I got an email from her just two days ago sent from this address: ruth245@centurylink.net -------------------------------------------------- From: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:27 AM To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KORNEGAY] Mailer Daemon > Ruth Westbrook at _ruth245@gsiwave.com_ (mailto:ruth245@gsiwave.com) > email was returned "unknown user" Ruth, or anyone else, will you please > send > me current email address? > ~Kathlynn~ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3388 - Release Date: 01/18/11 >

Ruth Westbrook at _ruth245@gsiwave.com_ (mailto:ruth245@gsiwave.com) email was returned "unknown user" Ruth, or anyone else, will you please send me current email address? ~Kathlynn~

Thank you for the recent information on Rockalena KORNEGAY WARD. It looks like some of us are related in more ways than one. My ancestors in Lower Norfolk and Princess Ann Cos VA are: MARTIN, KEELING, KEMPE, LOVETT, FOSTER, CARRAWAY, CANNON, CORNICK In Princess Ann Co VA Probate and Land records abstracted from deed books 1-7 , 1691 to 1755 by Anne E. Mailing. 2 Nov 1692: Joell MARTIN son of John MARTIN, dec. to Adam KEELING 250 acres called The Great Plantation. Wit. Alexander KEELING, Henry WOODHOUSE 13Nov 1693: Adam KEELING sells land formerly belonging to John MARTIN which went to his oldest son John MARTIN who died intestate so it went to my mother Ann, widow of Capt. Adam KEELING now wife of John RICHARDSON who gave it to son Adam KEELING who now sells it to uncle Alexander KEELING the Great Plantation. Wit: Adam THROWGOOD, Adam HAYES . 5 Feb 1716/17: John and Sarah CARRUTHERS and brother William and wife Elizabeth for 15 lbs., 155 acres to John DAULEY, part of a patent taken by Denis DAULEY and given to daughter Elizabeth. Wit John GISBORN, Edward CANNON. (this is the only reference to CARRUTHERS in this book but there are many references to above names) I haven/t been able to connect the WARDS but I have not worked on these families in a long time. Pat Hoffman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BHSKFamily Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kornegay/167.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I cannot find the link to tie this family to other Kornegays, any additional info would be appreciated. I currently have over 1500 Kornegays in my family tree. Roy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BHSKFamily Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kornegay/97.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Parents were Basil Kornegay & Tabitha King. I have additional information if you are still active on Ancestry. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I found a George Kornegay married to Lula _______. I have no dates for them and no children. They are a dead end for me. BUT, I do have his parents: Edward Augusta Kornegay (b. 10 Mar 1837 in Thomas Co., Georgia; d. 15 Jul 1882, Miles, Runnels Co. Texas) married 2 Jul 1857 in Thomas Co. Georgia to Lucinda Jane Monroe (b. 5 Sept 1841; d. 29 Dec 1929, Purmela, Coryell Co. Texas). Their children were: Thomas Daniel (b. 11 Feb 1858, d. Mar 1940); Edward Augusta Jr. (b. 10 Feb 1864, d. 1951); James; George; Make; Kate; Sis; Bernice; Estelle; Mary Katherine. No dates for the children other than the first two listed. Lucinda Jan Monroe's parents are Malcom Munro and Susan Adams Edward Augusta Kornegay's parents are Daniel Kornegay (1809-1858) and Sarah Ann Everett (1813-1845). I can go further back on the Kornegay line if you need it. This may be enough for you to tie them in. Matt Ward ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] KORNEGAY Lula T and George F > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: BHSKFamily > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kornegay/167.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I cannot find the link to tie this family to other Kornegays, any > additional info would be appreciated. > I currently have over 1500 Kornegays in my family tree. > Roy > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Such a clever idea to research the name. I would never have dreamed it would be famous. Thanks Matt. ________________________________ From: "Kathlynn3@aol.com" <Kathlynn3@aol.com> To: kornegay@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 5:28:36 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY] Elizabeth MARTIN [widow of John Fontaine] 1st wife of Capt. Jacob Kornegay Matt ask that I try to send this....he has tried many times and it is  returned undelivered.....again.  Wish someone would tell us why this is  happening and what can be done about it. ~Kathlynn~ Some background on the name Rockalena Henry Matthew  Ward Our ancestor, Rockalena Kornegay (as it is found spelled in  the marriage records of Duplin Co. NC upon her marriage to John Ward, Jr., has  an unusual given name.  We descendants have wondered whether the name was  recorded properly in this document because we have not found it anywhere else  with that spelling.  On her tombstone, it is carved “Rocksolany.”  Either way, the name is unusual.  Subsequent descendants who were  presumably named after her have had more conventional spellings such as “Roxie  Laney.”  There may be no “correct” spelling.  We must  remember, in the previous centuries there were fewer well-educated citizens who  could put a “traditional ” spelling to a name.  Many were totally illiterate  and couldn’t spell there own name.  To those to whom they told their name  for the purposes of writing it into a document that would be preserved such as a  marriage recording in the county seat court house, the sometimes barely literate  writer just spelled it like it sounded to them.  That goes for last names  as well.  Thus, we have Kornegay, Knege, Gnaegi, Gnegy, Gnagi, Gnecki,  Gnage, Kenege, Knag, Knegi, Knecky, Kinige, Kenaga, Carnegie, and even  Hornigh.  But, for a given name, Rockalena, is one of the  most unusual.  So, I have done some research on it to see what would turn  up.  Maybe something will give us further hints into the early Kornegay  heritage. Roxelana is found as the name of Her Imperial Majesty,  The Empress consort Hürrem Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (c. 1510-1558).  The name has been transliterated as Roksolana, and Roxolana.  The name may  not have been a proper name but a nickname referring to her Ukrainian  heritage.  The common contemporary name is Ruslana.  Roxolany or  Roxelany was one of the names of East Slavs, inhabitants of the present Ukraine,  up to the 15th century.  Thus her name would literally mean “the Ruthenian  one”.  (Then, the terms "Ruthenians" or "Ruthenes" were the Latin terms  referring to Slavic Orthodox people (they spoke the Ruthenian language).  According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources,  Hürrem (Roxelana) was born to a father who was a Ukrainian (Ruthenian in the  terminology of the day) Orthodox priest.  She was born in the town of  Rohatyn in Red Ruthenia which was then a part of the Kingdom of Poland, today’s  western Ukraine.  In the 1520s, she was captured by Crimean Tatars during  one of their frequent raids into this region and taken as a slave, ultimately to  Istanbul, and was selected for Süleyman's harem.  She  eventually became the Sultan’s favorite and was freed and became his legal  wife.  Her son, Selim, inherited the empire.  Hürrem (Roxelana) may  have acted as her husband’s adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had  an influence upon foreign affairs and international politics.  Two of her letters to the Polish King Sigismund II Augustus have been preserved.  She was active in charitable works including public buildings from  Mecca to Jerusalem, a mosque, two Koranic schools, a fountain, a women’s  hospital, and a soup kitchen to feed the poor and needy.  Hürrem, or Roxelana, as she is better known in Europe, is  well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many  artistic works.  She has inspired paintings, musical works (including  Joseph Haydn’s Symphony No. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays,  and several novels written mainly in Ukrainian, but also in English, French and  German.  She is likely the original inspiration for many  subsequent girls to be named Roxolana (Roksolana).  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Matt, good research Andrew Ward In a message dated 9/20/2010 4:25:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mward39@bellsouth.net writes: Kathlynn, did I send you the research on the Roxalana name? If you have it, try posting it. I have tried over and over and it never appears. Must have some HTTP or whatever imbedded in it that the Kornegay list serve won't pass on. I sure don't want to hand type the whole thing into a new post. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY] Elizabeth MARTIN [widow of John Fontaine] 1st wife ofCapt, Jacob Kornegay > Please be aware this is not my research, all information is submitted as > clues for more research & discernment. However, I find no reason to > doubt > that Elizabeth is the dtr. of John Martin & Roesolanah/Rocksolana > Carruthers....based on: > [a] Elizabeth and Jacob named a son Martin and a dtr. Rockalena [per > marriage record] / Rocksolany [per grave marker located on Ward Hollow > Plantation land in Smith, now Trousdale, Co, TN] m: John Ward. > Descendants in > several collateral lines in later generations can be found spelled: > Roccelaney, > Roxylanie, Roxy Lanie, Roxie Laney, etc. > [b] Rockalena/Rocksolany & John Ward had dtr. Nancy Ward [m: 1st cousin > Miller Kornegay] and they named a dtr. Roxalana Kornegay [per marriage > record > & census] > CONCLUSION: It all fits and the naming pattern is also consistent for the > time frame, "1st. daughter named after mothers mother." > > Sources: > 1. 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithe able with 200 acres on > the > western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct, NC [3-8-2010 > from > Mary Ward: _jacbrax@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jacbrax@yahoo.com) ]. > > 2. [1737] John Martin who made his will in Bath Co NC in 1737, he > named his wife, Rocksolana [sic], sons John Joseph, dau. Elizabeth and > unborn > child in his will. He left land jointly to dau. Elizabeth & his unborn > child. Jacob Kornegay & his wife Elizabeth sold their half of that land, > left to > her by the will of her father John Martin in 1737, in Beaufort County in > 1772. When Elizabeth's 1st hus, John Fontaine d. in 1758, Joseph Martin > (her > brother) & Joseph Carruthers (her cousin) were securities for her. > Elizabeth was not of Huguenot descent. Her father John Martin was the son > of Joel > Martin and Elizabeth Ward, originally of Lower Norfolk County. Her > mother, > Rocksolana's, maiden name was Carruthers [Ibid: Mary Ward] > 2a. 1737 Beaufort Precinct March Court: will of John Martin proved by > the oath of Job IVES and exhibited into court by Roesolanah Martin, > widow > & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book 5 [Ibid: Mary > Ward] > 2b. Same as above from Hyde Co., NC Index of Wills: *MARTIN, John > *1737 > * Probate: Beaufort Precinct March Court 1737. The will was proved by the > oath of Job IVES and the will was exhibited into court by Roesolanah > MARTIN, widow & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book > 5. Note: > In 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithable in Hyde Prct. with 200 acres > on the western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct. [From: > _http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm_ > (http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm) > Kathlynn comments......[a] NOTE: Spelled Rocksolana in one place and > Roesolanah in another!? CONCLUSION: NEED complete copies of the above > documents [to replace these abstracts]. I do not like to totally depend > on > abstracts thwarted with other people's discernment added into the body of > the > abstract. Plus need other documents to determine if this Martin lineage: > John > Martin [wife Roesolanah Carruthers] and his father Joel [wife Elizabeth > Ward] and Joel's father John [wife Ann Keeling] connects to my > Martin/Smalley > lineage, i.e., Lydia Martin [d.o. John Martin [immigrant] & Ester/Hester > Roberts] m: John Smalley Jr. [s.o. John Smalley [immigrant] & Ann > Walden/Wallen]......[b] Hyde Co. created 1705 from Wickham, Pres. Bath Co. > County > Seat: Swanquarter 27885. Bath Co. created 1696-discontinued in 1739 - > Beaufort created 1705 from Bath [formerly Archdale - County Seat > Washington 27889? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Matt ask that I try to send this....he has tried many times and it is returned undelivered.....again. Wish someone would tell us why this is happening and what can be done about it. ~Kathlynn~ Some background on the name Rockalena Henry Matthew Ward Our ancestor, Rockalena Kornegay (as it is found spelled in the marriage records of Duplin Co. NC upon her marriage to John Ward, Jr., has an unusual given name. We descendants have wondered whether the name was recorded properly in this document because we have not found it anywhere else with that spelling. On her tombstone, it is carved “Rocksolany.” Either way, the name is unusual. Subsequent descendants who were presumably named after her have had more conventional spellings such as “Roxie Laney.” There may be no “correct” spelling. We must remember, in the previous centuries there were fewer well-educated citizens who could put a “traditional ” spelling to a name. Many were totally illiterate and couldn’t spell there own name. To those to whom they told their name for the purposes of writing it into a document that would be preserved such as a marriage recording in the county seat court house, the sometimes barely literate writer just spelled it like it sounded to them. That goes for last names as well. Thus, we have Kornegay, Knege, Gnaegi, Gnegy, Gnagi, Gnecki, Gnage, Kenege, Knag, Knegi, Knecky, Kinige, Kenaga, Carnegie, and even Hornigh. But, for a given name, Rockalena, is one of the most unusual. So, I have done some research on it to see what would turn up. Maybe something will give us further hints into the early Kornegay heritage. Roxelana is found as the name of Her Imperial Majesty, The Empress consort Hürrem Sultan of the Ottoman Empire (c. 1510-1558). The name has been transliterated as Roksolana, and Roxolana. The name may not have been a proper name but a nickname referring to her Ukrainian heritage. The common contemporary name is Ruslana. Roxolany or Roxelany was one of the names of East Slavs, inhabitants of the present Ukraine, up to the 15th century. Thus her name would literally mean “the Ruthenian one”. (Then, the terms "Ruthenians" or "Ruthenes" were the Latin terms referring to Slavic Orthodox people (they spoke the Ruthenian language). According to late 16th-century and early 17th-century sources, Hürrem (Roxelana) was born to a father who was a Ukrainian (Ruthenian in the terminology of the day) Orthodox priest. She was born in the town of Rohatyn in Red Ruthenia which was then a part of the Kingdom of Poland, today’s western Ukraine. In the 1520s, she was captured by Crimean Tatars during one of their frequent raids into this region and taken as a slave, ultimately to Istanbul, and was selected for Süleyman's harem. She eventually became the Sultan’s favorite and was freed and became his legal wife. Her son, Selim, inherited the empire. Hürrem (Roxelana) may have acted as her husband’s adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign affairs and international politics. Two of her letters to the Polish King Sigismund II Augustus have been preserved. She was active in charitable works including public buildings from Mecca to Jerusalem, a mosque, two Koranic schools, a fountain, a women’s hospital, and a soup kitchen to feed the poor and needy. Hürrem, or Roxelana, as she is better known in Europe, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn’s Symphony No. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels written mainly in Ukrainian, but also in English, French and German. She is likely the original inspiration for many subsequent girls to be named Roxolana (Roksolana).

Kathlynn, did I send you the research on the Roxalana name? If you have it, try posting it. I have tried over and over and it never appears. Must have some HTTP or whatever imbedded in it that the Kornegay list serve won't pass on. I sure don't want to hand type the whole thing into a new post. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY] Elizabeth MARTIN [widow of John Fontaine] 1st wife ofCapt, Jacob Kornegay > Please be aware this is not my research, all information is submitted as > clues for more research & discernment. However, I find no reason to > doubt > that Elizabeth is the dtr. of John Martin & Roesolanah/Rocksolana > Carruthers....based on: > [a] Elizabeth and Jacob named a son Martin and a dtr. Rockalena [per > marriage record] / Rocksolany [per grave marker located on Ward Hollow > Plantation land in Smith, now Trousdale, Co, TN] m: John Ward. > Descendants in > several collateral lines in later generations can be found spelled: > Roccelaney, > Roxylanie, Roxy Lanie, Roxie Laney, etc. > [b] Rockalena/Rocksolany & John Ward had dtr. Nancy Ward [m: 1st cousin > Miller Kornegay] and they named a dtr. Roxalana Kornegay [per marriage > record > & census] > CONCLUSION: It all fits and the naming pattern is also consistent for the > time frame, "1st. daughter named after mothers mother." > > Sources: > 1. 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithe able with 200 acres on > the > western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct, NC [3-8-2010 > from > Mary Ward: _jacbrax@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jacbrax@yahoo.com) ]. > > 2. [1737] John Martin who made his will in Bath Co NC in 1737, he > named his wife, Rocksolana [sic], sons John Joseph, dau. Elizabeth and > unborn > child in his will. He left land jointly to dau. Elizabeth & his unborn > child. Jacob Kornegay & his wife Elizabeth sold their half of that land, > left to > her by the will of her father John Martin in 1737, in Beaufort County in > 1772. When Elizabeth's 1st hus, John Fontaine d. in 1758, Joseph Martin > (her > brother) & Joseph Carruthers (her cousin) were securities for her. > Elizabeth was not of Huguenot descent. Her father John Martin was the son > of Joel > Martin and Elizabeth Ward, originally of Lower Norfolk County. Her > mother, > Rocksolana's, maiden name was Carruthers [Ibid: Mary Ward] > 2a. 1737 Beaufort Precinct March Court: will of John Martin proved by > the oath of Job IVES and exhibited into court by Roesolanah Martin, > widow > & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book 5 [Ibid: Mary > Ward] > 2b. Same as above from Hyde Co., NC Index of Wills: *MARTIN, John > *1737 > * Probate: Beaufort Precinct March Court 1737. The will was proved by the > oath of Job IVES and the will was exhibited into court by Roesolanah > MARTIN, widow & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book > 5. Note: > In 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithable in Hyde Prct. with 200 acres > on the western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct. [From: > _http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm_ > (http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm) > Kathlynn comments......[a] NOTE: Spelled Rocksolana in one place and > Roesolanah in another!? CONCLUSION: NEED complete copies of the above > documents [to replace these abstracts]. I do not like to totally depend > on > abstracts thwarted with other people's discernment added into the body of > the > abstract. Plus need other documents to determine if this Martin lineage: > John > Martin [wife Roesolanah Carruthers] and his father Joel [wife Elizabeth > Ward] and Joel's father John [wife Ann Keeling] connects to my > Martin/Smalley > lineage, i.e., Lydia Martin [d.o. John Martin [immigrant] & Ester/Hester > Roberts] m: John Smalley Jr. [s.o. John Smalley [immigrant] & Ann > Walden/Wallen]......[b] Hyde Co. created 1705 from Wickham, Pres. Bath Co. > County > Seat: Swanquarter 27885. Bath Co. created 1696-discontinued in 1739 - > Beaufort created 1705 from Bath [formerly Archdale - County Seat > Washington 27889? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please be aware this is not my research, all information is submitted as clues for more research & discernment. However, I find no reason to doubt that Elizabeth is the dtr. of John Martin & Roesolanah/Rocksolana Carruthers....based on: [a] Elizabeth and Jacob named a son Martin and a dtr. Rockalena [per marriage record] / Rocksolany [per grave marker located on Ward Hollow Plantation land in Smith, now Trousdale, Co, TN] m: John Ward. Descendants in several collateral lines in later generations can be found spelled: Roccelaney, Roxylanie, Roxy Lanie, Roxie Laney, etc. [b] Rockalena/Rocksolany & John Ward had dtr. Nancy Ward [m: 1st cousin Miller Kornegay] and they named a dtr. Roxalana Kornegay [per marriage record & census] CONCLUSION: It all fits and the naming pattern is also consistent for the time frame, "1st. daughter named after mothers mother." Sources: 1. 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithe able with 200 acres on the western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct, NC [3-8-2010 from Mary Ward: _jacbrax@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jacbrax@yahoo.com) ]. 2. [1737] John Martin who made his will in Bath Co NC in 1737, he named his wife, Rocksolana [sic], sons John Joseph, dau. Elizabeth and unborn child in his will. He left land jointly to dau. Elizabeth & his unborn child. Jacob Kornegay & his wife Elizabeth sold their half of that land, left to her by the will of her father John Martin in 1737, in Beaufort County in 1772. When Elizabeth's 1st hus, John Fontaine d. in 1758, Joseph Martin (her brother) & Joseph Carruthers (her cousin) were securities for her. Elizabeth was not of Huguenot descent. Her father John Martin was the son of Joel Martin and Elizabeth Ward, originally of Lower Norfolk County. Her mother, Rocksolana's, maiden name was Carruthers [Ibid: Mary Ward] 2a. 1737 Beaufort Precinct March Court: will of John Martin proved by the oath of Job IVES and exhibited into court by Roesolanah Martin, widow & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book 5 [Ibid: Mary Ward] 2b. Same as above from Hyde Co., NC Index of Wills: *MARTIN, John *1737 * Probate: Beaufort Precinct March Court 1737. The will was proved by the oath of Job IVES and the will was exhibited into court by Roesolanah MARTIN, widow & relict of the testator. Source: Craven County Deed Book 5. Note: In 1717 John MARTIN was listed as a tithable in Hyde Prct. with 200 acres on the western shore of the Matchapungo River in Hyde Precinct. [From: _http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm_ (http://www.ncgenweb.us/hyde/willsestates/indexwills_mnopqr.htm) Kathlynn comments......[a] NOTE: Spelled Rocksolana in one place and Roesolanah in another!? CONCLUSION: NEED complete copies of the above documents [to replace these abstracts]. I do not like to totally depend on abstracts thwarted with other people's discernment added into the body of the abstract. Plus need other documents to determine if this Martin lineage: John Martin [wife Roesolanah Carruthers] and his father Joel [wife Elizabeth Ward] and Joel's father John [wife Ann Keeling] connects to my Martin/Smalley lineage, i.e., Lydia Martin [d.o. John Martin [immigrant] & Ester/Hester Roberts] m: John Smalley Jr. [s.o. John Smalley [immigrant] & Ann Walden/Wallen]......[b] Hyde Co. created 1705 from Wickham, Pres. Bath Co. County Seat: Swanquarter 27885. Bath Co. created 1696-discontinued in 1739 - Beaufort created 1705 from Bath [formerly Archdale - County Seat Washington 27889?

Sorry I've missed all this, I have been working and not paying attention. I am sending this to see what happens. Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Matt Ward <mward39@bellsouth.net> To: kornegay@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Sep 4, 2010 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] Testing While you were contacting AOL, I was contacting AT&T, my service provider. e came to the conclusion, after doing some tests, that the problem is (as OL told you) with the rootsweb server. Even though we have verified that ll of us seem to be getting each other's email sent via ornegay@rootsweb.com , my concern is that others may not be receiving the ommunications. Even if everyone that was subscribed to the Kornegay-L was eceiving the mailings, ...after reading the Mailer-Daemon that delivery was permanent failure and it has given up trying...will assume that the ornegay listserve is defunct and will quit using it. I don't want them to iss out on our exciting finds, nor do I want to miss out on theirs. I will ry to contact the rootsweb manager and describe the problem. Matt ----- Original Message ----- rom: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> o: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> ent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 9:43 AM ubject: Re: [KORNEGAY] Testing I just called AOL and was told _kornegay@rootsweb_ (mailto:kornegay@rootsweb) no longer exist on aol. I did inform them that you, Matt, was having same problem and your server is Bell South/A.T&T. Was told in that case it appears the problem has something to do with rootsweb....maybe changed address and did not notify. She could not tell me why the "testing" msg's were being delivered, but not the emails containing genealogy info. and that it is rootsweb that has the genealogy data that was sent ORIGINAL [NOT AOL]. Was told to contact rootsweb and I don't know how to do that [and I have to go to work and don't have the time to try]. Can someone else who knows more about this try to contact rootsweb? I would still like to have my data back and know who is responsible for keeping it. Or does anyone know who our current list manager is, or if we have one? The list manager should be able to get to the bottom of this problem....right? ~Kathlynn~ In a message dated 9/4/2010 9:13:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, glitzyalien@sbcglobal.net writes: I just got this email and I am still here. Glitz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Justice" <ajusbjus@comcast.net> To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] Testing > coming in loud and clear. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Ward <mward39@bellsouth.net> > To: kornegay@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:36:26 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] Testing > > I just tried the first address and got the same message "permanent > failure"......But, I also got the email I tried to send via that address > just as I would when it was working properly. I also got a copy of the > one > I replied to you saying I was trying to find out myself. Mine requested > that other Kornegay listserve subscribers respond to me to let me know > this > was getting through to them. Let's wait and see if anyone other than you, > Andy, and I are still subscribing and getting our emails. > > Matt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:02 AM > Subject: [KORNEGAY] Testing > > >> I've had email returned twice....addressed 1st to _kornegay@rootsweb.com_ >> (mailto:kornegay@rootsweb.com) 2nd to _Kornegay-list@rootsweb.com_ >> (mailto:Kornegay-list@rootsweb.com) ....What is the correct way to >> address to >> assure delivery? >> >> Kathlynn >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello...I am a descendent of the Kornegay line per my maternal grandfather, Monroe Butler, 1880-1977, son of Harriet Kornegay, dau of Lewis W. Kornegay, son of Isaac, son of William, son of George, son of John George. I am the daughter of Monroe's daughter, Agnes Thelma Butler Thompson. The Butler-Maggards will be having a reunion this weekend and I will sharing the Kornegay story with them. Judy Thompson Parkey Madill, Oklahoma

9/6/2010 _PattyCA103@AOL.COM_ (mailto:PattyCA103@AOL.COM) writes: Kathlynn, Thank you for sharing this information with us. I never really did research on Margaret wife of George II since she is not in my linage. But I was interested in Elizabeth (MARTIN) Fontaine the 1st wife of my ancestor Jacob KORNEGAY. As you know I descend from his second wife Mary WARD. KATHLYNN WRITES: Yep Patty, I do know that. Patty continues: It is interesting to note that Elizabeth's idenity was hidden for so long. One thing that has always bothered me is what this deed may have meant. The Register of Deeds, Craven Co, NC Book 19,p. 446, shows that on August 12, 1772, Joseph TROW of Craven Co, in a marriage settlement with Elizabeth FONTAINE of Onslow Co, quit claimed all her property; and bound himself to pay Goredias RICKETSON, Trustee fro Elizabeth FONTAINE, the sum of four hundred pounds, proclamation money, for any breach of contract." I don't know if this marriage ever took place or could this have been a divorce? KATHLYNN WRITES: Patty, I have also been, and continue to be, unsure on exactly what it means. Wish someone with more smarts would enlighten us. FWIW: from a book published by Winston F. Fontaine in 1987 titled, A Fontaine Family - From Riches to Rags To Respectability.....On pg 71 after the Joseph Trow \ Elizabeth Fountaine above said document [stated exactly same as what you have], Winston writes: "Evidently this marriage did not take place as Elizabeth is shown to be the wife of Jacob Kornegy [sic] of Duplin Co., NC in an indenture dated April 7, 1774, when they sell Lot 306 to William Good for one-hundred pounds. This transaction is recorded in Craven Co., Deed Book 21, Page 133." Patty continues: I have also read that Elizabeth was said to be of Hugenout descent and I see where some times in that area MARTIN is spelled MARTAIN. KATHLYNN WRITES: Are you saying that you know for sure that the Martain surname is of Huguenot descent? From Winston Fontaine's book pg. 70 and 71: "John Fontaine [1726-1759] was born in 1726 in VA and died in New Bern, NC in 1759. He was bound to a carpenter as an apprentice in 1746. In Nov. 1750 he went to New Bern with his brother, Francis, where they both were House Joiners. John received title to lot 306, one-half acre, in the town of New Bern, on Feb. 26, 1753, on which he built a house. He bought the adjacent Lot 305 from Francis on May 12, 1753 and built a Joiners shop. He was married in 1754 to a girl of good fortune and reputation, whose first name was Elizabeth [last name not known]. On Oct. 10, 1754, John was listed as a "Gentleman Soldier" in Capt. New's Co., Militia, with the rank of Corporal. John left no children when he died. His widow, Elizabeth, was named administratrix of his estate. On Nov. 14, 1759, the court ordered the Sheriff to sell Lot 306, with appurtenances, to the highest bidder, at a public sale, to satisfy a judgment. Elizabeth was the highest bidder and gained title to the property. Lot 305 reverted to Francis. And on pg 73 extract tidbit from a letter that Peter wrote to Moses on April 17, 1754: Francis Fontaine, my brother's oldest boy, lives in New Berne in North Carolina and has three children, two boys and a girl. He and his brother, John, have all the business of the town, they both of them being good joiners and carpenters. John is lately married to a girl of good fortune and reputation, a thing somewhat scarce in these parts, as they have no established laws and very little of the Gospel in that whole colony. Note: It does not say anywhere in Winstons book that Elizabeth was a Huguenot. Her good fortune and reputation was probably based on the land she inherited from her father, John Martin. My best guess: somewhere at some time, someone assumed she was a Huguenot because the Fontaines were....whatayathink? ~Kathlynn~

Thanks for the reply. I agree needs more research. Glitz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathlynn3@aol.com> To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: [KORNEGAY] Margaret Downing Lullum > Hi Glitz, in reply to your 9/5/2010 post.....First to address a couple of > issues from Patty's 9-5-2010 post: > 1. John Baxton Flowers III writes: "I am a direct descendant of old > George KORNEGAY by his son George II and Margaret Downing, daughter of > Baron > George DOWNING of London." > Kathlynn SIMPSON Arledge-Johnson comments: Several years ago with > the help of Jill [aka Penny] in London NO proof was found that any of > [the > many] George Downings had a dtr. Margaret, except one and she was born > far > too earlier to be our Margaret. Based on the fact the Lullum name was > carried forth as a given name in subsequent generations, and the DOWNING > name > was NOT [or at least I have never seen any documented proof of a Downing > as a given name for any of their Kornegay descendant] ......begs to > question > if her maiden name was Lullum [instead of "widow of Lullum" ???? > 2. Flowers continues: "I remember an Anne Sevil KORNEGAY being a > daughter of Daniel KORNEGAY and his wife Edna FLOWERS of "ParksPlace in > Duplin > Co. > Kathlynn comments: FWIW......[a] I have Anne Sevil as dtr. of > Capt. Jacob & his first wife Elizabeth Martin [widow of John > Fontaine]....PER > his LWT ABSTRACT?!? [which it seems discernment was added by/intermingled > into the body of the document by the abstractor?!?!?!....I hate when that > happens] and other documents: Capt. Jacob names "William Duncan, > son-in-law." > And per other documents William Duncan m: Anne Sevil Kornegay......[b] I > do NOT have any document [not to say there isn't one] showing Daniel > [wife > Edna Flowers] with a dtr. Anne Sevil......[c] Flowers info. abt. Martins > [and Wards] is very interesting to me. I have a Martin/Smalley > connection > also and I am eager to see if they somehow/somewhere connect: John > Martin, > Sr. [1618 - 1687] m: Easter/Hester Roberts [1626 - 1687] m: Abt. 1646 in > Dover's Point, NH....they had 8 children. Their dtr. Lydia/Liddia Martin > [1654 - 1733] m: John Smalley, Jr. [1644 - 1731] m: Oct. 18, 1676 in > Piscataway, Middlesex Co., NJ....his parents are John Smalley & Ann > Walden/Wallen > Immigrants to Plymouth Colony. > ************************* > Kathlynn comments: Following is a Re-Cap [latest discernment] of my > correspondence with Jill [aka Penny] Thorn of London...I have pages & > pages of > all her emails, plus other descendant/researchers information in my > "Working > File" that I can send if you want them. It wasn't an easy task and I > hope > I have done a satisfactory/understandable job of extracting tidbits from > all I have: > > Re: Margaret ______ [wife of George Kornegay II], born bet. > 1730-1734.....: > Contrary to published articles of earlier researchers undocumented claims > her maiden name is Downing [widow of Lullum].....however......[a] She is > not the daughter of Sir George Downing l, Baronet, the godfather of # 10 > Downing Street, he died July 1684......[b] She is not the daughter of Sir > George, ll [s.o. Sir George 1], he was b. in 1656 and died 1711......[c] > She is > not the daughter of Sir George Downing lll, Baronet [s.o. Sir George ll]. > He and his first wife Mary Forester [a cousin] never cohabited, thence > she > can not be their daughter......Neither is she his "only one natural > daughter" [all of the above is from Biographical Sketches of Graduates of > Harvard > University in Cambridge Massachusetts - by John Langdon Sibley, M.A. - > Vol > 1 1642-1648], The "one natural daughter" was Elizabeth his illegitimate > child by his housekeeper, Mary Townsend [from The History of Downing > College > Cambridge, England - by Stanley French published in 1978.... see Jill > Thorn's 5/16/2005 & 5/21/2005 message. Thence, she cannot be > granddaughter of > Emmanuel Downing/Lucy Winthrop, i.e. not through their descendants Sir > George > l, ll, or lll, therefore, she has no direct connection to # 10 Downing > St......[d] However, could Margaret have descended from another child of > Emmanuel & Lucy: John? [see recent Aug/Sept 2010 post in Downing Archives > abt. > a John] Dorcus? Theophilus? [listed as children of Emmanuel's on The > Adventurers of the MA Bay Company 1628-1630 > > _http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm_ > (http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm) > ]. OR their son Joshua, not listed on Adventures of MA Bay Colony, but he > is > mentioned in Lucy Downing's letter....see Jill Thorns 1/20/2006 > message]......[e] OR could she have descended from William, or Charles, > sons of Sir > George l and Elizabeth Howard?......[f] OR could she have descended from > John Payne/Paine b: abt 1695, illegitimate son of George ll and Priscilla > Payne/Paine......[g] OR Could she have descended from James Downing [s.o. > Emmanuel and his first wife Ann Ware]?......[h] CONCLUSION: Needs more > research > before a definite determination can be made that our Margaret's maiden > name was, or was not, Downing, and thereby conclude if this earlier claim > was > generated erroneously from the 1930's scam [which at this point I am > inclined to agree with Richard]. /20/2004 Richard Hite writes: Kathlynn, > I have > always had doubts about the validity of the idea that she was a Downing > and > even if she was, I wonder about the connection to the Downings of Downing > Street. There was someone in the 1930s who went around to Kornegay > descendants, letting them know that they might have some claim on Downing > property > and some of them evidently paid to have that investigated further, but > nothing ever came of it. My understanding is that this type of occurrence > was > a popular scam in the 1930s - tracking down family groups, letting them > think they stood to inherit a fortune, collecting money from them and then > taking off. Whether that's the origin of this Downing story or not, I > don't > know. > > ~Kathlynn~ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathlynn, Thank you for sharing this information with us. I never really did research on Margaret wife of George II since she is not in my linage. But I was interested in Elizabeth (MARTIN) Fontaine the 1st wife of my ancestor Jacob KORNEGAY. As you know I descend from his second wife Mary WARD. It is interesting to note that Elizabeth's idenity was hidden for so long. One thing that has always bothered me is what this deed may have meant. The Register of Deeds, Craven Co, NC Book 19,p. 446, shows that on August 12, 1772, Joseph TROW of Craven Co, in a marriage settlement with Elizabeth FONTAINE of Onslow Co, quit claimed all her property; and bound himself to pay Goredias RICKETSON, Trustee fro Elizabeth FONTAINE, the sum of four hundred pounds, proclamation money, for any breach of contract." I don't know if this marriage ever took place or could this have been a divorce? I have also read that Elizabeth was said to be of Hugenout descent and I see where some times in that area MARTIN is spelled MARTAIN. Pat In a message dated 9/6/2010 12:50:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kathlynn3@aol.com writes: Hi Glitz, in reply to your 9/5/2010 post.....First to address a couple of issues from Patty's 9-5-2010 post: 1. John Baxton Flowers III writes: "I am a direct descendant of old George KORNEGAY by his son George II and Margaret Downing, daughter of Baron George DOWNING of London." Kathlynn SIMPSON Arledge-Johnson comments: Several years ago with the help of Jill [aka Penny] in London NO proof was found that any of [the many] George Downings had a dtr. Margaret, except one and she was born far too earlier to be our Margaret. Based on the fact the Lullum name was carried forth as a given name in subsequent generations, and the DOWNING name was NOT [or at least I have never seen any documented proof of a Downing as a given name for any of their Kornegay descendant] ......begs to question if her maiden name was Lullum [instead of "widow of Lullum" ???? 2. Flowers continues: "I remember an Anne Sevil KORNEGAY being a daughter of Daniel KORNEGAY and his wife Edna FLOWERS of "ParksPlace in Duplin Co. Kathlynn comments: FWIW......[a] I have Anne Sevil as dtr. of Capt. Jacob & his first wife Elizabeth Martin [widow of John Fontaine]....PER his LWT ABSTRACT?!? [which it seems discernment was added by/intermingled into the body of the document by the abstractor?!?!?!....I hate when that happens] and other documents: Capt. Jacob names "William Duncan, son-in-law." And per other documents William Duncan m: Anne Sevil Kornegay......[b] I do NOT have any document [not to say there isn't one] showing Daniel [wife Edna Flowers] with a dtr. Anne Sevil......[c] Flowers info. abt. Martins [and Wards] is very interesting to me. I have a Martin/Smalley connection also and I am eager to see if they somehow/somewhere connect: John Martin, Sr. [1618 - 1687] m: Easter/Hester Roberts [1626 - 1687] m: Abt. 1646 in Dover's Point, NH....they had 8 children. Their dtr. Lydia/Liddia Martin [1654 - 1733] m: John Smalley, Jr. [1644 - 1731] m: Oct. 18, 1676 in Piscataway, Middlesex Co., NJ....his parents are John Smalley & Ann Walden/Wallen Immigrants to Plymouth Colony. ************************* Kathlynn comments: Following is a Re-Cap [latest discernment] of my correspondence with Jill [aka Penny] Thorn of London...I have pages & pages of all her emails, plus other descendant/researchers information in my "Working File" that I can send if you want them. It wasn't an easy task and I hope I have done a satisfactory/understandable job of extracting tidbits from all I have: Re: Margaret ______ [wife of George Kornegay II], born bet. 1730-1734.....: Contrary to published articles of earlier researchers undocumented claims her maiden name is Downing [widow of Lullum].....however......[a] She is not the daughter of Sir George Downing l, Baronet, the godfather of # 10 Downing Street, he died July 1684......[b] She is not the daughter of Sir George, ll [s.o. Sir George 1], he was b. in 1656 and died 1711......[c] She is not the daughter of Sir George Downing lll, Baronet [s.o. Sir George ll]. He and his first wife Mary Forester [a cousin] never cohabited, thence she can not be their daughter......Neither is she his "only one natural daughter" [all of the above is from Biographical Sketches of Graduates of Harvard University in Cambridge Massachusetts - by John Langdon Sibley, M.A. - Vol 1 1642-1648], The "one natural daughter" was Elizabeth his illegitimate child by his housekeeper, Mary Townsend [from The History of Downing College Cambridge, England - by Stanley French published in 1978.... see Jill Thorn's 5/16/2005 & 5/21/2005 message. Thence, she cannot be granddaughter of Emmanuel Downing/Lucy Winthrop, i.e. not through their descendants Sir George l, ll, or lll, therefore, she has no direct connection to # 10 Downing St......[d] However, could Margaret have descended from another child of Emmanuel & Lucy: John? [see recent Aug/Sept 2010 post in Downing Archives abt. a John] Dorcus? Theophilus? [listed as children of Emmanuel's on The Adventurers of the MA Bay Company 1628-1630 > _http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm_ (http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm) ]. OR their son Joshua, not listed on Adventures of MA Bay Colony, but he is mentioned in Lucy Downing's letter....see Jill Thorns 1/20/2006 message]......[e] OR could she have descended from William, or Charles, sons of Sir George l and Elizabeth Howard?......[f] OR could she have descended from John Payne/Paine b: abt 1695, illegitimate son of George ll and Priscilla Payne/Paine......[g] OR Could she have descended from James Downing [s.o. Emmanuel and his first wife Ann Ware]?......[h] CONCLUSION: Needs more research before a definite determination can be made that our Margaret's maiden name was, or was not, Downing, and thereby conclude if this earlier claim was generated erroneously from the 1930's scam [which at this point I am inclined to agree with Richard]. /20/2004 Richard Hite writes: Kathlynn, I have always had doubts about the validity of the idea that she was a Downing and even if she was, I wonder about the connection to the Downings of Downing Street. There was someone in the 1930s who went around to Kornegay descendants, letting them know that they might have some claim on Downing property and some of them evidently paid to have that investigated further, but nothing ever came of it. My understanding is that this type of occurrence was a popular scam in the 1930s - tracking down family groups, letting them think they stood to inherit a fortune, collecting money from them and then taking off. Whether that's the origin of this Downing story or not, I don't know. ~Kathlynn~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glitz, in reply to your 9/5/2010 post.....First to address a couple of issues from Patty's 9-5-2010 post: 1. John Baxton Flowers III writes: "I am a direct descendant of old George KORNEGAY by his son George II and Margaret Downing, daughter of Baron George DOWNING of London." Kathlynn SIMPSON Arledge-Johnson comments: Several years ago with the help of Jill [aka Penny] in London NO proof was found that any of [the many] George Downings had a dtr. Margaret, except one and she was born far too earlier to be our Margaret. Based on the fact the Lullum name was carried forth as a given name in subsequent generations, and the DOWNING name was NOT [or at least I have never seen any documented proof of a Downing as a given name for any of their Kornegay descendant] ......begs to question if her maiden name was Lullum [instead of "widow of Lullum" ???? 2. Flowers continues: "I remember an Anne Sevil KORNEGAY being a daughter of Daniel KORNEGAY and his wife Edna FLOWERS of "ParksPlace in Duplin Co. Kathlynn comments: FWIW......[a] I have Anne Sevil as dtr. of Capt. Jacob & his first wife Elizabeth Martin [widow of John Fontaine]....PER his LWT ABSTRACT?!? [which it seems discernment was added by/intermingled into the body of the document by the abstractor?!?!?!....I hate when that happens] and other documents: Capt. Jacob names "William Duncan, son-in-law." And per other documents William Duncan m: Anne Sevil Kornegay......[b] I do NOT have any document [not to say there isn't one] showing Daniel [wife Edna Flowers] with a dtr. Anne Sevil......[c] Flowers info. abt. Martins [and Wards] is very interesting to me. I have a Martin/Smalley connection also and I am eager to see if they somehow/somewhere connect: John Martin, Sr. [1618 - 1687] m: Easter/Hester Roberts [1626 - 1687] m: Abt. 1646 in Dover's Point, NH....they had 8 children. Their dtr. Lydia/Liddia Martin [1654 - 1733] m: John Smalley, Jr. [1644 - 1731] m: Oct. 18, 1676 in Piscataway, Middlesex Co., NJ....his parents are John Smalley & Ann Walden/Wallen Immigrants to Plymouth Colony. ************************* Kathlynn comments: Following is a Re-Cap [latest discernment] of my correspondence with Jill [aka Penny] Thorn of London...I have pages & pages of all her emails, plus other descendant/researchers information in my "Working File" that I can send if you want them. It wasn't an easy task and I hope I have done a satisfactory/understandable job of extracting tidbits from all I have: Re: Margaret ______ [wife of George Kornegay II], born bet. 1730-1734.....: Contrary to published articles of earlier researchers undocumented claims her maiden name is Downing [widow of Lullum].....however......[a] She is not the daughter of Sir George Downing l, Baronet, the godfather of # 10 Downing Street, he died July 1684......[b] She is not the daughter of Sir George, ll [s.o. Sir George 1], he was b. in 1656 and died 1711......[c] She is not the daughter of Sir George Downing lll, Baronet [s.o. Sir George ll]. He and his first wife Mary Forester [a cousin] never cohabited, thence she can not be their daughter......Neither is she his "only one natural daughter" [all of the above is from Biographical Sketches of Graduates of Harvard University in Cambridge Massachusetts - by John Langdon Sibley, M.A. - Vol 1 1642-1648], The "one natural daughter" was Elizabeth his illegitimate child by his housekeeper, Mary Townsend [from The History of Downing College Cambridge, England - by Stanley French published in 1978.... see Jill Thorn's 5/16/2005 & 5/21/2005 message. Thence, she cannot be granddaughter of Emmanuel Downing/Lucy Winthrop, i.e. not through their descendants Sir George l, ll, or lll, therefore, she has no direct connection to # 10 Downing St......[d] However, could Margaret have descended from another child of Emmanuel & Lucy: John? [see recent Aug/Sept 2010 post in Downing Archives abt. a John] Dorcus? Theophilus? [listed as children of Emmanuel's on The Adventurers of the MA Bay Company 1628-1630 > _http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm_ (http://www.winthropsociety.org/settlers/founders.htm) ]. OR their son Joshua, not listed on Adventures of MA Bay Colony, but he is mentioned in Lucy Downing's letter....see Jill Thorns 1/20/2006 message]......[e] OR could she have descended from William, or Charles, sons of Sir George l and Elizabeth Howard?......[f] OR could she have descended from John Payne/Paine b: abt 1695, illegitimate son of George ll and Priscilla Payne/Paine......[g] OR Could she have descended from James Downing [s.o. Emmanuel and his first wife Ann Ware]?......[h] CONCLUSION: Needs more research before a definite determination can be made that our Margaret's maiden name was, or was not, Downing, and thereby conclude if this earlier claim was generated erroneously from the 1930's scam [which at this point I am inclined to agree with Richard]. /20/2004 Richard Hite writes: Kathlynn, I have always had doubts about the validity of the idea that she was a Downing and even if she was, I wonder about the connection to the Downings of Downing Street. There was someone in the 1930s who went around to Kornegay descendants, letting them know that they might have some claim on Downing property and some of them evidently paid to have that investigated further, but nothing ever came of it. My understanding is that this type of occurrence was a popular scam in the 1930s - tracking down family groups, letting them think they stood to inherit a fortune, collecting money from them and then taking off. Whether that's the origin of this Downing story or not, I don't know. ~Kathlynn~

Thanks for the info it is greatly appreciated. I am so happy for Kathlynn and Matt for their find. I do not decsend thru the Martin line though. I decend thru George II and his brother William. They had children who married each other (George III and Elizabeth). Glitz ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pattyca103@aol.com> To: <kornegay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [KORNEGAY] Margaret Downing Lullum > Glitz, Kathlynn and Matt you may find this MARTIN info interesting. > > I have never seen documented proof of the linage of Margaret Lullum > DOWNING. In 1962 I corresponded with a John Baxton Flowers III who was at > that > time a Law student and very proud of his ancestry. He wrote very > interesting > letters and said "I am a direct descendant of old George KORNEGAY by his > son > George II and Margaret Downing, daughter of Baron George DOWNING of > London. I remember an Anne Sevil KORNEGAY being a daughter of Daniel > KORNEGAY and > his wife Edna FLOWERS of "ParksPlace in Duplin Co. Edna has descendants, > her brother Samuel was my ancestor. Samuel married Sally MARTIN, dau. of > Richard MARTIN and Francis AARON of "High MARTIN " plantation. He fought > in > the Revolution." > > He also said that his Great Grandfather was Hon. Robert Bryan FLOWERS who > married Brunetta Anne WARD born around 1853 Florence Co SC on "High WARD > Plantation". a post war debutant of 15 from SC. Her father Jasper White > WARD > was from an old Charleston Family members of the ST Cecelia Club. She was > in college. He was 45 yrs old. He said she may be related to our WARDS but > if so it was distant. > > In another place he refers to Margaret DOWNING KORNEGAY as Lady Margaret. > I > don't know if his information was documented or just family tradition. > > Pat Hoffman > > > In a message dated 9/5/2010 8:22:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > glitzyalien@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Hi guys I was going thru some old emails and came across this one. I was > wondering if it was ever proved if Sir George Downing was indeed Margarets > father? If so has anyone taken this line further than Margaret? Any > help > appreciated to put me on the right track. Glitz > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glitz, Kathlynn and Matt you may find this MARTIN info interesting. I have never seen documented proof of the linage of Margaret Lullum DOWNING. In 1962 I corresponded with a John Baxton Flowers III who was at that time a Law student and very proud of his ancestry. He wrote very interesting letters and said "I am a direct descendant of old George KORNEGAY by his son George II and Margaret Downing, daughter of Baron George DOWNING of London. I remember an Anne Sevil KORNEGAY being a daughter of Daniel KORNEGAY and his wife Edna FLOWERS of "ParksPlace in Duplin Co. Edna has descendants, her brother Samuel was my ancestor. Samuel married Sally MARTIN, dau. of Richard MARTIN and Francis AARON of "High MARTIN " plantation. He fought in the Revolution." He also said that his Great Grandfather was Hon. Robert Bryan FLOWERS who married Brunetta Anne WARD born around 1853 Florence Co SC on "High WARD Plantation". a post war debutant of 15 from SC. Her father Jasper White WARD was from an old Charleston Family members of the ST Cecelia Club. She was in college. He was 45 yrs old. He said she may be related to our WARDS but if so it was distant. In another place he refers to Margaret DOWNING KORNEGAY as Lady Margaret. I don't know if his information was documented or just family tradition. Pat Hoffman In a message dated 9/5/2010 8:22:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, glitzyalien@sbcglobal.net writes: Hi guys I was going thru some old emails and came across this one. I was wondering if it was ever proved if Sir George Downing was indeed Margarets father? If so has anyone taken this line further than Margaret? Any help appreciated to put me on the right track. Glitz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KORNEGAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any info on Mary Fisher who married George Kornegay in 1726? Thanks for any help. Glitz