Gene, I have to complement you on your research, you have done a fantastic job. The info I have on Andrew Kohler III (b. 1795) comes from a book published by my father's cousin, Warren Ray Kohler. I am going to try and contact him this week and see if I can get a hold of his sources. The book is called 'An ancestral history of Warren Ray Kohler' it includes may families of Chester and Juniata counties. He goes back to Andrew III, but didn't make the connection to the York line of Kohlers. I have a copy of his manuscript before it was published. If you would like, I will email you all the relevant Kohler info for your records (or the whole thing if you want). I had transcribed the manuscript (it was originally done on a typewriter) into a MS Word document. I agree that Andrew III is very likely the son of Andrew II of York Co. I appreciate the work you put into your response to me. I am slowly getting bits and pieces of information on this family, but it sounds as if you have a majority of the work already done. Anyway, I would appreciate whatever information you would like to share about the Kohler line in York. One interesting piece of information I have is an email I sent to someone researching the Spangler name. She contends that Maria Magdalena Spangler married to Andreas Kohler is not actually a Spangler. She wrote: Dear Steve, While searching the ancestral file at the family history center I came across a family group sheet for your ancestor Andrew Kohler. The group sheet lists the wife as Maria Magdalena Spengler, with a question mark after her name. Her parents are listed as Hans Kasper Spengler and Judith Ziegler. I searched the baptismal records of Christ Lutheran Church, York, York Co., PA., and found two children of your ancestor Andrew Kohler. Both baptisms had Spengler sponsors, and I believe this is their reason for deciding that the mother may be a Spengler. The baptisms are as follows: Mary Magdalena Kohler, daughter of Andrew and Mary Magdalena Kohler (Catholics) born 4 July 1748, bpt 10 July 1748, witnesses; Balthasar & Mary Magdalena Spengler (Lutheran.) John George Kohler, son of Andrew and Mary Magdalen Kohler, both Catholics, born 8 Feb 1752, bpt 15 March 1752, Witnesses; John George Spengler and his sister Juliana Spengler. I believe that many researchers are making the common mistake of assuming that the sponsors of a baptismal record must be relatives of the family. While this often holds true, it cannot always be accepted as the norm. Often sponsors for a childs baptism are family friends, neighbors, or another member of the church. My main gripe is that individuals are reporting information to the FTM or FHC without the necessary documentation to back up their claims. This may lead another individual through many years of family research on a surname that later proves not to be of their line. Since I am a descendent of Hans Kasper Spengler and wife Judith Ziegler I can tell you that this information is not correct. The children of Casper and Judith Spengler are as follows: Albrecht, Jonas and wife Maria Stinia Kindig, Phillip, Bernhard and wife Anna Margaretha Brauns, Rudolph and wife Barbara, Anna Maria and husband Michael Swope, Judith who married 1st Henry Baker, 2nd Jacob Eichinger, and Philip Casper Spengler and wife Margaret Solome Dinkel. The Kohler surname does not appear in the Will or Orphans Court Dockets for Casper Spengler. Nor does the Kohler surname appear in the INDEX to the book on the Spengler family by Edward W. Spengler. Possibly another member of this news group can help you with Maria Magdalena's maiden name. Sincerely, Patricia Laird Howard ==== PAYORK Mailing List ==== York County Web Page - USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~payork/index.htm Do you have any thoughts on what Patricia found? Did you find out anything else on Maria Magdalena that might help with this issue? Please let me know if you want that manuscript. Thanks again, Steve Kohler