Joe, Wonderful. Can't wait to hear.....would like to get some idea what we are looking at or for..... Sheila
If someone would like to start a list of names of the de Graffenreidt Colonists, I'll contribute about twenty five names that I have had in my files for many years. [Unable to display image][Unable to display image]
My mama's family pronounced it the same way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe kornegay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 May, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Well, We have a problem > Sheila and all, > > I emailed Jan Hornick this morning asking if she has any documentation for > John George Hornigh being in Wexford County, Ireland after 1711. If she has > a citation showing J.G. Hornigh there after that date, that makes the George > Kornegay connection pretty thin. > > A thing that has always bothered me about the Hornigh connection is that > most of the various early spellings of George Kornegay's last name in the > eighteenth century do not include a "r". I don't know of any occassions > where the German "r" is silent. When I lived in Winston-Salem about 25 > years ago, many of the North Carolina Kornegays I met pronounced the name > without an "r". Wonder how Ruth and the other folks there pronounce the > name today. > > We'll see what I get from Jan. I'll forward it to the group as soon as she > responds. > > Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this listsend to > [email protected] >
This is the way that Kornegay is pronounced in this area. the first one is the one the hi society uses (for instance when my brother in laws nephew (Horace Kornegay) was working in Washington DC he was the cor ne gay - but when he came to our area he was just the same as the rest . cor neg gie. some - cor ne gay and some == cor neg gie Hope this makes sense/. Ruth At 06:25 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Sheila and all, > >I emailed Jan Hornick this morning asking if she has any documentation for >John George Hornigh being in Wexford County, Ireland after 1711. If she has >a citation showing J.G. Hornigh there after that date, that makes the George >Kornegay connection pretty thin. > >A thing that has always bothered me about the Hornigh connection is that >most of the various early spellings of George Kornegay's last name in the >eighteenth century do not include a "r". I don't know of any occassions >where the German "r" is silent. When I lived in Winston-Salem about 25 >years ago, many of the North Carolina Kornegays I met pronounced the name >without an "r". Wonder how Ruth and the other folks there pronounce the >name today. > >We'll see what I get from Jan. I'll forward it to the group as soon as she >responds. > >Joe > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this listsend to >[email protected]
It looks like he's looking for Hornick. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 24 May, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] Well, We have a problem > Hello to all, > Well, in searching for the Surname "Hornigh" I came across very few enteries. > Unfortuently, the one I did find is below......seems like this Jan Hornick > has also claimed our Ancestor John George Hornigh. Anyone have any thoughts > here? > Sheila > > ID: I12683 > Name: John George HORNIGH > Given Name: John George > Surname: Hornigh > Sex: M > Birth: 1671 in ,Palatine,Germany > Death: in ,Prob. Co.Wexford,Ireland > Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:49 > > Marriage 1 Spouse UnknownChildren > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 > > ID: I12870 > Name: Philip HORNICK > Given Name: Philip > Surname: Hornick > Sex: M > Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:50 > > Father: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 > > Marriage 1 <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12881">Margaret HOFFMAN</A> > Married: 28 MAY 1738 in ,Prob. Wexford,IrelandChildren > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12892">Thomas HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12934">Philip HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12923">George HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe send to [email protected] >
--part1_cf.6f94eee.283f052b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Local History and Genealogy Librarian of the New Bern-Craven County Public Library, one of the most frequently asked questions I have been asked is, "Do you have a copy of the list of settlers who came with Baron de Graffenried?" Unfortunately, the answer is, "No." No such list of passengers who sailed from England to Virginia/North Carolina in 1709/10 has survived; or if it has survived, it has not been located. A 1749 "List of Palatines and their Descendants who arrived in North Carolina around 1709" is mentioned in the Colonial Records of North Carolina (volume 4, page 967). This list, too, has not been located. This site attempts to list some of those immigrants (or their descendants) who came with Christoph de Graffenried in 1710 to settle the area around New Bern, North Carolina. In all, about 100 Swiss and 600 Palatines left Europe for New Bern. Nearly all of the Swiss arrived; however, only about half of the Palatines survived the journey to New Bern. Still others were killed during the Tuscarora Indian Wars of 1712-1715. The names listed below are taken from several contemporaneous documents, which are listed in the bibliography. The names of the possible Swiss-Palatines at the end of the article are chosen due to their Germanic sounding name or due to "guilt by association" with known Swiss-Palatines. This article originally appeared in the North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal (February 1997). It has been expanded, corrected, and updated for this site on July 21, 2000. ***This is what is listed on the list from the article above: George Kenege 1733 petition (as Carnepy); 1740 petitioner (as Connegue); 1747 petitioner. Present spelling, Kornegay Bernheim, G.D. History of the German Settlements and of the Lutheran Church in North and South Carolina, from the Earliest Period of the Colonization of the Dutch, German, and Swiss Settlers to the Close of the First Half of the Present Century. Philadelphia, 1872: Reprint. Baltimore: Regional Publishing Co., 1975.Cain, Robert J., ed. Records of the Executive Council, 1664-1734. Vol. 7 of The Colonial Records of North Carolina [Second Series]. Raleigh, N.C.: Division of Archives and History, 1984. "Petition of Craven Precinct for Altering the Seat of Government" (ca. April 1733) is found on pages 301-303. Cited as 1733 petition above.Cobb, Sanford H. The Story of the Palatines: an Episode in Colonial History. New York: Putnam's Sons, 1897.Faust, Albert Bernhardt and Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh. Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies. 2 vols. in 1. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1972. Volume 2, pages 6-14, gives an account, using contemporaneous sources, of about 151 persons believed to have left Switzerland for North Carolina.Haun, Weynette Parks. Craven Precinct-County Court Minutes. 7 vols. to date. Durham, N.C.: Haun, 1978- . Volumes 1 and 2 contain court minutes from 1712 to 1741, with the years 1716-1729 missing. These early volumes were consulted for names and are cited as Craven County Court Records or Minutes above, with the year.Haun, Weynette Parks. Craven County North Carolina Deed Abstracts. 1 vol. to date. Durham, N.C.: Haun, 1996- . Volume 1 contains deed books 1 and 5 (1707-1775) and is cited above as Craven County Deeds Book with the appropriate book number and page number of the original deed."The High German Chapel." Carolina and the Southern Cross (May 1914): 8. Contains the 1740 petition for the building of a church for the use of the High Germans and the Church of England. This same petition is found in Haun, Craven County Deed Abstracts, on page 69 (Craven Deed Book 1, page 417).Holloman, Charles R. "Craven County, North Carolina -- It's Origin and Beginning." Seminar notes prepared for Local History Students, Craven Technical Institute, 1973. Holloman includes transcripts of the 1714 claims list, 1714 tithables list, 1715 land tax list, and 1716 land tax list.Knittle, Walter Allen. Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration: A British Government Redemtioner Project to Manufacture Naval Stores. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1970."The Palatines and Their Descendants." Carolina and the Southern Cross (March 1914): 15-19.Saunders, William L., ed. The Colonial Records of North Carolina. 10 vols. Raleigh, N.C.: State of North Carolina, 1886-1890. Volume 4, pages 954-956, contains the 1747 petition of the Palatines to King George II and gives a brief history of their settlement. Cited above as 1747 petition.Schelbert, Leo, ed. America Experienced: Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Accounts of Swiss Immigrants to the United States. Camden, Me.: Picton Press, 1996. Includes some of the same letters in Todd's volume, as well as accounts of Swiss immigrants to other states.Todd, Vincent H., ed. Christoph von Graffenried's Account of the Founding of New Bern: Edited with an Historical Introduction and an English Translation. Spartanburg, S.C.: The Reprint Co., 1973. Includes letters written ca. 1711 by Swiss from New Bern to their relatives.Tribbeko, John and George Ruperti. List of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709. Reprinted from The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record 1909-1910. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co. for Clearfield Company, 1996.Watson, Alan D. A History of New Bern and Craven County. New Bern, N.C.: Tryon Palace Commission, 1987. The standard history of New Bern and Craven County includes a detailed chapter on the settlement of New Bern. These are the books where the author listed as his sources. Sheila --part1_cf.6f94eee.283f052b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>As Local History and Genealogy Librarian of the New Bern-Craven County Public <BR>Library, one of the most frequently asked questions I have been asked is, "Do <BR>you have a copy of the list of settlers who came with Baron de Graffenried?" <BR>Unfortunately, the answer is, "No." No such list of passengers who sailed <BR>from England to Virginia/North Carolina in 1709/10 has survived; or if it has <BR>survived, it has not been located. A 1749 "List of Palatines and their <BR>Descendants who arrived in North Carolina around 1709" is mentioned in the <I> <BR>Colonial Records of North Carolina</I> (volume 4, page 967). This list, too, has <BR>not been located. <BR>This site attempts to list some of those immigrants (or their descendants) <BR>who came with Christoph de Graffenried in 1710 to settle the area around New <BR>Bern, North Carolina. In all, about 100 Swiss and 600 Palatines left Europe <BR>for New Bern. Nearly all of the Swiss arrived; however, only about half of <BR>the Palatines survived the journey to New Bern. Still others were killed <BR>during the Tuscarora Indian Wars of 1712-1715. The names listed below are <BR>taken from several contemporaneous documents, which are listed in the <BR>bibliography. The names of the possible Swiss-Palatines at the end of the <BR>article are chosen due to their Germanic sounding name or due to "guilt by <BR>association" with known Swiss-Palatines. <BR>This article originally appeared in the <I>North Carolina Genealogical Society <BR>Journal</I> (February 1997). It has been expanded, corrected, and updated for <BR>this site on July 21, 2000. <BR><B><I>***This is what is listed on the list from the article above:</B></I> <BR>George <B>Kenege</B> 1733 petition (as <B>Carnepy</B>); 1740 petitioner (as <B>Connegue</B>); <BR>1747 petitioner. Present spelling, <B>Kornegay</B> <BR> <BR>Bernheim, G.D. <U>History of the German Settlements and of the Lutheran Church <BR>in North and South Carolina, from the Earliest Period of the Colonization of <BR>the Dutch, German, and Swiss Settlers to the Close of the First Half of the <BR>Present Century</U>. Philadelphia, 1872: Reprint. Baltimore: Regional Publishing <BR>Co., 1975.Cain, Robert J., ed. <BR><U>Records of the Executive Council, 1664-1734</U>. Vol. 7 of <U>The Colonial Records <BR>of North Carolina [Second Series]</U>. Raleigh, N.C.: Division of Archives and <BR>History, 1984. "Petition of Craven Precinct for Altering the Seat of <BR>Government" (ca. April 1733) is found on pages 301-303. Cited as 1733 <BR>petition above.Cobb, Sanford H. <BR><U>The Story of the Palatines: an Episode in Colonial History</U>. New York: <BR>Putnam's Sons, 1897.Faust, Albert Bernhardt and Gaius Marcus Brumbaugh. <BR> <U>Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies</U>. <BR>2 vols. in 1. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1972. Volume 2, <BR>pages 6-14, gives an account, using contemporaneous sources, of about 151 <BR>persons believed to have left Switzerland for North Carolina.Haun, Weynette <BR>Parks. <BR> <U>Craven Precinct-County Court Minutes</U>. 7 vols. to date. Durham, N.C.: Haun, <BR>1978- . Volumes 1 and 2 contain court minutes from 1712 to 1741, with the <BR>years 1716-1729 missing. These early volumes were consulted for names and are <BR>cited as Craven County Court Records or Minutes above, with the year.Haun, <BR>Weynette Parks. <U>Craven County North Carolina Deed Abstracts</U>. 1 vol. to date. <BR>Durham, N.C.: Haun, 1996- . Volume 1 contains deed books 1 and 5 (1707-1775) <BR>and is cited above as Craven County Deeds Book with the appropriate book <BR>number and page number of the original deed."The High German Chapel." <BR><U>Carolina and the Southern Cross</U> (May 1914): 8. Contains the 1740 petition for <BR>the building of a church for the use of the High Germans and the Church of <BR>England. This same petition is found in Haun, Craven County Deed Abstracts, <BR>on page 69 (Craven Deed Book 1, page 417).Holloman, Charles R. "Craven <BR>County, North Carolina -- It's Origin and Beginning." Seminar notes prepared <BR>for Local History Students, Craven Technical Institute, 1973. Holloman <BR>includes transcripts of the 1714 claims list, 1714 tithables list, 1715 land <BR>tax list, and 1716 land tax list.Knittle, Walter Allen. <BR><U>Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration: A British Government <BR>Redemtioner Project to Manufacture Naval Stores</U>. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical <BR>Publishing Co., 1970."The Palatines and Their Descendants." <BR><U>Carolina and the Southern Cross</U> (March 1914): 15-19.Saunders, William L., ed. <BR> <U>The Colonial Records of North Carolina</U>. 10 vols. Raleigh, N.C.: State of <BR>North Carolina, 1886-1890. Volume 4, pages 954-956, contains the 1747 <BR>petition of the Palatines to King George II and gives a brief history of <BR>their settlement. Cited above as 1747 petition.Schelbert, Leo, ed. <BR><U>America Experienced: Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Accounts of Swiss <BR>Immigrants to the United States</U>. Camden, Me.: Picton Press, 1996. Includes <BR>some of the same letters in Todd's volume, as well as accounts of Swiss <BR>immigrants to other states.Todd, Vincent H., ed. <BR><U>Christoph von Graffenried's Account of the Founding of New Bern: Edited with <BR>an Historical Introduction and an English Translation</U>. Spartanburg, S.C.: The <BR>Reprint Co., 1973. Includes letters written ca. 1711 by Swiss from New Bern <BR>to their relatives.Tribbeko, John and George Ruperti. <BR> <U>List of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709</U>. Reprinted <BR>from <U>The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record</U> 1909-1910. Baltimore, <BR>Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co. for Clearfield Company, 1996.Watson, Alan D. <BR> <U>A History of New Bern and Craven County</U>. New Bern, N.C.: Tryon Palace <BR>Commission, 1987. The standard history of New Bern and Craven County includes <BR>a detailed chapter on the settlement of New Bern. <BR> <BR>These are the books where the author listed as his sources. <BR> <BR>Sheila <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML> --part1_cf.6f94eee.283f052b_boundary--
Hello to all, Well, in searching for the Surname "Hornigh" I came across very few enteries. Unfortuently, the one I did find is below......seems like this Jan Hornick has also claimed our Ancestor John George Hornigh. Anyone have any thoughts here? Sheila ID: I12683 Name: John George HORNIGH Given Name: John George Surname: Hornigh Sex: M Birth: 1671 in ,Palatine,Germany Death: in ,Prob. Co.Wexford,Ireland Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:49 Marriage 1 Spouse UnknownChildren > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 ID: I12870 Name: Philip HORNICK Given Name: Philip Surname: Hornick Sex: M Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:50 Father: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 Marriage 1 <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12881">Margaret HOFFMAN</A> Married: 28 MAY 1738 in ,Prob. Wexford,IrelandChildren > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12892">Thomas HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12934">Philip HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jangh&id=I12923">George HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland
Hello Joe, You are right they do pronounce the name without the R... Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe kornegay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Well, We have a problem > Sheila and all, > > I emailed Jan Hornick this morning asking if she has any documentation for > John George Hornigh being in Wexford County, Ireland after 1711. If she has > a citation showing J.G. Hornigh there after that date, that makes the George > Kornegay connection pretty thin. > > A thing that has always bothered me about the Hornigh connection is that > most of the various early spellings of George Kornegay's last name in the > eighteenth century do not include a "r". I don't know of any occassions > where the German "r" is silent. When I lived in Winston-Salem about 25 > years ago, many of the North Carolina Kornegays I met pronounced the name > without an "r". Wonder how Ruth and the other folks there pronounce the > name today. > > We'll see what I get from Jan. I'll forward it to the group as soon as she > responds. > > Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Send a cool gift with your E-Card > http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this listsend to > [email protected] > >
Sheila, This must not be ours. Johann Georg I thought was massacre in North Carolina...Gayle Has any check the Secretary of State records to see if there was anything documented with names, etc. Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] Well, We have a problem > Hello to all, > Well, in searching for the Surname "Hornigh" I came across very few enteries. > Unfortuently, the one I did find is below......seems like this Jan Hornick > has also claimed our Ancestor John George Hornigh. Anyone have any thoughts > here? > Sheila > > ID: I12683 > Name: John George HORNIGH > Given Name: John George > Surname: Hornigh > Sex: M > Birth: 1671 in ,Palatine,Germany > Death: in ,Prob. Co.Wexford,Ireland > Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:49 > > Marriage 1 Spouse UnknownChildren > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 > > ID: I12870 > Name: Philip HORNICK > Given Name: Philip > Surname: Hornick > Sex: M > Change Date: 22 MAR 2001 at 09:38:50 > > Father: <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12793">George HORNICK</A> b: 1694 > > Marriage 1 <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12881">Margaret HOFFMAN</A> > Married: 28 MAY 1738 in ,Prob. Wexford,IrelandChildren > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12892">Thomas HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12934">Philip HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > <A HREF="http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=j angh&id=I12923">George HORNICK</A> b: in ,Prob. Wexford,Ireland > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe send to [email protected] > >
Sheila and all, I emailed Jan Hornick this morning asking if she has any documentation for John George Hornigh being in Wexford County, Ireland after 1711. If she has a citation showing J.G. Hornigh there after that date, that makes the George Kornegay connection pretty thin. A thing that has always bothered me about the Hornigh connection is that most of the various early spellings of George Kornegay's last name in the eighteenth century do not include a "r". I don't know of any occassions where the German "r" is silent. When I lived in Winston-Salem about 25 years ago, many of the North Carolina Kornegays I met pronounced the name without an "r". Wonder how Ruth and the other folks there pronounce the name today. We'll see what I get from Jan. I'll forward it to the group as soon as she responds. Joe _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
In searching on the internet - I found that someone is asking about the spouse of James Rhodes. I found records that indicated that Daniel and Edna Flowers Kornegay's daughters married James Rhodes, Jr Elizabeth Kornegay , (they had 5 children) after Elizabeth's death and her sister Edna Marie Kornegay married James Rhodes Jr. as far as I know Edna Marie had no children- but raised Elizabeth's children. I have not had a chance to post us so I do not have all the dates. Hope this helps Ruth
I'm glad that someone is asking the right questions!! I have been with the Rootsweb and I thought actively participating in helping to find the genealogy of the Kornegay family. But: By someone asking the right questions _____ I have discovered sites and information that have probably been on the internet for months and months and I had never heard of them before. It would be nice -- if all the information could be shared.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to who ever struck the right note to get these sights out to all of us. Thanks Ruth
Jerry got a copy of it somewhere. Ask him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benny and Linda Huff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 23 May, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > Hello everyone. This is Benny Huff. Does anyone know if the John Martin > Oates book and the Charles Kornegay book are in print and if so how one > might obtain them? I would love to get two copies of each. > > Benny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > > > > Hi Shelia, > > Good question! I've wondered about this too, and also wondered why a list > of > > all of the Palatines form the Palatinate has never been located. It seems > > unreal that there would only be a records in England of John George's > family. > > I wonder who found the record originally? I think we all just assumed > the > > earlier researchers claims were correct and carried them forward. And > > apparently a lot was speculation based on a preponderance of evidence. > > > > Gayle, I am assuming you don't have the following so I'm sending for you, > it > > should answer your question [no names were given for the other family > > members]. Note: It appears to me Oates added the bracketed parts. Also, > > note Oates has "Kingdom Tolson" and Charles Kornegay's book has "Kingdom > > Talsen." Which is correct!?!?!? > > > > From page 1 of book published 2-3-1996 by John Martin Oates, Jr., titled > John > > George Kornegay 1670 - 1711 - The Palatine Immigrant. > > > > Document preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, Board > of > > Trade, Misc.., Vol 2, Page 57. > > 6 May 1709 - A list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > > Palatinate into this Kingdom Tolsen in St. Catharine's. > > (1) Hornigh (Kornegay now) - John George, age 38 years, [his] wife [no > age], > > sons (2) 8 and 2 years old, daughters (2) 12 and 10 years old. Member of > > Reformed Church. Husbandman and Winedresser." > > > > The following was copied from page 9 of book published by Charles Kornegay > > titled Kornegay History, 1710 - 1986 [Kathlynn insert - note both state > > "list" > > > > List of Germans from the Palatinate > > Who Came to England 1709 > > Documents preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, > > Board of Trade Misc., Vol 2, page 57. > > 6 May 1709 - a list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > > Palatinate into this Kingdom Talsen in St. Catherines > > [1] Hornigh [Kornegay now] John George, age 38 years. > > Wife, sons [2] 8 and 2 years old > > Daughters, [2] 12 and 10 years old > > Member - Reformed Church > > Husbandman and Winedresser > > > > Kathlynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe send to [email protected] >
In a message dated 5/23/2001 7:47:55 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > only when they reached England via > Holland did they make records of the refugees. ...Or perhaps their info is > in Holland records? Gayle, will you share the information and source that they went to Holland first? I've never seen that. Kathlynn
<A HREF="http://www.jbquinn.net/">jbquinn.net</A> John Oates book can be printed out on Jerry's website. The pages concerning the Kornegay's and related families anyway. Mr Oates was kind enough to allow Jerry to post it. As for the other book, I don't know. SHeila
Kathlynn, I forwarded Sue's post to you. Go to the highlighted part and read about the Palatine Germans. Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > In a message dated 5/23/2001 7:47:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > only when they reached England via > > Holland did they make records of the refugees. ...Or perhaps their info is > > in Holland records? > > Gayle, will you share the information and source that they went to Holland > first? I've never seen that. > > Kathlynn > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > Check out Rootsweb Resources for the Kornegay surname at: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/o/KORNEGAY/ > >
Hello everyone. This is Benny Huff. Does anyone know if the John Martin Oates book and the Charles Kornegay book are in print and if so how one might obtain them? I would love to get two copies of each. Benny ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > Hi Shelia, > Good question! I've wondered about this too, and also wondered why a list of > all of the Palatines form the Palatinate has never been located. It seems > unreal that there would only be a records in England of John George's family. > I wonder who found the record originally? I think we all just assumed the > earlier researchers claims were correct and carried them forward. And > apparently a lot was speculation based on a preponderance of evidence. > > Gayle, I am assuming you don't have the following so I'm sending for you, it > should answer your question [no names were given for the other family > members]. Note: It appears to me Oates added the bracketed parts. Also, > note Oates has "Kingdom Tolson" and Charles Kornegay's book has "Kingdom > Talsen." Which is correct!?!?!? > > From page 1 of book published 2-3-1996 by John Martin Oates, Jr., titled John > George Kornegay 1670 - 1711 - The Palatine Immigrant. > > Document preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, Board of > Trade, Misc.., Vol 2, Page 57. > 6 May 1709 - A list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > Palatinate into this Kingdom Tolsen in St. Catharine's. > (1) Hornigh (Kornegay now) - John George, age 38 years, [his] wife [no age], > sons (2) 8 and 2 years old, daughters (2) 12 and 10 years old. Member of > Reformed Church. Husbandman and Winedresser." > > The following was copied from page 9 of book published by Charles Kornegay > titled Kornegay History, 1710 - 1986 [Kathlynn insert - note both state > "list" > > List of Germans from the Palatinate > Who Came to England 1709 > Documents preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, > Board of Trade Misc., Vol 2, page 57. > 6 May 1709 - a list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > Palatinate into this Kingdom Talsen in St. Catherines > [1] Hornigh [Kornegay now] John George, age 38 years. > Wife, sons [2] 8 and 2 years old > Daughters, [2] 12 and 10 years old > Member - Reformed Church > Husbandman and Winedresser > > Kathlynn > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm >
Hi Shelia, Good question! I've wondered about this too, and also wondered why a list of all of the Palatines form the Palatinate has never been located. It seems unreal that there would only be a records in England of John George's family. I wonder who found the record originally? I think we all just assumed the earlier researchers claims were correct and carried them forward. And apparently a lot was speculation based on a preponderance of evidence. Gayle, I am assuming you don't have the following so I'm sending for you, it should answer your question [no names were given for the other family members]. Note: It appears to me Oates added the bracketed parts. Also, note Oates has "Kingdom Tolson" and Charles Kornegay's book has "Kingdom Talsen." Which is correct!?!?!? >From page 1 of book published 2-3-1996 by John Martin Oates, Jr., titled John George Kornegay 1670 - 1711 - The Palatine Immigrant. Document preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, Board of Trade, Misc.., Vol 2, Page 57. 6 May 1709 - A list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the Palatinate into this Kingdom Tolsen in St. Catharine's. (1) Hornigh (Kornegay now) - John George, age 38 years, [his] wife [no age], sons (2) 8 and 2 years old, daughters (2) 12 and 10 years old. Member of Reformed Church. Husbandman and Winedresser." The following was copied from page 9 of book published by Charles Kornegay titled Kornegay History, 1710 - 1986 [Kathlynn insert - note both state "list" List of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England 1709 Documents preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, Board of Trade Misc., Vol 2, page 57. 6 May 1709 - a list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the Palatinate into this Kingdom Talsen in St. Catherines [1] Hornigh [Kornegay now] John George, age 38 years. Wife, sons [2] 8 and 2 years old Daughters, [2] 12 and 10 years old Member - Reformed Church Husbandman and Winedresser Kathlynn
No just the man's name. Also it was spelled Hornigh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gayle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 23 May, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > Hi Barbara, > Did it give a name for the Mom? Gayle L > Or any other names for the girls and sons? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "albertjustice" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > > > > I'm not sure either,but i saw him in the ships passenger list and he had > > four kids two boys and two girls. He was in Charles Kornegays book as the > > father. I'm not sure where else i saw it. Maybe in the Oates book too. > > Barbara > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: 23 May, 2001 12:24 AM > > Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > > > > > > > Hello to All, > > > Not much from the list of late, but I know how life gets busy sometimes > > (more > > > often than not for me). > > > Hope everyone is doing ok and is well. > > > Ok, well I have been doing some research, or maybe I should say > > > re-researching to see if I can come up with more on John George Hornigh. > > So, > > > as I was sitting here pondering......I ran across someone who has posted > > the > > > List from St. Catherines. > > > Where did we come up with the fact that John George Hornigh was the > father > > of > > > George Kornegay? > > > It must be a touch of Alzheimers because I honestly can't remember. I > > know > > > we did not just grab this out of thin air. So can someone tell me the > > link > > > here? You know Jog my memory? > > > Getting older and/or more forgetful is the pits. > > > Sheila > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > To search mailing list archives go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm >
Thank you for this information. Apparently if they were not Catholic perhaps that is why the records were not kept on them. That is why they were fleeing from Palatinate and perhaps only when they reached England via Holland did they make records of the refugees. ...Or perhaps their info is in Holland records? Don't know only guessing. The site Sue posted was very interesting... Seems their was upheaval in France and Western Germany from mid 1500s til late 1600s. The French Huegunots were fleeing too...Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] A question to Ponder > Hi Shelia, > Good question! I've wondered about this too, and also wondered why a list of > all of the Palatines form the Palatinate has never been located. It seems > unreal that there would only be a records in England of John George's family. > I wonder who found the record originally? I think we all just assumed the > earlier researchers claims were correct and carried them forward. And > apparently a lot was speculation based on a preponderance of evidence. > > Gayle, I am assuming you don't have the following so I'm sending for you, it > should answer your question [no names were given for the other family > members]. Note: It appears to me Oates added the bracketed parts. Also, > note Oates has "Kingdom Tolson" and Charles Kornegay's book has "Kingdom > Talsen." Which is correct!?!?!? > > >From page 1 of book published 2-3-1996 by John Martin Oates, Jr., titled John > George Kornegay 1670 - 1711 - The Palatine Immigrant. > > Document preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, Board of > Trade, Misc.., Vol 2, Page 57. > 6 May 1709 - A list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > Palatinate into this Kingdom Tolsen in St. Catharine's. > (1) Hornigh (Kornegay now) - John George, age 38 years, [his] wife [no age], > sons (2) 8 and 2 years old, daughters (2) 12 and 10 years old. Member of > Reformed Church. Husbandman and Winedresser." > > The following was copied from page 9 of book published by Charles Kornegay > titled Kornegay History, 1710 - 1986 [Kathlynn insert - note both state > "list" > > List of Germans from the Palatinate > Who Came to England 1709 > Documents preserved in the British Museum Library, London, England, > Board of Trade Misc., Vol 2, page 57. > 6 May 1709 - a list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the > Palatinate into this Kingdom Talsen in St. Catherines > [1] Hornigh [Kornegay now] John George, age 38 years. > Wife, sons [2] 8 and 2 years old > Daughters, [2] 12 and 10 years old > Member - Reformed Church > Husbandman and Winedresser > > Kathlynn > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > >