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    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Graffenreid and the Palatines
    2. Hi Matt, Great work! I didn't get it before, so thanks for sharing with list. Have you read John Lawsons, "A New Voyage to Carolina" it's full of good information also. Kathlynn

    03/05/2001 07:41:24
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Graffenreid and the Palatines
    2. Matt Ward
    3. Some recent posts have referenced the Palatine settlements in America. I did a report on Graffenried's colony a few years back and posted it to the Kornegay List Serve. Since it has added several new subscribers since then, I am posting it again for those who might not have seen it before. The book is called: "Christoph von Graffenried's account of the founding of New Bern" (A brief summarization of the initial emigration with annotations by Matt Ward) After the colonization of New Bern and the subsequent failures of Graffenried to make it successful financially, he returned to his homeland and wrote a defense of his efforts. He had been severely criticized for the many hardships and deaths that the colony had suffered and had been accused of undertaking the colonization imprudently to the disadvantage and ruin of many. His treatise has been published under the title Christoph von Graffenried's account of the founding of New Bern. The volume from which the summary below was taken was reproduced from a 1920 edition (German and French versions, with an English translation of each) in the North Carolina Collection, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill,. It was reprinted in 1973 with permission of the North Carolina State Office of Archives and History by The Reprint Company, Spartanburg, South Carolina; ISBN 0-87152-141-5; Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 73-2697. I have recently learned (June, 1998) that reprints are available for $12.95 plus postage from the Tyron Palace Museum Shop, Phone (252) 514-4900. A large section of colonial America was granted to eight favorites of England's Charles II. He wished to reward them for their assistance in helping him to the throne after the downfall of the Cromwells (Oliver and Richard). These eight men: Edward Earle of Claredon, George Duke of Albemarle, William Earl of Craven, John Lord Berkeley, Anthony Lord Ashley, Sir George Cartaret, Sir John Colleton, and Sir William Berkeley were thereafter known as the "Proprietors". Their grant covered lands in America from 29¡ to 36¡30' north latitude (roughly, from northern Florida to northern North Carolina). They were given almost absolute power including the power to create an order of nobility among the inhabitants of their domains, but the titles were not to be the same as those used in England, and the laws they made were not to be opposed to those of England. They were given discretionary powers with regard to freedom of conscience, and could grant religious liberty and toleration as they chose. Around 1709 a Swiss group known as the Ritter Company was proposing to bring over to America some religous prisoners of the Canton of Bern, Switzerland. It was agreed that 10,000 acres of land on or between the Neuse and Cape Fear rivers in North Carolina should be set out for the Proposers or their heirs, they paying to the Lords Proprietors £10 for each 1000 acres. The colonists were to have an option for 12 years to purchase an additional 100,000 acres at the same price per 1000 acres during the first 7 years and thereafter through the 12th year "according to the custome of that part of the Province" (market rate). Christopher Emanuel de Graffenreid (Christoph von Graffenreid) was the eldest son of Antony De Graffenreid, Lord of Worb and descendant of a De Graffenreid who was a follower of Duke Berchthold V, founder of the city of Bern. ( This ancestor built the family castle of Worb, six miles from Bern, which was inherited by Christopher in 1730 after his return from Carolina with broken fortune.) About 1709, Christoph von Graffenreid affiliated with Francis Ludwig Michel (Lewis Mitchell) also of Bern, and the two were engaged by the Ritter Company of Bern to make a purchase of land from the Proprietors and lead and govern the colony in the New World. Graffenreid purchased 5000 acres which included the right to a "title" of "Landgrave" (German: Landgraf) which, according to some dictionaries is the equivalent of "Count", however he was later known as "Baron" (an English term for the lowest level of nobility), a title which was bestowed upon him by Queen Anne of Great Britain. In this period, 1709, a large number of Swiss and Germans who had been subject to religious persecution had fleed first to the Palatinate of Germany. Still starving there, many had been invited by Queen Anne of England to come there temporarily. 12,000 Palatines went to England in the summer of 1709 and encamped in tents near London. Graffenreid made arrangements with the Proprietors to take a large contingent of these poor Palatines encamped in London with him to the land in Carolina he was negotiating to purchase. The Queen agreed to help (she was glad to gracefully get out of the burden her invitation to them was costing) by promising 5£ 10 shillings for each emigrant to pay their passage and gave each 20 shillings worth of clothes as a present. She also bestowed upon Graffenreid the title of "Baron". On October 10, 1709, it was allowed for Graffenreid to take 92 families (600 people) and on Oct 21, 50 more people were added. He had the privilege of choosing among them and he picked out young, healthy, and industrious persons of various trades. The palatines were put on 3 ships which left for America on January 10, 1710. Even though Graffenreid took conciencious effort to assure adequate food and accomodations for them, many died en route because of some overcrowding and the salted food which did not aree with them. Crossings usually took 6 to 8 weeks, but due to being overtaken by terrible storms the voyage lasted 13 weeks! Over half of them died at sea. This would put their landing in the new world at approximately April 11, 1710. They landed in Virginia, probably in Portsmouth. The travelled by land to Col. Pollock's in Albemarle Co., North Carolina on the Chowan river, then crossed the sound into Bath Co., and by May or June were located at the site of New Bern. In the meantime, Graffenreid himself, who had not sailed with the Palatines of London in the first crossing, had been arranging the second voyage to consist of the Ritter Company colonists from Bern, Switzerland. He also arranged for additional items of commerce and farming implements to be brought with this second voyage. This group departed Bern, March 8, 1710 and came ashore also in Porsmouth, Virginia, September 11, 1710. Graffenreid met with the Lieutenant-Governor of Virginia (Governor Spotswood was away at the time), and also met with Edward Hyde who had been sent by the Proprietors to be governor of North Carolina. Graffenreid and his people then set out over land for the Chowan river where they expected to find boats to take them to their tract on the Neuse and Trent rivers. **************************************************************************** ***** Graffenreid left Berne, Switzerland and first visited Holland. From there he went to England and describes the following: At this very time there came over 10,000 souls from Germany to England, all under the name of Palatines, but among them were many Switzers and people brought together from other provinces of Germany. This is confirmation that the so-called Palatines were, in fact, from several German speaking provinces and not merely from the Palatinate (Pfaltz), and included some Swiss. After contracting with the Queen and the Proprietors of the colonial areas, he was alloted from the Queen 4000£ sterling to provision ships and transport "a considerable number of these people" to America. He goes on to indicate what great care was taken to select healthy, industrious people and among them those of all sorts of trades necessary for the undertaking. He also tells of the care to make sure the ships (3) were adequately provisioned and supervised. The ships sailed from Gravesend, but he could not sail with them as he was waiting for "the little colony coming on from Berne, as well as for some of my associates." This first contingent of ships left Gravesend in January. Then, he explains, because of rough winds and storms it took thirteen weeks to arrive in Virginia. This, along with the salt food to which the people were not accustomed, and the fact that they were so closely confined, contributed very much to the sickness and death of many upon the sea. The one ship which was filled with the best goods and on which those in best circumstances were traveling, had the misfortune, at the mouth of the James River, in sight of an English man-of-war, which however lay at anchor, to be attacked by a bold French privateer and plundered. After the surviving colony had regained health in Virginia where they were received very kindly, they betook themselves about twenty English miles towards Carolina, all of which, along with the goods cost a great deal. And now when they came into the county of Albemarle to the home of one Colonel Pollock upon the river called Chowan, a member of the council and one of the wealthiest in North Carolina, he provided these people, (but for money or the worth of it) with ships, so that they were conducted through the Sound into the County of Bath upon the River Neuse, with provision for only the most urgent necessity; and there the Surveyor General settled them on a point of land between the Neuse and the Trent River. This place called Chattoka is where the city of New Bern was afterwards founded. Next, Graffenreid describes additional hardships endured by this initial contingent of "Palantines". But he follows with: .the poor people had to live in great distress until fall, when I came. Consider how my Bern people, who in every other respect had had a favorable passage with me in a good and favorable time of year, with plenty of room, and not one sick on the way, looked on this tragedy, where sickness, despair, and lack of the most necessary things reigned supreme This paragraph is revealing in that it tells the approximate arrival time of the second contingent.the ones he said he had to wait for (the reason for not being able to sail with the first three ships from Gravesend). Elsewhere in the account, he says they came in sight of land on Sept. 10, and came ashore on Sept. 11 (1710). And, he again refers to the second group as "my Bern people." This suggests that this second group probably were a fairly homogeneous group geographically.from the Bern area as opposed to the description of the first group as , "all under the name of Palatines, but among them were many Switzers and people brought together from other provinces of Germany." These Swiss were made up, in part, of 100 persons who left Bern, March 8, 1710. To them there was to have been added at some stage of the journey, the 56 convicts, men who had been in prison now two years because of their Anabaptist views. Passes through England had already been secured, but it was not until March 12 that the Swiss Ambassador to Holland, St. Saphorin, was instructed to get the consent and assistance of the Dutch authorities in bringing the prisoners on their way. On March 18 the little band of convicts started by boat from Bern under Michel'' care. The States General had not yet given their consent and showed no signs of doing so, as they had no sympathy with the Anabaptist persecutions, for in Holland people of this sect were welcomed on account of their industry and orderly lives. On the trip down the Rhine, fully one half of the prisoners became too sick to continue and had to be left in the Palatinate. By the laws of Holland (which was sympathetic to the cause of the Anabaptists and welcomed the sect on account of their industry and orderly lives), these prisoners on reaching Dutch territory would thereby become free and able to choose their on destiny rather than being bound to deportation to America in order to gain their freedom. When the remaining 28 got as far as Nimwegen, Holland, the vigilance of the Dutch Anabaptists discovered the prisoners; complaint was made; and they were immediately released and allowed to go back to their friends in the Palatinate, or wherever they would, in search of their families form whom they had been so long separated. It appears only one of this sect kept on to America. Below is a summary of the letters from colonists in New Bern to their friends and relatives back home in Switzerland. I have extracted that which might be of use to genealogists trying to find surnames mentioned among the colonists or their relatives in Switzerland. Also included are some of the content to give us all a better prospective of their hardships. Most of their letters tell of how they are fairing in the new colony and advise others who might be considering migrating what to bring for use and what to bring to resell at substantial profit due to its scarcity in the colonies. Many of the letters mention with sadness the deaths of family members, which reminds the modern reader of the hardships and misery suffered by these brave people. Unfortunately, the letters do not contain an inside address, so unless it is revealed within the body of the letter, we do not know to where the letter was sent in Switzerland. Owing to the corrupt text in the original of some of the letters, translation is, while true, at times confusing in syntax. All parenthetical inserts are mine, not the letter writer's. Written Apr. 7, 1711 by Hans Ruegsegger (Rügsegger?) from New Bern: 1. Mentions his son, Hans, died Feb. 26 (1711). 2. Mentions son, Uhli, may wish to get married and come with his bride to New Bern. If so, he should call upon Mr. Ritter in Bern to make the arrangements. 3. Mentions a brother-in-law, Hans 4. Brother-in-law, Peter Seeman, and Uhli Küntzi might desire to come 5. "Besides this I send also to the pastor, and all my relatives, as also my father-in-law and his family, also Uhli Müller's wife and the Mayor, yes, also, the whole community, a thousand greetings with a kiss of love." 6. "Benedict Kupferschmied my son-in-law sends his father and brothers, as also his sister, friendly greeting." 7. "Let Uhli Müller, the gunsmith, write me accurately, through Mr. Ritter, how it stands with my property, and also about my neighbors and my son. >From Samuel Jacob Gabley and Margreth Pfund: 1. greeting to father, mother brothers ansisters. 2. "I am .married to Margaret Pfund of Zweysimmen." 3. "Greet for me Uhli Treut.Hans Klasner, and his dear wife, Rufascher." >From Jacob Währe of Zweysimmen: 1. "greeting dear and faithful Cousin, Christen Eggen; and you whole house." 2. "The 18th of March (1710), as you know, we left Bern. The 10th of April we came to Rotterdam; there we remained seven weeks and two day. The 31st of May we sailed away. The 14th of June we came to the north of England. There we stayed five weeks.." 3. "Monzua has married my big son." 4. "Greet the pastor for me and his whole house, Magistrate Zergen, the Mayor and his whole house, Treasurer Martge, both Kilchmeyers, Truwhart and their whole house, Heinrich Egender of St. Stephan's Court and his whole house for his sons Jacob and peter Treuthart, Joseph Bullre of Wyssenbach and his wife Wassle, Anna Maria, Jacob Gobli and his whole house up in the village." 5. "Greet for me my dear comrades namely the good Säumers." 6. "This is to be reported to Daniel Zant in Eriswyl." >From Anna Eva Zant: 1. mentions husband, Johannes Zant, who died 2. "my dear and faithful cousin, Daniel Zant." 3. "my daughter Katherine (died on the journey) from Johann Jacob Bötschi: 1. "A friendly greeting to my grandfather, Benedict Schetele, of Nider Linog and my father's brother in Buch, Heinrich Simon, Andreas Krächig, and my grandmother in Buch." 2. "Our father, Benedict Simon, willed on his deathbed willed on his deathbed that we surviving children should still have something on demand from my grandfather, Benedict Schettele (sic); " 3. "Benedict Simon's wife and child Katherine are dead. His daughter's husband Joseph Stern of Riggisberg is also dead. Madlena, the surviving widow is married again to Jacob Himler of Madiswyl and Madlena has another child, Johannes Stern, and Anna Margreta is married to Andreas Weinmann of Mentzingen. Johannes Simon, these three relatives are in Carolina with Graffenried." 4. "Maria Magdalena remaind behind with her husband Johann Heinrich, Hans von Buchse in London. (sic) from Benedict Zionien: 1. greetings to Hans and Bartlome and Bäsi Unclear who this is from: 1. "My two children, Maria and Hansli died at Rotterdam in Holland and were buried in the common burial place." 2. "I am very sorry that Christian Balsiger took away his Uhli from me again at Bern." 3. "This letter to Hanss Wichtermann, Bränen. (This last word, Bränen, may be the signature of the letter writer, or the town in which Hanss W. is to be found.) 4. "Anna Wull of Rümligen is also here and rather rich." The next letter says it is to: Christian von Mühlernen in Switzerland, in the Canton of Bern, in upper Simmenthal, in the parish of Bottigen of the Flühli. 1. "from your affectionate children Michael Ziorien and Salome von Mühlenen." >From Christen Engel: 1. greeting "Hans Aeschbacher, the inn-keeper Uhli Bache,." 2. "my Anni died." 3. "send me two good axes for Dietrich has not time to do blacksmithing" 4. "And if Cousin Haldmann would give me the whole meadow of the estate with everything belonging to it, I should not want it for I have meadow and forest enough for the.." 5. "greet for me.Christian Housmann in Heybuhl and his wife." 6. "I and Dietrich his servant send friendly greetings to the blacksmith and Hans at Flüh." 7. "Let Casper Gerber give this over to Mr. Ritter in Bern." 8. ".if the inheritance has been settled let my godfather give to each a half thaler, namely to Peter Habegger, Helm Kupferschmied, Uhli Burger and Nicholas Balts, if they are still alive." 9. "Have some one buy for me a half dozen of those books like those of which Uhli Lerche gave me one." Letter written by Christen Janzen: 1. "A young son was born on the sea. His father's name is Benedict Kupferschmied. He worked a year for our dear brother, Christian Bürki." 2. "Brought here hale and hearty, the shoemaker Moritz did not die till he was on his farm. He was well on the whole journey. No one else of us Siebentaler people has died, but of the others though, three Palatines." 3. (Here the writer describes the forest, which I include merely for its interest:) "Regarding the land in general. It is almost wholly forest, with indescribably beautiful cedar wood, poplars, oaks, beech, walnut and chestnut trees. But the walnuts are very hard and full of indentations and the chestnuts very small but good. There is sassafras also, and so many other fragrant trees that I cannot describe the hundredth part. Cedar is red like the most beautiful veined cherry and smells better than the finest juniper. They are, commonly, as well as the other trees, fifty to sixty feet below the limbs." 4. "Zioria, my son-in-law Peter Reutiger, and I." 5. "I have married Christina Christeler, a widow of Sannen. I am her third husband. By the first she has four children. Two died in London. Her husband and one child upon the sea. But the eldest, a boy of thirteen, named Benedict Plösch, is at Mörigen in the baliwick Nidauw, staying with his deceased father's clientage. And he was alive four years ago. Her father was named peter Christeler. Christen Walcker, who, with his wife died here in this country and left eight children, said to her that she has a rather large inheritance from her late father, left with her brother Moritz Christeler, for he has received a hundred pounds of it. When you go to Sannen to ask about it, I hope Heinrich Perret will be able to help you; for they have been nearest neighbors. And if it is as Walcker says you can take it into your hands." 6. "Peter Rohtiger and my two daughters greet you, for we live beside each other. Dichtli is still with me, and I am delivering the greeting of us all to our dear and faithful pastor, to the whole number of honored persons, especially Godfather Kilchmeyer Dreuthart, and Andreas Aescher, Christen Jantz." 7. "Greet for us Christien Bürki." 8. Greet for us Anna Drus, item Speismann's people, and your sister."

    03/04/2001 06:08:11
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Re: KORNEGAY-D Digest V01 #24
    2. Ruth R. Westbrook
    3. How do you get to these sites. I am not aware of them. and I have been on the Kornegay site for a long time. Sorry that I missed them Ruth At 11:59 AM 3/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have gone for awhile but always try to check my mail upon occasion and saw >this. > >Have yall tried a myfamily site for free you can add all the pictures you >want and everyone can share in them. > >I have several sites on myfamily and its really really nice. and easy. the >main word here easy. > >If yall would like I can set it up and only people you want can be invited. >let me know > >Vicki (Kornegay descendent)McGlaun Culpepper > >In a message dated 03/02/2001 8:01:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > > > This is Benny Huff. I was asked by some of you to send the old Kornegay > > pictures that I discovered to everyone via the list server. I tried and > the > > server allows only plain text with no attachments. If anyone else wants > > copies let me know and I will send them to you directly. > > > > > > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >Kornegay-Chat-List: Want to get to know your Kornegay descendant cousins? >Like small talk? Want to share in the joys and sorrows that touch each >of us daily? Subscribe at [email protected]

    03/04/2001 05:59:33
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Re: KORNEGAY-D Digest V01 #24
    2. I have gone for awhile but always try to check my mail upon occasion and saw this. Have yall tried a myfamily site for free you can add all the pictures you want and everyone can share in them. I have several sites on myfamily and its really really nice. and easy. the main word here easy. If yall would like I can set it up and only people you want can be invited. let me know Vicki (Kornegay descendent)McGlaun Culpepper In a message dated 03/02/2001 8:01:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This is Benny Huff. I was asked by some of you to send the old Kornegay > pictures that I discovered to everyone via the list server. I tried and the > server allows only plain text with no attachments. If anyone else wants > copies let me know and I will send them to you directly. > >

    03/04/2001 04:59:36
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: [ShipSamuel] Jones
    2. --part1_7f.10f86740.27d3c6c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought some of you who are interested in our Palatine roots may find this note interesting, especially since besides NY it also deals with NC Palentine. Pat Hoffman << eply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] (Samuel) Jennifer: Hank Jones died recently, but he left a great research project in his books. The Palatine Migration to New York which chronicled the migration of a group of Germans from the Rhineland-Palatinate to England then to the Hudson Valley of NY (which looks like the Rhine.) in 1710. There are many of his books in libraries all over the place so keep looking for a copy. He was researching all the Palatine migration to Ireland, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. My interest is NY, so I bought a 2 vol. copy, but after I took my families out I gave it to our library. If you can't find a copy send me the questions and I will make a trip to the village, to get your answer.. Boats --part1_7f.10f86740.27d3c6c8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: IVall2c Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 21:18:46 EST Subject: Fwd: [ShipSamuel] Jones To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_7f.10f86740.27d30006_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 129 --part2_7f.10f86740.27d30006_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_7f.10f86740.27d30006_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (rly-xd05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.170]) by air-xd03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:17:55 -0500 Received: from hh.egroups.com (hh.egroups.com [208.50.99.210]) by rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2001 13:17:40 -0500 X-eGroups-Return: [email protected] Received: from [10.1.4.54] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2001 18:15:06 -0000 X-Sender: [email protected] X-Apparently-To: [email protected] Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 3 Mar 2001 18:15:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 90629 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2001 18:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2001 18:15:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) (204.127.131.52) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Mar 2001 18:15:04 -0000 Received: from CharlesHWadhams ([12.81.77.247]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <[email protected]ams> for <[email protected]>; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: "Samuel" <[email protected]> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Charles Wadhams" <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list [email protected]; contact [email protected] Delivered-To: mailing list [email protected] Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:13:00 -0800 Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [ShipSamuel] Jones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennifer: Hank Jones died recently, but he left a great research project in his books. The Palatine Migration to New York which chronicled the migration of a group of Germans from the Rhineland-Palatinate to England then to the Hudson Valley of NY (which looks like the Rhine.) in 1710. There are many of his books in libraries all over the place so keep looking for a copy. He was researching all the Palatine migration to Ireland, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. My interest is NY, so I bought a 2 vol. copy, but after I took my families out I gave it to our library. If you can't find a copy send me the questions and I will make a trip to the village, to get your answer.. Boats To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part2_7f.10f86740.27d30006_boundary-- --part1_7f.10f86740.27d3c6c8_boundary--

    03/04/2001 04:26:48
    1. [KORNEGAY-L]
    2. Ruth R. Westbrook
    3. I found this query posted in 1999. maybe it will help someone Ruth I'm searching for any information on a William Mckeel Price b. Abt 1785 who married Barbara Ann Barfeild. They had a child named Jesse Berfeild Price who married a Levicy Dilliard who had a daughter named Zilpha Price who married a George W Kornegay. I will share any information i have if any one has any information on William Mckeel Price i would greatly apricate any help you can offer. Thanks Ray Email: [email protected]

    03/03/2001 02:53:10
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Robert Kornegay
    2. Ruth R. Westbrook
    3. Where did Robert die? I think there was a family of Robert Kornegay's in the Mount Olive area (Could be Wayne or Duplin Co) many years ago. If my memory serves me right - there was a family in Mt Olive area of Hatch and there was a someone by the name Durant in that family. I'm sure much younger generation than you are speaking of - but could be related. the Durant Hatch that you are speaking of could have been a son in law. Often times the men would give property to a son in law instead of the daughter. Good luck Ruth At 07:28 PM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: >Pat - > >I promised some time ago to look up my documentation on the children of >Robert Kornegay. The children that I have listed are Jane O. Kornegay >Lane, David Smith Kornegay, Thomas Kornegay, Mary S. Kornegay and >Alexander Hambleton Kornegay. I only have circumstantial evidence that >these are his children. These names come from three different records >where Durant Hatch Jr. acting as administrator of Robert Kornegay's estate >was selling various piece of property. In all three records these people >are listed as heirs of Robert Kornegay, not children of Robert Kornegay. >Jane was married to Levin B. Lane and it would appear that the remaining >children are probably juveniles at the time of death. For your records one >of the sales transactions is on page 714 of the Z.H. Gwynn book, item 442. > >I have not located a will for Robert Kornegay. I believe he was born in >1782 and died in 1825 when he was 43. Dying at that young age I do not >believe that he had a will. Robert died when David Smith was 15. David >Smith came to Texas in 1830 when he was 20 years old. According to family >legend passed down through descendents of David Smith to me, David Smith >came to Texas because of a dispute about his father Robert's estate. From >reading various property sales transactions it is evident that Robert's >wife Latitia was still alive in 1830 when David Smith moved to Texas. I am >not quite sure why Durant Hatch Jr. was the administrator of the estate >instead of Latitia. He made many transactions on behalf of the estate >including buying some of the estate properties himself. I always suspected >that David Smith believed that Durant Hatch Jr. was not acting in the best >interests of the estate and that is why he moved to Texas. > >I also have a copy of the original will of David Kornegay, Robert's >father, that I obtained from the Jones County courthouse in the 1970s. In >the will David's wife is listed as Lettice so that is the spelling I have >been using in my records. > >Benny > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; >To subscribe or unsubscribe send to [email protected]

    03/03/2001 03:15:11
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Robert Kornegay
    2. Benny and Linda Huff
    3. All indications are that Robert died in Jones County. His property included several lots within the town of Trenton. Benny ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth R. Westbrook <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Robert Kornegay > Where did Robert die? I think there was a family of Robert Kornegay's in > the Mount Olive area (Could be Wayne or Duplin Co) > many years ago. > If my memory serves me right - there was a family in Mt Olive area of Hatch > and there was a someone by the name Durant in that family. I'm sure much > younger generation than you are speaking of - but could be related. > the Durant Hatch that you are speaking of could have been a son in > law. Often times the men would give property to a son in law > instead of the daughter. > Good luck > Ruth > > > At 07:28 PM 3/2/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Pat - > > > >I promised some time ago to look up my documentation on the children of > >Robert Kornegay. The children that I have listed are Jane O. Kornegay > >Lane, David Smith Kornegay, Thomas Kornegay, Mary S. Kornegay and > >Alexander Hambleton Kornegay. I only have circumstantial evidence that > >these are his children. These names come from three different records > >where Durant Hatch Jr. acting as administrator of Robert Kornegay's estate > >was selling various piece of property. In all three records these people > >are listed as heirs of Robert Kornegay, not children of Robert Kornegay. > >Jane was married to Levin B. Lane and it would appear that the remaining > >children are probably juveniles at the time of death. For your records one > >of the sales transactions is on page 714 of the Z.H. Gwynn book, item 442. > > > >I have not located a will for Robert Kornegay. I believe he was born in > >1782 and died in 1825 when he was 43. Dying at that young age I do not > >believe that he had a will. Robert died when David Smith was 15. David > >Smith came to Texas in 1830 when he was 20 years old. According to family > >legend passed down through descendents of David Smith to me, David Smith > >came to Texas because of a dispute about his father Robert's estate. From > >reading various property sales transactions it is evident that Robert's > >wife Latitia was still alive in 1830 when David Smith moved to Texas. I am > >not quite sure why Durant Hatch Jr. was the administrator of the estate > >instead of Latitia. He made many transactions on behalf of the estate > >including buying some of the estate properties himself. I always suspected > >that David Smith believed that Durant Hatch Jr. was not acting in the best > >interests of the estate and that is why he moved to Texas. > > > >I also have a copy of the original will of David Kornegay, Robert's > >father, that I obtained from the Jones County courthouse in the 1970s. In > >the will David's wife is listed as Lettice so that is the spelling I have > >been using in my records. > > > >Benny > > > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > >To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > >To subscribe or unsubscribe send to [email protected] > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > >

    03/03/2001 02:48:59
    1. RE: [KORNEGAY-L] Pictures
    2. Grace Wisdom
    3. Benny, I too would love to have copies of those pictures. Grace Wisdom -----Original Message----- From: Maggie Brashear [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Pictures I DO. THANKS A BUNCH. Margrett Kornegay Brashear (Maggie) [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benny and Linda Huff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] Pictures > This is Benny Huff. I was asked by some of you to send the old Kornegay pictures that I discovered to everyone via the list server. I tried and the server allows only plain text with no attachments. If anyone else wants copies let me know and I will send them to you directly. > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > Check out Rootsweb Resources for the Kornegay surname at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/o/KORNEGAY/ ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm

    03/02/2001 02:01:09
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Robert Kornegay
    2. Benny and Linda Huff
    3. Pat - I promised some time ago to look up my documentation on the children of Robert Kornegay. The children that I have listed are Jane O. Kornegay Lane, David Smith Kornegay, Thomas Kornegay, Mary S. Kornegay and Alexander Hambleton Kornegay. I only have circumstantial evidence that these are his children. These names come from three different records where Durant Hatch Jr. acting as administrator of Robert Kornegay's estate was selling various piece of property. In all three records these people are listed as heirs of Robert Kornegay, not children of Robert Kornegay. Jane was married to Levin B. Lane and it would appear that the remaining children are probably juveniles at the time of death. For your records one of the sales transactions is on page 714 of the Z.H. Gwynn book, item 442. I have not located a will for Robert Kornegay. I believe he was born in 1782 and died in 1825 when he was 43. Dying at that young age I do not believe that he had a will. Robert died when David Smith was 15. David Smith came to Texas in 1830 when he was 20 years old. According to family legend passed down through descendents of David Smith to me, David Smith came to Texas because of a dispute about his father Robert's estate. From reading various property sales transactions it is evident that Robert's wife Latitia was still alive in 1830 when David Smith moved to Texas. I am not quite sure why Durant Hatch Jr. was the administrator of the estate instead of Latitia. He made many transactions on behalf of the estate including buying some of the estate properties himself. I always suspected that David Smith believed that Durant Hatch Jr. was not acting in the best interests of the estate and that is why he moved to Texas. I also have a copy of the original will of David Kornegay, Robert's father, that I obtained from the Jones County courthouse in the 1970s. In the will David's wife is listed as Lettice so that is the spelling I have been using in my records. Benny

    03/02/2001 12:28:04
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] We have Kornegay & Strickland ancestors
    2. Hi Christy, While cleaning out my mail-box before it blows up I found the following message. Can you believe I have kept messages from this far back? Anyway, it appears, without my knowing it, that it was intended for me to keep this. In the past few months I have found the ancestors of my g-grandfather, Samuel Hardy Woods - Ashley Co AR. His mother Emily "Milly" C. Strickland [m: Robert Simenton Woods]. Emily's ancestors I have back to the immigrant Mathew Strickland, Sr. Isle Of Wight VA. His descendants [my line] TO Bertie Co NC which became Edgecombe TO GA TO AL TO Ashley Co AR. BTW Julie [email protected] - on our Kornegay list also has Strickland connections. Isn't this something that we find out we are connected somehow in both Kornegay & Strickland surnames? What is your Strickland lineage? Are you on the Strickland list? Kathlynn **********Message Separator********** Sept 1999 From: [email protected] [Ruth Westbrook] wrote: Anyone familiar with this line Ruth > Hello, my name is Christy Woodham and I have always had an interest in > Genealogy, but more so in the past 4 > years. Because of the limited space, I wasn't able to put up all my > information. If you see a connection please > e-mail me and we can exchange information. My e-mail address is > [email protected] and I am currently > researching Long, Miller, Kornegay, Cooper, Carroll, McNair, Lee, McGee, > Braddock, Barnes, Taylor, Strickland, > Mayfield, Woodham, McCaghren, Stewart, Dalrymple, and Cash.

    03/02/2001 10:20:49
    1. RE: [KORNEGAY-L] Thanks Kathlynn
    2. Grace Wisdom
    3. I DO!! and many thanks Grace Wisdom [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Thanks Kathlynn Amen sisters ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; To subscribe or unsubscribe from this listsend to [email protected]

    03/02/2001 03:46:11
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Whaley Family Cemetary
    2. Ruth R. Westbrook
    3. Am forwarding this to the Kornegay's that might be related to the Outlaw's in this article Ruth >Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:29:28 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Thu Mar 1 19:29:27 2001 >Reply-To: "Douglas Ward" <[email protected]> >From: "Douglas Ward" <[email protected]> >Old-To: "Duplin County Mailing List" <[email protected]> >Subject: Whaley Family Cemetary >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:54:02 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 >To: [email protected] >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/1918 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > >On a recent genealogy trip I was able to catalog a small cemetary full of >my ancestors that I didn't remember seeing on the Duplin County Historical >Society website. It was the Whaley Family Cemetary, and it is located >right off of Tram Rd. behind a house in between two fields. It is about a >quarter mile up from the intersection of Tram Rd. and Woodland Church >Rd. I'll list the tombstone inscriptions below. I have pictures of >almost all of these if anyone would like them. There are two other >graves, but they are unmarked. They look like the graves of small children. > > > 1.. Jacob F. Whaley ­ Apr. 26 1892 to Apr.16 1920 > 2.. Sannie Jones Whaley ­ Nov. 22 1889 to Jan. 31 1977 > 3.. Ruby May Whaley ­ Oct. 8 1933 to Jun. 3 1934 “Gone but not forgotten” > 4.. John B. Whaley ­ Nov. 16 1867 to Jul. 6 1917 > 5.. Baby girl Whaley ­ Dec. 15 1867 > 6.. Jeff Franklin Jones ­ Jun. 11 1900 to Dec. 12 1972 “Father - God > rest your soul” > 7.. Lula Hardison Jones ­ Jan. 26 1905 to Dec. 14 1983 “Mother ­ God > rest your soul” > 8.. Infant son of I.T. and Louella Bishop ­ Sept. 16 1907 to Dec. 12 1972 > 9.. Paul Bishop ­ Sept. 16 1907 to Oct. 5 1907 “Son of I.T. and Louella > Bishop” > 10.. Nancy Jones ­ Aug. 20 1920 “Aged 77 years. Wife of A.E. > Rouse” **This tombstone is broken in half. > 11.. Zakie R. Whaley ­ Sept. 22 1902 to Mar 2 1919 > 12.. Susan A. Whaley ­ Mar. 18 1874 to Apr. 20 1911 > 13.. Annie Edwards (cannot read details from photograph) > 14.. Wilton son of Floyd and Mildan Outlaw ­ Apr. 12 1921 to Oct. 18 > 1928 “My darling” > 15.. Mildan wife of Floyd Outlaw (cannot read details from photograph) > 16.. Floyd Outlaw ­ Jan. 2 1879 to Jul. 5 1925 (cannot read details > from photograph) > 17.. C.W. Powell ­ Dec. 26 1817 to Jul. 12 1930 “Be they truthful unto > death and I will give thee (?) of life” > 18.. Penny wife of C.W. Powell ­ Oct. 2 1849 to Jun. 15 1942 “Gone but > not forgotten” >

    03/02/2001 02:43:33
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] FTM
    2. In a message dated 3/1/2001 7:58:07 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Family Tree Maker leaves a lot to be desired in the merge department.Good > I agree! And a lot of other departments, also. Kathlynn

    03/01/2001 06:47:44
  1. 03/01/2001 02:28:56
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] to Wallace
    2. Hey Wallace, Gee you got that right. It sounds so easy......Do Not be fooled. I have just started redoing the whole thing. I have decided to start at me and go straight to George 1st, then start adding one child at a time. I never realize how much of a mess I had until I printed it out. So, I want to apoligize to everyone I have shared my data base with for sending something that was that messed up. Sheila

    03/01/2001 02:04:40
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Pictures
    2. Benny, I would love to have a copy of them if it isnt too much trouble. I have searched the web and found pictures of current living Kornegay's and it would be interesting to see how much they favor. Sheila

    03/01/2001 01:59:00
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Thanks Kathlynn
    2. wallace arnold
    3. Sheila, I can understand your frustration on trying to combine two or more files on Family Tree Maker. When you sent me your file a while back, I assumed you had combined two or three at some time. I went through several merge operations and wound up doing a manual merge several times also. Do you have an instruction book with your program? It probably explains how to do a merge, but if it's like mine it won't work the way they say it should. Family Tree Maker leaves a lot to be desired in the merge department.Good luck with your efforts. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

    03/01/2001 12:55:23
    1. Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Thanks Kathlynn
    2. Yep Kathlynn, That straightened out the mess. As I was looking through a printed copy of my entire Kornegay line, I can not believe the mistakes. I will never make the mistake of combining two data bases. I think I will start over and enter everything from scratch and hopefully bypass these mistakes. I have a feeling it is going to be a very long spring and summer..... Sheila

    03/01/2001 12:55:11
    1. [KORNEGAY-L] Pictures
    2. Benny and Linda Huff
    3. This is Benny Huff. I was asked by some of you to send the old Kornegay pictures that I discovered to everyone via the list server. I tried and the server allows only plain text with no attachments. If anyone else wants copies let me know and I will send them to you directly.

    03/01/2001 12:31:54