In a message dated 8/3/98 12:10:08 AM Central Daylight Time, SUEMEINHRT@AOL.com writes: << Wanted to mention that I have bought the new CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1538-1940" from Gale Research, Inc., put out by FTM. I did type in the name Hornigh and sure enough, 5 different screens came up for John George Hornigh showing sources for the passenger lists & that he was 38 yrs of age and with a wife, 2 sons & 2 daughters. >> You may be on to something, but don't assume this is our ancestor yet. Did the information include exactly what ship he was on? Was there a date or port from which he embarked or disembarked? One other check: So far, it has appeared that the name "Kornegay" occurs nowhere other than as descendants from George Kornegay b. 1701. This suggests that the name was not in existence until someone corrupted the original spelling to "Kornegay". Even the few found in Germany (and now, Mexico) are apparently descendants of George who have migrated to those countries or are temporarily there as a U.S. GI. So, I propose this test: see if any other Hornighs can be found in a current telephone index of the U.S. If we find nothing, it will support (although not prove) that the name was lost due to the corruption into Kornegay. If we find several "Hornigh" names in the U.S., it will suggest (although not prove) that the John George Hornigh was probably a different person that survived to create his own line of descendants bearing his surname. I am also curious as to whether the name "Hornigh" can be found in any European telephone CDs to help indicate that it is an old surname of some region of Europe. Matt

Hi all, Okay, I finished getting the 6 different notations on this CD for John George Hornigh. Each one is separated by the *** marks. I will paste it from my note section on J.G.H. here for all of you to have for your info. There were some that I was not aware off. Maybe it will be advantageous for everyone to look at these sources in actuality at one time or another. Here is the paste: > > [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.1] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: England Year: 1709 Age: 38 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Family Members: Wife; Daughter 10; Son 8; Daughter 12; Son 2 Source Code: 4772 Source Name: "LISTS OF GERMANS FROM THE PALATINATE Who Came to England in 1709." In The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record. Vol. 40:1 (Jan. 1909), pp. 49-54; vol. 40:2 (Apr. 1909), pp. 93-100; vol. 40:3 (July 1909), pp. 160-167; vol. 40:4 (Oct. 1909), pp. 241-248. Source Annotation: Four Board of Trade lists of the first 6,520 Palatines to arrive in 1709, compiled in England by John Tribekko and George Ruperti, German clergymen (see no. 9214). Many came to America soon after arrival in London. There is much information on the immigrants. The first of these lists is printed in no. 3983, Knittle. Complete lists are in no. 9135, Tepper, Immigrants to the Middle Colonies, pp. 84-123. Abridged lists are in no. 5013, MacWethy. Source Page #: 49 *************************************************************** [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.2] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: England Year: 1709 Age: 38 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Family Members: Wife; Son 8; Son 2; Daughter 12; Daughter 10 Source Code: 9214 Source Name: TRIBBEKO, JOHN, and GEORGE RUPERTI. Lists of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1965. 44p. Source Annotation: Date and port of arrival. Extracted from Board of Trade Miscellaneous, Volume 2, at the British Museum Library, London, England. Occupation and religion are also provided. Also appears in an article of the same title published in The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record,vols. 40 and 41, 1909-1910 (indexed as source nos. 4772 and 4773 in PILI 1985). Also in Tepper, Immigrants to the Middle Colonies ... , (indexed as source no. 9135 in PILI, first edition). Source Page #: 5 ***************************************************************** [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.3] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: England or America Year: 1709 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Family Members: Wife & 2 sons & 2 daughters Source Code: 3983 Source Name: KNITTLE, WALTER ALLEN. "The Board of Trade List of First Party of Palatines in London, May 3, 1709." In Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration. Philadelphia: Dorrance & Co., 1937, pp. 244-247. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., 1965. Repr. 1982. Source Annotation: Many of the Palatines came to America shortly after 1709. For the first of four lists of Palatines compiled up to June 11, 1709, by the Rev. John Tribbeko and the Rev. George A. Ruperti, see item no. 9214. A complete list of 12,000 names is in nos. 4772-4773 and 5013. Source Page #: 246 ***************************************************************** [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.4] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: Port uncertain Year: 1709-1710 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Source Code: 926.8 Source Name: BREITBARD, GAIL. "Heads of Households of the 1709/10 Palatines Who Went from Germany thru the Port of Rotterdam to London." In The Lost Palatine, no. 10 (1983), pp. 7-10. Source Annotation: Date of emigration. Final port was uncertain although many of those going to London may have continued on to the Mohawk Valley in New York. Many names also in Walter Allen Knittle's Early Eighteenth Century Palatine Emigration, portions of which were indexed in PILI 1982, 1983, and 1985 as nos. 3983, 3990, 3997, 4003, and 4010. Source Page #: 8 ***************************************************************** [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.5] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: England or America Year: 1709 Age: 38 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Family Members: Wife; Son 8; Son 2; Daughter 10; Daughter 12 Source Code: 9135 Source Name: TEPPER, MICHAEL, editor. Immigrants to the Middle Colonies: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from "The New York Genealogical Biographical Record." Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978. 178p. Repr. 1979. Source Annotation: Contains 15 articles taken from The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, 1879-1970. About 5,500 names. Similar lists in Boyer, nos. 0702, 0714, 0717, and 0720. Source Page #: 84 ****************************************************************** [Broderbund Family Archive #354, Ed. 1, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, Date of Import: 2 Aug 1998, Internal Ref. #1.354.1.45256.6] Individual: John George Hornigh Place: London, Eng. Year: 1709 Age: 38 Primary Individual: Hornigh, John George Family Members: Son 8; Daughter 12; Daughter 10; Son 2 Source Code: 5013 Source Name: MacWETHY, LOU D. "List of Palatines in 1709." In The Book of Names. St. Johnsville [NY]: The Enterprise and News, 1933, pp. 75-111. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1985. Source Annotation: Four London lists of Palatines from Germany, 1709, copied from a manuscript in the British Museum, London. See also nos. 4772-4773, "Lists of Germans..."; no. 3990, Knittle; and no. 9214, Tribekko and Ruperti. Source Page #: 77 > > That's all there is folks. If any of you have any of these sources or access to them, please post any of the passenger lists if they are available. I will be able check after the 15th of Aug at the FHC to see if anything is available in the book section there. They are closed for vacation for 2 weeks. Til later. Sue in CA

Sue - I think I can help you do a screen capture of that information, but you'd have to save it as a graphic instead of text. I could then post then on our family history site for all to peruse. I'd have to send you the executable file (it's very small)for you to install on your computer and we could talk via the phone to do the install. Let me know if you're interested. Is FTM a Windows program? Jerry ******************************************* Jerry Quinn 12 El Paso Court Hampton, VA 23669 USA (757) 851-0027

Sue, This sounds great, can't wait to see it. Any mention of the name of the ship he was on? Sheila

Hi all, Wanted to mention that I have bought the new CD "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1538-1940" from Gale Research, Inc., put out by FTM. I did type in the name Hornigh and sure enough, 5 different screens came up for John George Hornigh showing sources for the passenger lists & that he was 38 yrs of age and with a wife, 2 sons & 2 daughters. I was going to try to do a copy of each screen but it won't let me do that, I can only merge the info onto a family page of John George Hornigh. Because I already have so much in the note section, do not want to corrupt it. I have decided to create a ficticious John G. Hornigh separately away from the others and do a merge into that page and hope that it will do each one without wiping out the other previously merged in. Once I have done this, I will then write back to the Kornegay mail-list and do a copy & paste in the e-mail so you all will be able to see what each screen said and what what sourced. I'll get back to you by tomorrow evening with this. Til later. Sue in CA

Hi about the name. i have found in my 20 plus years of research that -usually- the name was written -by the few that could write - just the way that it sounded to the listener and another factor -- how plain the speaker could the people speak . as you know many of the earlier settlers married cousins - do we know how many generations had intermarried. and you don't have to be in the medical profession to know what it can do to the off springs. and speech and hearing are oftened affected. just as today - depends what area of social life you are in for the name to be pronounced kor ne gay or car ni ga. i've seen it happen in some of the same family; parents one way, children another. nothing official JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT RUTH At 12:24 PM 8/2/1998 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/29/98 11:21:14 PM, you wrote: > ><<I have read several sources for the origin of the name Kornegay. The choice >of my use of Hans Jurg Gnagi given to me by Matt Ward was simply that the >pronunciation most closely resembled the current pronunciation of Kornegay.>> > >Let me go on record to say that I have no inside information that this name is >correct. Nor am I the original suggestor of this name. I got it from someone >else (don't remember where). Matt Ward > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > > > > >

hi am I missing something ruth At 03:38 PM 8/2/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Hi! Nancy: Thank you for confirming the data. I corresponded with Heather Hart >by E-Mail, met her on Prodigy several years ago. She was in the process of >moving, not sure where but assumed that it was still in Ind. somewhere, but >that is where I lost contact with her. Too bad that I don't have her address, >as you too would have lots to share, being descended from sisters who migrated >to the same places. >Pat Hoffman > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To post messages to this list send To: KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >

Matt, I want to join you in affirming the purely hypothetical nature of the Gna:gi/Gnaegy research. I think it was David Kornegay of Seville, Spain, who introduced me to the idea about two years ago. I'm not sure of the origin of that hypothesis, however, David faxed me a typed, one page excerpt from what appears to be THE PAPERS OF ALBERT TIMOTHY OUTLAW, accounting the evolution of the KORNEGAY name to scribal error. I agree that is a likely scenario, however, I would feel more comfortable with some empirical evidence. I am also concerned about the weight of credibility given in various Kornegay family histories to the John George HORNIGH reference. The late Charles Kornegay included in his KORNEGAY HISTORY (1710-1986) a typed reproduction of a 1709 English immigration list referring to John George Hornigh and family. Does anyone know who researched that document and the availablility of evidence to support the conclusion that John George is in fact the father of George I? That excerpt contains the only mention I have found to the mysterious "Talsen". The structure of the sentence containing the term is interesting: "...a list of all the poor Germans lately come over from the Palainate into this Kingdom Talsen in St. Catherines." I have done some web research on that text and can find nothing so far about Talsen. I have discovered references in other documents to St. Catherines House, the principal repository of immigration records in London in the early 18th century. I would appreciate any insight anyone has into this critially important document. I will be in London in mid-September and would love to follow up on any leads. The Mexico connection through Robert Kornegay is particularly interesting to me--for more reasons than the name. I recently bought some land in East Texas (Smith County) that was given to a group of Cherokee Indians by Sam Houston for their bravery in *liberating* the Republic of Texas from Mexico. The land was later *liberated* (about 800 Cherokee men, women and children were massacred) by ex-Confederate soldiers after Texas became a State. I wonder if a Kornegay may have been involved. This family gets more interesting with each new posting! Via con Dios, Robert MattWard@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/29/98 11:21:14 PM, you wrote: > > <<I have read several sources for the origin of the name Kornegay. The choice > of my use of Hans Jurg Gnagi given to me by Matt Ward was simply that the > pronunciation most closely resembled the current pronunciation of Kornegay.>> > > Let me go on record to say that I have no inside information that this name is > correct. Nor am I the original suggestor of this name. I got it from someone > else (don't remember where). Matt Ward > > ==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert L. Kornegay | kornegar@mercyships.ch | Work: 41.21.654.32.10 V.P.-Director | rkornegay@compuserve.com | Home: 41.21.654.32.50 Mercy Ships-Suisse | http://www.mercyships.org | Fax: 41.21.654.32.20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Pat, Which Nancy Kornegay is this? I have been looking for a Nancy Kornegay who's email address was NancyK@praisegod.org. I seem to lost track of her. She lives in Sugarland Texas. A Post note to All. Yesterday, I had the opportunity to meet one of the Kornegay kinfolks. Lori Lampkins was in Laurel MS for a reunion and we had the opportunity to get to gether over Lunch and chat genealogy stuff and it was really great. It really means a lot to be able to put faces with names and voices and such. It really feels more like family than a bunch of strangers who happen to have the same line. Thanks Lori, enjoyed it and I hope to have the opportunity to meet everyone. Sheila

Ruth, I guess I should have read all my email before answereing any. I said the same thing you did so, great minds thinking alike just gotta be right. How's the arm? Sheila

Hi to All, Today I was at the Mall (My mid year venture) and found a magazine on Genealogy and in it was an article on researching your German ancestors. It states in the artlcle that the change in German names resulted in English Phonetics. "Here's how I hear it, here's how I'll spell it." I am having the article scanned and will forward it to everyone. Robert, If you are going to be in London, you might try to see what types of lists exist on the Refugee camps of Gravesend and what ever the other one was. I am currently focusing my research on the Heidelburg Germany connection. I'm quite sure it could be a village in the near vicinity but going has been slow. Sheila

Ruth: Last week I wrote a note to Nancy posting all of the information that I had on her KORNEGAY/GRADY line, some of which I got from a Heather Hart, who is related to that line and who also lives in Indiana as does Nancy. I asked Nancy to correct any data that I might have in error. Sorry to have confused you. Pat Hoffman

Hi! Nancy: Thank you for confirming the data. I corresponded with Heather Hart by E-Mail, met her on Prodigy several years ago. She was in the process of moving, not sure where but assumed that it was still in Ind. somewhere, but that is where I lost contact with her. Too bad that I don't have her address, as you too would have lots to share, being descended from sisters who migrated to the same places. Pat Hoffman

In a message dated 7/29/98 11:21:14 PM, you wrote: <<I have read several sources for the origin of the name Kornegay. The choice of my use of Hans Jurg Gnagi given to me by Matt Ward was simply that the pronunciation most closely resembled the current pronunciation of Kornegay.>> Let me go on record to say that I have no inside information that this name is correct. Nor am I the original suggestor of this name. I got it from someone else (don't remember where). Matt Ward

Pat, Ruth and Others, I have almost the same identical info that you do except that I do have more on my line, John Henry Graddy, and his brother, Lewis. Both of them left Ky. together and went to Independence County, Ar. in the 1850's. John was born abt 1813 in Duplin County, N.C. and died in Independence County, Ar. Lewis was born abt 1820 in Duplin County, N.C. and also died in Inde. County, Ar. They both died in the 1880's. They changed the spelling to Grady. No, I have never heard of Heather Hart, but would like to correspond with her. Did you correspond through email or snail mail? Wilda ----- >Hi! Wilda and welcome to the KORNEGAY list. I am afraid that I have some wrong >information about your family, maybe you can help me straighten it out. >Nancy KORNEGAY b. ca 1782 (d/o William KORNEGAY I and Elizabeth OUTLAW) m. >Frederick GRADY 5 Jan 1802 Duplin Co NC. Family moved to KY 1830-35. GRADY >also found as GRADDY/ O'GRADY. Were in Hopkins Co KY and intermarried with >WHITFIELDS & GRADY. Frederick GRADY s/o William and lizabeth BARFIELD GRADY; >grandson of John and Mary WHITFIELD GRADY. Siblings of Frederick GRADY: >John GRADY m. Susan DALE >Mary GRADY m. Joseph WHITFIELD 1 May 1790 Duplin Co >Charity GRADY m. John OUTLAW >William >Henry GRADY m. Elizabeth CROOM >Timothy GRADY m. Patience OUTLAW >Lewis GRADY m. Theresa BAILEY 5 Jan 1802 NC > >Children of Nancy KORNEGAY and Frederick GRADY >1. William married Sarah GRADY d/o Lewis & Theresa (BAILEY)GRADY >2. Henry GRADY b. 1805 m. ca 1838 Louisa GARNER >3. John GRADY >4. Lewis GRADY >5. Elizabeth GRADY m. 22 Sept 1825 William HINES s/o Joel HINES >6. Mary GRADY >7. Nancy GRADY >8. Zilphia GRADY b. 11 Mar 1815 NC- d. 12 Feb 1880 Hopkins Co KY; married >James D. BAILEY b. 30 Sept 1812- d. 10 Aug 1880; s/o James and unknown BAILEY. >Ch: >Valentine BAILEY b. ca 1836 >Malissa J. BAILEY b. ab 1838 m. John T. BAILEY >John W. BAILEY b. ab 1840 >Fred L.BAILEY b. ab 1842 >Martha E. BAILEY 1845-1860/70 m. 25 Dec 1867 John Francis PAGE (11 Feb >1844-15 Jan 1922) had dau Dona Elizabeth PAGE (30 Apr 1870- 31 Oct 1937 m. >James Oliver SLATON Jr. (16 Mar 1863-16 Mar 1938): >James D. BAILEY b. ab 1846 >Sarah BAILEY(21 May 1849-22 Aug 1868. >This is from a descendant Heather Hart of Evansville, Ind. I lost contact with >Heather do you know her? > > 9. Hester GRADY > >Pat Hoffman > > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To post messages to this list send To: KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com > > > >

Ida, thanks for the assistance. I did find it and Jerry's line. It makes sense. My mother knew some of the descendents of Niculous (sp) Kornegay. I remember a few of them. Thanks for the help! Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Ida Kornegay <idafk@esn.net> To: KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com <KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 2:39 AM Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] URL >http://www.ddaccess.com/jbquinn/Kornegay.htm > > >Gloria, > >The above URL is for the Kornegay Family line from the first Kornegay to >come to America. I believe your Great Grandmother, Delia, was the >daughter of Daniel Kornegay and Martha Jane Dail. Also the sister of >Nicodemus, who was my husband's Grandfather. > >I'll get back to you later on the personal "stuff". > >Ida > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== >To view Kornegay Family Pages go to http://www.ddaccess.com/jbquinn/Kornegay.htm > > > > >

Hi all, I got this response back from Rhonda to my questions to her for her sources for the name Hans Jurg Gnagi. Thought you would all like to read it too. Sue in CA > > Subj: Re: Gnage family lines Date: 98-07-30 00:24:28 EDT From: preston@voyageronline.net (Rhonda Bush) Reply-to: preston@voyageronline.net To: SUEMEINHRT@aol.com Hello Sue, I have read several sources for the origin of the name Kornegay. The choice of my use of Hans Jurg Gnagi given to me by Matt Ward was simply that the pronunciation most closely resembled the current pronunciation of Kornegay. The other names that I have are Hornigh by John Martin Oates, Jr. and Krenig by Betty Jean Heathcock. A fourth source, Charles E. Boyd used the spelling Knege which most closely resembles Gnagi. I have not come across any information that I find definitive on the original name and so my use of Gnagi is purely by choice. I would love to get my hands on some of the passenger lists of deGraffenreid's ships so that I could look first hand at the various choices. The above mentioned Charles Boyd did extensive research in the field of genealogy and upon his death bequeathed his papers to his alma mater, the Univ. of Alabama. As I live just a short distance away I plan to visit the University and look through his papers first hand. Sorry that I could not be of any help. Rhonda Bush > >

Hi All, Got this from Sheila which was forwarded to her. I thought the mention of this town in Germany was interesting. Does anyone know anything more about this? Sue in CA > > Forwarded Message: Subj: Re: Kornegays Date: 98-07-29 11:43:08 EDT From: ChristyHW To: Prozak0304 Hello Sheila...:-) I am sorry that it has taken me this long to get back with you...we had a terrible storm here on saturday night, and it knocked out the phone lines in the neighborhood...they finally got around to fixing them and now I can finally commincate again :-) In reference to the source of Heidelburg, Germany...When I first got started we found Mary Ann's name spelled Carnegie, but couldn't find proof of it or any information on her family. About a year ago we came across about 4 family sheets that a distant cousin had filled out on the Kornegay's...the first page is on George Kornegay, the second is on William Kornegay, the third is on Issac Kornegay, and the fourth is on Lewis William Kornegay. The cousin's name was Harold Wilson, and we tried to contact him, but he is now deceased. He had it down that George Kornegay was born about 1701 around Heidelburg, Germany. Thanks for the e-mail address, I will try to contact her. I will also check out the link that you gave me. Christy

Hi Ruth, Barney Kornegay is John Kornegay & A. Civil Kornegay's son. It is listed on the Kornegay homepage lines that Jerry Q. did. Sue in CA

Hi Kin, A.T. Outlaw did a great job, and his book serves as a grand guide line for Kornegay and allied families. However, let the researcher beware. There are several mistakes in the work. Be sure you do your own proofing behind him. I contacted his daughters several years ago, and they said they threw his notes and papers away when he passed away. I hope no one takes exception to this warning. An acquaintance of mine had a copy of his book, and I have lost contact with her. I guess the only way to find this work is in a library somewhere. I am enjoying learning about Kornegays I never dreamed existed. Marguerite Whitley mwhitley@coastalnet.com -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Westbrook <o6t8l5jv@coastalnet.com> To: KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com <KORNEGAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 8:23 PM Subject: [KORNEGAY-L] Edward's message >Hi: >enjoyed Edward's message. >Im very familiar with the A. T. Outlaw papers that he was referring to. > >A. T was Register of Deeds (I think this is correct) of Duplin County for >many years and he wrote down information -about relationships- of the >Kornegay family. I'm sure he did it on many families - but I have seen a >copy on the Kornegay family. > >Ruth >Duplin County > > >==== KORNEGAY Mailing List ==== > > > > >