can you make a connection Thanks Ruth Kornegay, Ronda Anne (1959 - ) b. 11 JUL 1959 in Lagrande, Union, or spouse: Ross, Robin Michael (1959 - ) - m. 15 SEP 1978 in Mt Vernon, Skagit, WA ----------child: Ross, Ryan Michael (1979 - ) ----------child: Ross, Richard Shaun (1980 - ) ----------child: Ross, Robin Willard (1982 - ) ----------child: Ross, Ragen John (1984 - ) ----------child: Ross, Randy Joshua James (1985 - ) ----------child: Ross, Ryannea Nichole (1988 - ) ----------child: Ross, Reggie Leeroy (1990 - ) ----------child: Ross, Riley Paul (1992 - )

That sounds like a good lead. I read that KINGS were chosen from that section. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth R. Westbrook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 13 June, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Konig or Koenig > Keep up the good work. > Thanks > Ruth > > > At 04:48 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Hello All, > >I have been e-mailing with a lady who is also a Fanconi Anemia parent who > >lives in Germany. > >She lives in the Rhineland/Palatinate Lander of Germany. I asked her > >about the Koenig and Konig name which translates to mean KING... > >She is going to ask her father in law about the Palatine Germans to > >inquire what she can find out for me. This area is about 60 miles from > >the French border...I will share what I learn. Gayle L. > > > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > >Check out Rootsweb Resources for the Kornegay surname at: > >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/o/KORNEGAY/ > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected] >

Keep up the good work. Thanks Ruth At 04:48 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hello All, >I have been e-mailing with a lady who is also a Fanconi Anemia parent who >lives in Germany. >She lives in the Rhineland/Palatinate Lander of Germany. I asked her >about the Koenig and Konig name which translates to mean KING... >She is going to ask her father in law about the Palatine Germans to >inquire what she can find out for me. This area is about 60 miles from >the French border...I will share what I learn. Gayle L. > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >Check out Rootsweb Resources for the Kornegay surname at: >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/o/KORNEGAY/

Hi to all, Another thing. I have a customer who is of German heritage and we were talking. I asked her the same questions. I spelled the Hornigh name and she stopped me and replied, "that in the German alphabet there is no gh used together" The article Sue Meinhart submitted a few weeks ago gave very good background history...Seems our ancestors were experiencing their woes along with the French Hueguenots...It is interesting that the medical doctors in England have been able to trace a FA family of German and French Hueguenot heritage to the Cape of Africa. This family migrated there in the late 1700s. So far researchers have identified up to 8 different genes responsible for Fanconi Aplastic Anemia. The French Hueguenot/German Family has the same complementation group FAA (A) that Dee Dee had...the others are B, C, D, E, F, G, H...So far A, C, E have been identified...researchers are working to identify the rest...Dr. Christopher Walsh of Chapel Hill is making progress on gene therapy-however-must work is still to be done to conquer this lethal disease. Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "albertjustice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Konig or Koenig > That sounds like a good lead. I read that KINGS were chosen from that > section. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth R. Westbrook" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 13 June, 2001 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Konig or Koenig > > > > Keep up the good work. > > Thanks > > Ruth > > > > > > At 04:48 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hello All, > > >I have been e-mailing with a lady who is also a Fanconi Anemia parent who > > >lives in Germany. > > >She lives in the Rhineland/Palatinate Lander of Germany. I asked her > > >about the Koenig and Konig name which translates to mean KING... > > >She is going to ask her father in law about the Palatine Germans to > > >inquire what she can find out for me. This area is about 60 miles from > > >the French border...I will share what I learn. Gayle L. > > > > > > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > >Check out Rootsweb Resources for the Kornegay surname at: > > >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/o/KORNEGAY/ > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected] > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected] > > >

Gayle....... Wonderful, I can't wait to hear something, anything that will give us some direction. Sheila

Hello All, I have been e-mailing with a lady who is also a Fanconi Anemia parent who lives in Germany. She lives in the Rhineland/Palatinate Lander of Germany. I asked her about the Koenig and Konig name which translates to mean KING... She is going to ask her father in law about the Palatine Germans to inquire what she can find out for me. This area is about 60 miles from the French border...I will share what I learn. Gayle L.

DOT KORNEGAY BILOXI — Services for Dot Kornegay will be held Thursday at 10 a.m. at Cedar Lake United Methodist Church. Burial will be in the church cemetery with Riemann Funeral Home in charge of arrangements. Mrs. Kornegay, 79, of Biloxi, died Monday, June 11, 2001, in Biloxi. She was a native of Meridian and a long time resident of Biloxi. She was a member of Cedar Lake United Methodist Church. Survivors include her husband, Buddy Kornegay of Biloxi; two sons, Kenny Kornegay of Ridgeland and Jerry Kornegay of Nashville; a daughter, Lanelle Kornegay McGee of Naples, Fla.; a brother, Ben Satterwhite of Brandon; a sister, Nell Smith of Birmingham, Ala.; six grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren. The family requests memorials be made to Quality Hospice, 1001 Howard Ave., Biloxi, MS 39530. Visitation will be today from 6 p.m.-9 p.m. at the funeral home.

Dear Kathlynn, As usual, you have given us some excellent information. Many Thanks, Marguerite -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich & Molecular Genealogy-DNA In a message dated 5/27/2001 1:30:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Dear Kathlynn, I find the DNA testing extremely interesting. > Could you keep us posted on the results of the tests done in your family? Will do. It's slow tho. If I forget - remind me later. > us some particulars about how it is done. > All I know: the following msg. was posted to my Strickland list around the first of the year informing us "There is a site on the web sponsored by Brigham Young University where you can read about Molecular Genealogy-DNA testing. Apparently they are travelling around the states taking blood samples from people who are of age and who have at least four generations on their family charts. They are going to be in my area in late January and I was thinking about participating. For those of you who are interested, you can access the site at: http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu Then a list member contacted BYU to find out details and offered to organize and manage the project. Abt. 140 list members committed. And from there he tell us what to do, what he needs, and when to send to him and he handles it all. So far I have sent $30. and a pedigree chart of biological ancestors back to immigrant. And of course we will have to go to our own Dr and pay for blook work. The primary things the group wants to know and we have been told that testing will reveal is if the "northern & southern" lines are related, the ones who have cherokee or jewish ancestors, etc. To learn more about this Process of Molecular Genealogy go to the Yahoo or Google search engines and type in Molecular Genealogy BYU and read the details. Or contact Ugo A. Perego - Director of Public Relations Molecular Genealogy Research Group site: http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu Or email: [email protected] Or call: (801) 378-1245 775 WIDB - BYU Provo, UT 84602 USA Or You can browse past messages in GENEALOGY-DNA-L and join the list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html Ann Turner [email protected] List Administrator [email protected] Hope this helps Kathlynn All I know is that a list member and > the cost? If it is done with the Kornegays, do > you think the double K's and triple K's > would yield clearer results? Of course,I > am a single Kornegay. The concept is fascinating. > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== To contact the list admin send email to [email protected]

In a message dated 5/27/2001 1:30:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Dear Kathlynn, I find the DNA testing extremely interesting. > Could you keep us posted on the results of the tests done in your family? Will do. It's slow tho. If I forget - remind me later. > us some particulars about how it is done. > All I know: the following msg. was posted to my Strickland list around the first of the year informing us "There is a site on the web sponsored by Brigham Young University where you can read about Molecular Genealogy-DNA testing.  Apparently they are travelling around the states taking blood samples from people who are of age and who have at least four generations on their family charts.  They are going to be in my area in late January and I was thinking about participating.  For those of you who are interested, you can access the site at: http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu Then a list member contacted BYU to find out details and offered to organize and manage the project. Abt. 140 list members committed. And from there he tell us what to do, what he needs, and when to send to him and he handles it all. So far I have sent $30. and a pedigree chart of biological ancestors back to immigrant. And of course we will have to go to our own Dr and pay for blook work. The primary things the group wants to know and we have been told that testing will reveal is if the "northern & southern" lines are related, the ones who have cherokee or jewish ancestors, etc. To learn more about this Process of Molecular Genealogy go to the Yahoo or Google search engines and type in Molecular Genealogy BYU and read the details. Or contact Ugo A. Perego - Director of Public Relations Molecular Genealogy Research Group site: http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu Or email: [email protected] Or call: (801) 378-1245 775 WIDB - BYU Provo, UT 84602 USA Or You can browse past messages in GENEALOGY-DNA-L and join the list at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html Ann Turner  [email protected] List Administrator [email protected] Hope this helps Kathlynn All I know is that a list member and > the cost? If it is done with the Kornegays, do > you think the double K's and triple K's > would yield clearer results? Of course,I > am a single Kornegay. The concept is fascinating. >

I am trying to find a descendent of William Spinks Kornegay. His father was R. A. Kornegay. William, Henrietta and Sarah were children from the 1st marriage to Sarah Needham. I can account for Sarah E and Henrietta. I would like to account for William Spinks. Grace Wisdom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 3:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] ATT Benny: John Oates - Charles Kornegay books In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:14:40 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Hello everyone. This is Benny Huff. Does anyone know if the John Martin > Oates book and the Charles Kornegay book are in print and if so how one > might obtain them? I would love to get two copies of each. > > Hi Benny, No neither are available. If all else fails let me know I can copy mine and send to you. Since there were no more available I contacted & got permission from Oates [said I could do anything I wanted to with it]. I mailed Jerry a copy, he had agreed to scan & put on site so everone could have access access to it. Therefore that would be the best place to to get it....copy & paste and then you won't have to manually key it all. As for Charles Kornegay's book...his has some errors that Oates tried to correct. Oates book contains mostly Kornegay documents [and that is why it was decided to put it on the site]. Charles' is mostly his lineage, but with some great Palatines history tho. Charles died several years ago....Oates agreeded that it would probably be acceptable to copy his book. We all owe much graditude to Oates. He is not a Kornegay descendant. He said because he ran across so many Kornegay documents while searching/gathering documents for a book about his own lineage, he was compelled to also gather documents for a book for the descendants of Kornegays. Now wasn't that a generous thing to do? A good brother, indeed! Let me know Kathlynn ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== To search mailing list archives go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm

Dear Kathlynn, I find the DNA testing extremely interesting. Could you keep us posted on the results of the tests done in your family? Can you give us some particulars about how it is done, and the cost? If it is done with the Kornegays, do you think the double K's and triple K's would yield clearer results? Of course,I am a single Kornegay. The concept is fascinating. Cousin Marguerite -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich >In a message dated 5/25/2001 1:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > > >> Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if >> their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick >> > >Right, Gayle....FWIW - BYU [Brigham Young University] is currently in the >process of doing this for my Strickland surname list members and for the same >purpose. >Kathlynn > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To search mailing list archives go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > >

In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:14:40 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Hello everyone. This is Benny Huff. Does anyone know if the John Martin > Oates book and the Charles Kornegay book are in print and if so how one > might obtain them? I would love to get two copies of each. > > Hi Benny, No neither are available. If all else fails let me know I can copy mine and send to you. Since there were no more available I contacted & got permission from Oates [said I could do anything I wanted to with it]. I mailed Jerry a copy, he had agreed to scan & put on site so everone could have access access to it. Therefore that would be the best place to to get it....copy & paste and then you won't have to manually key it all. As for Charles Kornegay's book...his has some errors that Oates tried to correct. Oates book contains mostly Kornegay documents [and that is why it was decided to put it on the site]. Charles' is mostly his lineage, but with some great Palatines history tho. Charles died several years ago....Oates agreeded that it would probably be acceptable to copy his book. We all owe much graditude to Oates. He is not a Kornegay descendant. He said because he ran across so many Kornegay documents while searching/gathering documents for a book about his own lineage, he was compelled to also gather documents for a book for the descendants of Kornegays. Now wasn't that a generous thing to do? A good brother, indeed! Let me know Kathlynn

While doing some research, I ran across this. It is very informative. Sheila http://www.germanheritage.com/Publications/cronau/cronau2.html

There are several places doing dna test. BYU ois doing a free one I believe you need to check with your local LDS Family History Center. Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "albertjustice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > That's a possibility but who would pay for it or even whom to contact? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gayle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 25 May, 2001 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > > > > Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if > > their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick > > descendants???? > > Gayle L. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > > > > > > > Holly-mole-ee, has anyone made any conclusions with all of this so far. > I > > > don't have time to study right now for conclusions. I have been in > PAIN, > > > PAIN, PAIN for weeks now...lifted, on my job, a totally paralized person > > > which resulted in [slipped disc] back injury. And, right now, all of my > > time > > > and energy has to go toward healing my poor bod. > > > > > > Anyway, I wanted to call you attention to the following for discernment > > [most > > > of you probably already have it]. With a quick review, it appears to me > > that > > > we are talking about two different John George's with the possibility of > > both > > > claiming the London Document John George Hornigh as ancestor of our NC > > > Kornegay's and Ireland Hornich. > > > > > > 1999 - descendant/researcher Eddie "Glitz" at [email protected] - > > writes: > > > Some time back I was told that there were Kornegays that went to Ireland > > in > > > 1709. That they came from the Palatinate area also. I got to thinking > > what > > > if John George had family [siblings, etc.] and one part went to Ireland > > and > > > one part came here. It is not such a far reach - given the camps and > > things > > > that went on back then. Anyway I found the following information in > "The > > > Palatine Families of Ireland" 2nd edition by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Picton > > > Press, Page 67 & 71: HORNICK [Horne, Horneck, Hornich] - the founder of > > this > > > prominent Co. Wexford was Johann Georg Hornich. A George Hoernig and > > wife > > > Salome Doerffel [who had married 12 May 1668] had a son Georg, baptized > 7 > > > April 1671 at 9500 Zwickau in the D.D.R. [LDS - IGI 1988 - This baptized > . > > > date does indeed match the emigrant's age at London in 1709. However, > it > > is > > > doubtful that this entry was the Irish settler's baptized as this area > of > > > Saxony was not at all a prime region of origin for 1709'ers]. A > Georgius > > > Hornig also was documented at 7553 Muggenstrurm: he married 9 April 1703 > > to > > > Maria Luts and they had a son Georgius baptized 7 Jan 1704 there. > > [Perhaps > > > the mother died as a] Georgius Hornig married 21 April 1704 to > Elizabeth > > > Johler in the same village [LDS - IGI 1988]. However, no proof exists > > that > > > this was the Co. Wexford family. Also, in the same book page 71 is the > > > following - I am including it since this name was found in 1711 along > with > > > Kornegay's in NC]. This family originated in the Pflatz at 6754 > Otterbery > > [6 > > > km. n. of Kaiserslautern] The emigrants to Ireland were Nicolaus Kuntz > > and > > > his wife Catharina Margaretha, whose stay in Ireland was registered in > the > > > church book at Otterberg! A Nicholas Kont and his wife were in the 2nd > > part > > > of Palatines in Holland in 1709 [Rotterdam lists]. Nicol Kuntze aged > 33, > > his > > > wife, sons aged 8, 7 and 4, and a daughter aged 1/2 years, ref., a > > > wheelwright, were in the 2nd. arrivals in England later that year > [London > > > Lists]. The rest has to do with Ireland. I just thought that this > > > information was very interesting and wanted to share it with the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > > To search mailing list archives go to: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > To search mailing list archives go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To post messages to this list send To: [email protected]; > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this listsend to > [email protected] > >

Hey i didn't think of that. That is a very good idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 25 May, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > In a message dated 5/25/2001 1:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if > > their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick > > > > Right, Gayle....FWIW - BYU [Brigham Young University] is currently in the > process of doing this for my Strickland surname list members and for the same > purpose. > Kathlynn > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To search mailing list archives go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm >

That's a possibility but who would pay for it or even whom to contact? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gayle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 25 May, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if > their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick > descendants???? > Gayle L. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > > > > Holly-mole-ee, has anyone made any conclusions with all of this so far. I > > don't have time to study right now for conclusions. I have been in PAIN, > > PAIN, PAIN for weeks now...lifted, on my job, a totally paralized person > > which resulted in [slipped disc] back injury. And, right now, all of my > time > > and energy has to go toward healing my poor bod. > > > > Anyway, I wanted to call you attention to the following for discernment > [most > > of you probably already have it]. With a quick review, it appears to me > that > > we are talking about two different John George's with the possibility of > both > > claiming the London Document John George Hornigh as ancestor of our NC > > Kornegay's and Ireland Hornich. > > > > 1999 - descendant/researcher Eddie "Glitz" at [email protected] - > writes: > > Some time back I was told that there were Kornegays that went to Ireland > in > > 1709. That they came from the Palatinate area also. I got to thinking > what > > if John George had family [siblings, etc.] and one part went to Ireland > and > > one part came here. It is not such a far reach - given the camps and > things > > that went on back then. Anyway I found the following information in "The > > Palatine Families of Ireland" 2nd edition by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Picton > > Press, Page 67 & 71: HORNICK [Horne, Horneck, Hornich] - the founder of > this > > prominent Co. Wexford was Johann Georg Hornich. A George Hoernig and > wife > > Salome Doerffel [who had married 12 May 1668] had a son Georg, baptized 7 > > April 1671 at 9500 Zwickau in the D.D.R. [LDS - IGI 1988 - This baptized . > > date does indeed match the emigrant's age at London in 1709. However, it > is > > doubtful that this entry was the Irish settler's baptized as this area of > > Saxony was not at all a prime region of origin for 1709'ers]. A Georgius > > Hornig also was documented at 7553 Muggenstrurm: he married 9 April 1703 > to > > Maria Luts and they had a son Georgius baptized 7 Jan 1704 there. > [Perhaps > > the mother died as a] Georgius Hornig married 21 April 1704 to Elizabeth > > Johler in the same village [LDS - IGI 1988]. However, no proof exists > that > > this was the Co. Wexford family. Also, in the same book page 71 is the > > following - I am including it since this name was found in 1711 along with > > Kornegay's in NC]. This family originated in the Pflatz at 6754 Otterbery > [6 > > km. n. of Kaiserslautern] The emigrants to Ireland were Nicolaus Kuntz > and > > his wife Catharina Margaretha, whose stay in Ireland was registered in the > > church book at Otterberg! A Nicholas Kont and his wife were in the 2nd > part > > of Palatines in Holland in 1709 [Rotterdam lists]. Nicol Kuntze aged 33, > his > > wife, sons aged 8, 7 and 4, and a daughter aged 1/2 years, ref., a > > wheelwright, were in the 2nd. arrivals in England later that year [London > > Lists]. The rest has to do with Ireland. I just thought that this > > information was very interesting and wanted to share it with the list. > > > > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > To search mailing list archives go to: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to > http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To search mailing list archives go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm >

In a message dated 5/25/2001 1:49:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if > their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick > Right, Gayle....FWIW - BYU [Brigham Young University] is currently in the process of doing this for my Strickland surname list members and for the same purpose. Kathlynn

Perhaps DNA testing would help to establish if their is a connection between the Kornegay descendants and the Hornick descendants???? Gayle L. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY-L] Fwd: Re: John George Hornich > Holly-mole-ee, has anyone made any conclusions with all of this so far. I > don't have time to study right now for conclusions. I have been in PAIN, > PAIN, PAIN for weeks now...lifted, on my job, a totally paralized person > which resulted in [slipped disc] back injury. And, right now, all of my time > and energy has to go toward healing my poor bod. > > Anyway, I wanted to call you attention to the following for discernment [most > of you probably already have it]. With a quick review, it appears to me that > we are talking about two different John George's with the possibility of both > claiming the London Document John George Hornigh as ancestor of our NC > Kornegay's and Ireland Hornich. > > 1999 - descendant/researcher Eddie "Glitz" at [email protected] - writes: > Some time back I was told that there were Kornegays that went to Ireland in > 1709. That they came from the Palatinate area also. I got to thinking what > if John George had family [siblings, etc.] and one part went to Ireland and > one part came here. It is not such a far reach - given the camps and things > that went on back then. Anyway I found the following information in "The > Palatine Families of Ireland" 2nd edition by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Picton > Press, Page 67 & 71: HORNICK [Horne, Horneck, Hornich] - the founder of this > prominent Co. Wexford was Johann Georg Hornich. A George Hoernig and wife > Salome Doerffel [who had married 12 May 1668] had a son Georg, baptized 7 > April 1671 at 9500 Zwickau in the D.D.R. [LDS - IGI 1988 - This baptized . > date does indeed match the emigrant's age at London in 1709. However, it is > doubtful that this entry was the Irish settler's baptized as this area of > Saxony was not at all a prime region of origin for 1709'ers]. A Georgius > Hornig also was documented at 7553 Muggenstrurm: he married 9 April 1703 to > Maria Luts and they had a son Georgius baptized 7 Jan 1704 there. [Perhaps > the mother died as a] Georgius Hornig married 21 April 1704 to Elizabeth > Johler in the same village [LDS - IGI 1988]. However, no proof exists that > this was the Co. Wexford family. Also, in the same book page 71 is the > following - I am including it since this name was found in 1711 along with > Kornegay's in NC]. This family originated in the Pflatz at 6754 Otterbery [6 > km. n. of Kaiserslautern] The emigrants to Ireland were Nicolaus Kuntz and > his wife Catharina Margaretha, whose stay in Ireland was registered in the > church book at Otterberg! A Nicholas Kont and his wife were in the 2nd part > of Palatines in Holland in 1709 [Rotterdam lists]. Nicol Kuntze aged 33, his > wife, sons aged 8, 7 and 4, and a daughter aged 1/2 years, ref., a > wheelwright, were in the 2nd. arrivals in England later that year [London > Lists]. The rest has to do with Ireland. I just thought that this > information was very interesting and wanted to share it with the list. > > > > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > To search mailing list archives go to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.jbquinn.net/Family_History/index.htm > >

Holly-mole-ee, has anyone made any conclusions with all of this so far. I don't have time to study right now for conclusions. I have been in PAIN, PAIN, PAIN for weeks now...lifted, on my job, a totally paralized person which resulted in [slipped disc] back injury. And, right now, all of my time and energy has to go toward healing my poor bod. Anyway, I wanted to call you attention to the following for discernment [most of you probably already have it]. With a quick review, it appears to me that we are talking about two different John George's with the possibility of both claiming the London Document John George Hornigh as ancestor of our NC Kornegay's and Ireland Hornich. 1999 - descendant/researcher Eddie "Glitz" at [email protected] - writes: Some time back I was told that there were Kornegays that went to Ireland in 1709. That they came from the Palatinate area also. I got to thinking what if John George had family [siblings, etc.] and one part went to Ireland and one part came here. It is not such a far reach - given the camps and things that went on back then. Anyway I found the following information in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" 2nd edition by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. Picton Press, Page 67 & 71: HORNICK [Horne, Horneck, Hornich] - the founder of this prominent Co. Wexford was Johann Georg Hornich. A George Hoernig and wife Salome Doerffel [who had married 12 May 1668] had a son Georg, baptized 7 April 1671 at 9500 Zwickau in the D.D.R. [LDS - IGI 1988 - This baptized . date does indeed match the emigrant's age at London in 1709. However, it is doubtful that this entry was the Irish settler's baptized as this area of Saxony was not at all a prime region of origin for 1709'ers]. A Georgius Hornig also was documented at 7553 Muggenstrurm: he married 9 April 1703 to Maria Luts and they had a son Georgius baptized 7 Jan 1704 there. [Perhaps the mother died as a] Georgius Hornig married 21 April 1704 to Elizabeth Johler in the same village [LDS - IGI 1988]. However, no proof exists that this was the Co. Wexford family. Also, in the same book page 71 is the following - I am including it since this name was found in 1711 along with Kornegay's in NC]. This family originated in the Pflatz at 6754 Otterbery [6 km. n. of Kaiserslautern] The emigrants to Ireland were Nicolaus Kuntz and his wife Catharina Margaretha, whose stay in Ireland was registered in the church book at Otterberg! A Nicholas Kont and his wife were in the 2nd part of Palatines in Holland in 1709 [Rotterdam lists]. Nicol Kuntze aged 33, his wife, sons aged 8, 7 and 4, and a daughter aged 1/2 years, ref., a wheelwright, were in the 2nd. arrivals in England later that year [London Lists]. The rest has to do with Ireland. I just thought that this information was very interesting and wanted to share it with the list.

--27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: John George Hornich" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re: John George Hornich" Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from smtp.bwn.net ([216.146.128.221]) by eggs.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <[email protected]> for <[email protected]>; Thu, 24 May 2001 21:25:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 7401 invoked from network); 25 May 2001 04:24:58 -0000 Received: from 216-146-187-85.bwn.net (HELO jan-s-pii-450) (216.146.187.85) by smtp.bwn.net with SMTP; 25 May 2001 04:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Jan Hornick" <[email protected]> To: "joe kornegay" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: John George Hornich Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:27:46 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dear Joe, Following are my notes on John George Hornick or Johann Georg Hornigh. Of all of the notes, I judge the information from Brian Keogh of County Wexford to be the most authoritative. Brian questions some of the information from Lydia Hornick and others. Good luck in your search to either refute or confirm the claims of Kornegay researchers! Best Wishes! Jan Hornick, Denver, Colorado ************************************** !BIRTH-SON-DESCENDANTS: Information from Walt Hornick, February 11, 2000. NOTE: Walt sent 1085 descendants and/or spouses of John George Hornigh, most of whom settled in Ontario, Canada. The following information was posted by Jean Rice, [email protected], on the Limerick, Ireland website on 23 Jun 2000: PALATINES: "Prior to 1871, what is now Germany consisted of a number of separate states such as Wurttemberg, Prussia, Bavaria, etc., whose boundaries changed frequently as a result of war and other causes. The Palantinate was one of these states, and was located along the Rhine, roughly corresponding to the modern German state of Rhineland-Pfalz." "In 1709 several hundred Palatine families settled in Ireland. A combination of economic hardship causd by war and a severe winter led to the exodus. Queen Anne received them in England and sent some to Ireland to the estates of sympathetic Protestant landlords. They established roots, mainly in the Rathkeale area of County Limerick, Ireland, where about 1,200 of them settled on the estate of Thomas Southwell. Other colonies were set up in Old Ross and Gorey, County Wexford and in Counties Cork and Dublin. Though the Limerick Palatines spread out to other areas, particularly north Kerry and Tipperary, Rathkeale remained an important focal point." **************************************************************************** ** Brian Keogh, Hornick descendant, researcher and resident of County Wexford, Ireland, wrote to Jan Hornick on 22 April 2001: "Only the first four Board of Trade Lists (that of May 6, 1709) is included here that group of 825 persons is mentioned in the Embarkation Lists from Holland ......." "John George Hornigh, w, with a wife, two sons, 2 daus (the "w" after JGH's name stands for a vinedresser) "The above is mentioned in 'Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration' by Walter Allen Knittle, Philadelphia, 1937. This book has been reprinted by The Genealogical Company of Baltimore, MD on numerous occasions. To date it is the only publication that fully tells the Palatine story from an in depth scholastic study using all source material where possible - however Knittle spent little time on Co. Wexford families - however the book is a must for anyone searching the Palatine background. "So from this one can see that our Hornick family were among the first arrivals - although I suspect that the travelled privately, even being a little more private whilst in Ireland. "The second source is from 'The Palatine Families of Ireland' 2nd edition 1990 Picton Press, Camden, Maine, by Henry Z. Jones Jr. who states:- "'The founder of this prominent Co.Wexford family was Johann George Hornich. John George Hornick aged 38 years, his wife, sons 8 and 2 yrs., daughters aged 12 and 10 yrs., Ref., husbandman and vindresser......' "This book also mentions the earliest marriage settlement discovered, by me, between Philip Hornick son of George and Ann of Old Ross, and Margaret Hofman daughter of Peter of Kilmichael, on the 28th of May 1738. When looking at this see also the Hoffman family! "Regarding the name Whitney connected to Hornick it must be stressed that the Whitney's and the Hornick's married on numerous occasions. I has a Will for Benjamin Whitney of Old Ross dated 1843, and copies all documents concerning the Hornick family and know not only the country locations, but also understand the meaning of the civil, legal, geographical, and the various interpretations required to understand fully what should be taken down as fact and wishful thinking, bearing in mind always that following generations will be accepting our written [words] as fact!" Brian reported in a telephone call to Jan Hornick on 4 May 2001 that this family was likely from an area near Heidelberg, Germany. **************************************************************************** *** The following article tells of the Palatine Immigration to England, Ireland and America. The source is Kraig Ruckel's Palatine and Pennsylvania-Dutch Genealogy website: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3955/palatine.htm, February 2000. "The winter of 1708-1709 was very long and cold in the Rhineland. It was a very bleak period. People huddled around their fires as they considered quitting their homes and farms forever. By early April, the land was still frozen and most of the Palatines' vines had been killed by the bitter weather. Since 1702 their country had been enduring war and there was little hope for the future. The Thirty Years War lay heavy on their minds, a period in which one out of every three Germans had perished. "The Palatines were heavily taxed and endured religious persecution. As the people considered their future, the older ones remembered that, in 1677, William Penn had visited the area, encouraging the people to go to Pennsylvania in America, a place where a man and his family could be free of the problems they were now encountering. "To go to America meant a long, dreadful ocean voyage and a future in an unknown land, away from their past and family. Everyone knew that the German Elector would stop any migration as soon as it was noticed. Only a mass exodus from the Palatinate could be successful. Many wondered how they could ever finance such a journey even if they wanted to attempt it. Small boats, known as scows, would have to be acquired for the long ride down the Rhine River and then there was the price for the ocean voyage. While some of the people had relatives that could assist them financially, many were very poor. Soon enough, their minds were made up for them as France's King Louis XIV invaded their land, ravaging especially the towns in the Lower Palatinate. "In masses, the Palatines boarded their small boats and headed down the Rhine for Rotterdam. It was April 1709 and the first parties were afloat on the Rhine, many with only their most basic goods and their faith in God as their only possessions. The river voyage took an average of 4-6 weeks through extremely cold, bitter weather. By June, 1709, the people streamed into Rotterdam at a rate of one thousand per week. The Elector, as expected, issued an edict forbidding the migration, but almost everyone ignored it. By October, 1709, more than 10,000 Palatines had completed the Rhine River journey. "The Duke of Marlborough was assigned by Queen Anne to transport the immigrants to England. British troop ships were also used. The Queen assumed these Protestants would help fuel the anti-Roman feelings developing in England. The ships from Rotterdam landed, in part, at Deptford and the refugees were sent to one of three camps at Deptford, Camberwell, and Blackheath outside the city wall of London. Many Londoner's welcomed the Palatines, but the poor were not, as they felt their English food was being taken from them to feed the Germans. British newspapers published mixed accounts of the Palatines, some praising them while others cursed them. "Over 3,000 of these Palatines were sent to Ireland, again to reinforce the Protestant faith in that land. The trip from England to Ireland was short, taking only about 24 hours." **************************************************************************** *** Information to Jan Hornick of Englewood, Colorado from Walt Hornick of Ontario, Canada, <[email protected]>, 18 March 2000: "In a book called The Irish Palatines of Ontario by Carolyn Head there is a paragraph referring to the Hornicks of Wexford County...'The Palatines found themselves in a particulary unpleasant situation, being Protestants at a time when sectarian fever ran high. Not only were they Protestants, but the Palatines, following on visits from John Wesley, had also become Methodists...which made them even more ostentatious. The situation was exacerbated by an incident that had occurre about twenty years before with the wave of Whiteboy terrorism that swept over the county. George Hornick, a Palatine, had formed a Whiteboy Defense League after successfully repelling an attaack of Whiteboys on his house in 1775. When the Rebellion came, Hornick was singled out for special treatment and was piked to death. The town of Old Ross was violently attacked, all but four of the 100 houses torched and burned to the ground.'" "In our family history Phillip Hornick was shot in front of the Scullabogue House and his body burned along with other loyalists in a barn at Scullabogue.....A distant cousin of mine has a silver watch that Phillip had on his person at the time, the watch was used to identify the body. The watch was severely damaged, but is kept in a display case." **************************************************************************** *** Walt also wrote on 2 March 2000, in response to Jan's inquiry for sources - Jan wrote on 1 March 2000: "John Georg Hornigh (Hornick), immigrant to Ireland from the Palatinate, is shown as born in 1671. Do you happen to know the source of that? His son, George, is shown as being born in 1794, which must be an error as his son Philip is shown marrying in 1738. It would be so great if we could 'fill in the gaps' on our joint Hornick lines!" Walt answered, including his lineage, on 2 March 2000: "JOHN GEORGE HORNICK BORN 1671 GEORGE HORNICK PHILIP HORNICK PHILIP HORNICK JOHN HORNICK BORN 1765 JOHN WHITNEY HORNICK BORN 1818 JOHN WILLIAM HORNICK BORN 1855 GARNET SHERMAN HORNICK BORN 1892 GARNET DOUGLAS HORNICK BORN 1919 WALTER DOUGLAS HORNICK BORN 1942 "It can be really confusing because of the use of similar names.....JOHN WHITNEY HORNICK HAD BROTHERS, ROBERT, ALEXANDER, PHILIP, THOMAS, GEORGE, PETER, HE ALSO HAD UNCLES ,JOHN, GEORGE AND GREAT UNCLES THOMAS, GEORGE, PHILIP "PETER HORNICK, THE FATHER OF JOHN AND WILLIAM (FATHER OF CW HORNICK) WAS PROBABLY A BROTHER OF JOHN WHITNEY....I SAY THAT WILLIAM WAS A BROTHER OF JOHN BECAUSE CW WAS REFERRED TO AS JOHN'S NEPHEW IN JOHN'S OBIT...CW ALSO WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF COMPANIES THAT JOHN HORNICK WAS ASSOCIATED WITH..IT LOOKS LIKE WILLIAM DIED YOUNG AND JOHN BECAME CW'S MENTOR....GIVEN THE STATE OF RECORDS ITS HARD TO CONFIRM ANYTHING ..................REGARDS WALT" **************************************************************************** *** HISTORY: On 11 Feb 2000 Walt Hornick sent the following information written by Lydia Hornick of Canada in 1983. See Jan Hornick's "Hornick Genealogy" e-mail file for the original of the following information, entered as exactly as possible: "The Hornicks - Part I - compiled by Lydia Hornick and aided by Trudy Hornick, researchers at Trinity College, Dublin Ireland and many Hornick relatives. "The Hornicks In Ireland" "From R. Keogh's book entitled England "Families called Hornick's, Hatrick's and Poole's settled in Old Ross County, Wexford, Ireland about the Tenth Century. They came from North England". Thus wrote the researcher from Trinity College, Dublin. "As a result of the above information I [presumably Lydia Hornick] went to the genealogical section of the Metropolitan Toronto Reference Library. They could give me no information about F. Keogh or his book "England". I searched quickly through the History of Wexford and I could find no reference to Hornicks in the area during the tenth to seventeenth centuries. "A report of search made by Trinity College, Dublin follows. 'There seems no doubt but that the family of Hornicks were of Palatine origin and were settled in Ireland by 1709 near Old Ross. They were presumably settled as tenants on the Ram estates. Among those of Palatine origin who settled near Old Ross is one John George Hornigh aged 38 years in 1709. He is listed in the Census of Palatines in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" by Hank James. "Free holders of land registered in Wexford County were John Hornigh 1748, likely the son of John George above; John Hornick in 1758 and George Hornick in 1759, in all possibility the two latter were grandsons of John George mentioned in above paragraph. "The Hornick families evidently suffered considerably during the 1798 insurrection as five Hornicks' claims for damages are entered in the Report of the Commissions which inquired as to losses. "The Hornicks who received compensation for losses suffered in 1798 were Elizabeth Hornick, Mount Nebo, John Hornick Old Ross, George Hornick, Gerrane, Peter Hornick, Old Ross and Thomas Hornick, Gerrane. "During the rebellion of 1798 the rebels sought out Protestants living in and about Ross, Duncannon, and Newton-bary. These were the only places in Wexford County occupied by loyalists. Some were taken to the rebel camp. Others were put into the house and barn of Mr. King of Sculabogue. On June 9, 1798 the bar was burned. During the time the barn was in flames, according to the information in the book 'Philip Hornick was shot in front of the Scullabogue house', p. 101. George Hornick of Kell-Anne had two sons living in Enniscorthy. One was a clergyman and the other son was an apprentice to an apothecary. They were both killed by the rebels. George Hornick was Philip Hornick's nephew. Philip Hornick had a heavy silver watch in his pocket. This watch served as identification when his family sought for him among the dead at Scullabogue. This watch is in the possession of Leonard Brown, Windsor, Ont. Leonard Brown's mother was Anne Hornick, the youngest daughter of John Whitney Hornick. Anne said that the watch had belonged to her great grandfather. Herbert Hornick said his grandfather had been John Hornick. John's brother George migrated to Canada and brought with him his wife Sarah and son Philip in 1831. "The Hornicks who attended Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland were John Hornick, son of George, from 1765-83 [Are these broad time spans correct? jgh], leaving with his matric; George Hornick, son of George Agricola attending from 1775-99 graduating with a B.A. degree; George Hornick, son of Philip attending from 1814-42 graduating with a B.A. degree; Robert Hornick son of John Hornick attending from 1816-36 and leaving with his matric; Thomas Little Hornick, son of Philip attending from 1822-1850 receiving his matric in 1844 and his B.A. in 1850. All were born in Wexford and from the dates it appears that they obtained all their schooling at Trinity College or schools under its sponsorship. "The following Hornick marriages recorded in Ireland were sent to me by Trinity College, Dublin. "Peter Hornick and Elizabeth Poole 1777 Eliza Hornick and Samuel Buttle 1785 Mary Hornick and Charles Cooper 1793 Philip Hornick and Elizabeth Gifford 1797 Mary Hornick and Chapman Graham 1793 Lydia Hornick and Thomas Bassett 1801 Joseph Hornick and Sarah Dowdall 1806 Anne Hornick and William Hartrick 1806 Ann Hornick and Samuel Boyce 1806 John Hornick and Sarah Boyce 1812 Philip Hornick and Anne Dalton 1803 Mary Hornick and Thomas Horton 1820 Elizabeth Hornick and Michael Sexsmith 1822 Thomas Hornick and Anne Mitchell 1824 John Hornick and Mary Whitney 1825 William Hornick and Ann Mathers 1827 Thomas Hornick and Eliza Langford 1828 "Griffith's Valuation lists only four Hornick householders in Wexford County in 1853. Emigration had thus reduced the number of Hornicks left in Ireland." --27330495.990800223108.JavaMail.imail.bubbles.excite.com--