 7]: > 4. David Moor age 36, wife, sons -o-, daughters -o- Reformed [NOTE > John, > Austin and John Wm. Moor listed above in May arrivals and Adam & > Dannis Moor on NC documents as Palatines]. > [NO familiar names found in next entries: Joiners, Wheelwrights, Smiths, > Linen & Cloth Weavers, Tailors, Schoolmasters, Shoemakers, Bricklayers, > Stocking Weavers, Bakers, Huntsmen, Hatters, Glaziers, Buthcher [sic], > Saddler, > Figuremaker, Locksmith, Brickmaker, Herdsman, Surgeon] > MILLERS [total 10]: > 2. Peter Mueller age 45, wife, sons age 15-14-7, daughters age 19-3, > Reformed [NOTE above Peter Mueller # 53=different Peter] > [NO familiar names found in next entries: Widows, Unmarried Women]. > Kathlynn comments: NOTE surnames both Mueller and Muller...could they be > same surname spelled differently? I'm more inclined to believe they are > totally two different surnames and perhaps unrelated. > **********end of England documents*********** > > NORTH CAROLINA DOCUMENTS: > 1. Aug. 1713 Jacob Miller [Muller] took into his care two orphans and > promised to teach them to read and write, to take care of them until 21 > years of age, and have them taught a carpenter's trade. These orphans > were > George Kornegay and George (Cones?)...[source: book published by Charles > Kornegay]. > [Kathlynn keyed exactly as found. NOTE it appears Charles entered the > much later established Anglo Kornegay spelling. I suspect it was either > Knege > or Kneegee. NEED COPY OF ORIGINAL 1712 - 1713 Court Minutes from North > Carolina State Department of Archives and History, Raleigh, NC....to see > what > the original surname spelling is for George and to see if it is similar > to > Krenig]. > > 2. [1747] Petition to King George II from Persons Identifying > Themselves as Palatines or Descendants of Palatines Presented to the > Council at > Whitehall, London 13 July 1747 [Excerpts from the Petition]...your > Petitioners > being sent Six hundred in Number under the care Of Christopher De > Graffenreid [sic] Baronet ... for peopling and Settling Plantations in > North > Carolina... in the year 1709...arrived in America...North Carolina...in > the year > 1711 Indians broke out against and destroyed several Familys [sic]...Our > Trustee (DeGraffenreid) [sic] was taken by the Indians...then came one > Thomas > Pollock who ruled both Governor and County and acted in the behalf as a > General...sent his Captain William Brice to take all the Dutch that was > able to > bear Arms...as soon as Our Trustee departed (from America in 1712 - CRH) > [sic] Colonel Thomas Pollock came to Our Settlements and took every > thing, > even the millstones and left us without any assistance intirely [sic] > Naked > to the Mercy of the Indians...in the year 1747, the 5th day of January > the > Heir of Colonel Thomas Pollock came to our Plantation to turn us off from > Our Possessions by Virtue of Authority in Order to Settle the Rebels the > Scots in our Possessions, it being in the dead time of winter --- not > knowing > which way to go with our familys'. [sic]. SIGNERS OF THE PETITION, > Purporting to be Palatines or Descendants of Palatine Immigrants: Philip > Fennijer > [sic]. Christian Eslar - Herman Grum - Peter Ender (Ander) [sic] - > Joseph > Perger - Adam Moor - Abraham Buset - Dannis Moor - John Granad - John > Rimer > - Michael Gesbel (used to be Kissible, sic] - Christian Bauer - Peter > Reyel - Michael Riser - Henry Morris - Jacob Eibach - Nicholaus Rimer - > John > Kensey - Andrew Wallis - Henry Gerst - JACOB MILLER - Christian Walker - > Matthias Risenover - John Kinsey (name twice) [sic) - Daniel Tetchey - > Peter > Pellman - Abraham Bauer - [used to be Bowers, sic] - Christian Ganter - > Peter Lots [used to be Luttz=sic] - JOHN SIMONS - DANIEL SIMONS - George > Sneider [sic]- Frederick Merkert - Caspar Rishied - John Letger Miller > [sic] - > GEORGE KENEGE - Simon Kehler - Jacob Huber - John Bernhard Shonewoolf - > Christian Slubbach - Philip Omend - Michael Shelffer [source: Charles > Kornegay > book page 12] > [Kathlynn comments: [1] I keyed exactly as found in Charles Kornegay's > publication, except I capitalized the names of the speicfic ones of > interest. > [2] I have other NC documents that clearly shows all of these said people > are "Purporting to be Palatines or Descendants of Palatines," but the > above > is the only one that includes who they are, where they are from, when and > who they came to NC with]. > > 3. 31 Mar 1747 LWT written-probated 15 July 1751] RANDOLPH (X) > FISHER - > Craven Co NC: Imprimis: To my well beloved SON THOMAS FISHER 1 Negro man > named Sam and 1 negro Woman named Bell and 1 feather Bed furniture & 2 > iron > pots 1 large the other small & Cract, 4 puter Basones. 2 puter Dishes and > 8 > puter plates, 1 iron Skillit, F13:15 in current Cash or the Valley > (value?wph) in this providence Bills. Item: To my well beloved SON GEORGE > FISHER 4 > young Negroes namely, Toney, Tom & Sambo & Sorey. Also all my Ready Money > Goods & Chattles Debts & c. after my Debts & Legacy payd. EXE. SON GEORGE > FISHER. Wit: George Graham, Thos. Matchett, Richard Bath. Craven Co Ct. > at > New Bern 3d Tues Jun 1751 proved by George Graham. Lres, Granted issued > 15 > Jul 1751. > > 4. Dec. 20, 1749 Thomas SMITH a planter made his Will in Craven Co NC. > Witness of this will was JACOB MILLER, GEORGE KORNEGAY, GEORGE FISHER. > [Kathlynn comments: NEED copies of original documents for the last two to > replace these extractions with limited information only, to see if > Randolph > names wife, etc. And documents for Thomas & George Fisher > **********end of North Carolina documents *********** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message