In a message dated 98-08-28 03:17:15 EDT, Cindy Palmer (Cinpalmer@aol.com) wrote << Is Hans Philip the father of that OTHER Baltzer? :-) >> Some say this Hans Philip Kohler never left Philadelphia and was not the father of Baltzer of Shrewsbury. The York Co Historical Society has a letter from a Mrs Owen [nee Kohler] in the 1930's that says Baltzer of Manchester is son of that Hans Philip. That I can prove beyond all doubt is not true. I've never tried to resolve who this Hans was, but of interest Andrew named one of his sons Hans Philip - interesting. Some say Baltzer of Shrewsbury was born in Berks county and came to York county with his mother and two brothers, John and Adam. I never was able to prove/disprove this. The Mrs Owen letter is the source of many genealogies being in error. However, the Society will not remove or attach a not to it. I might add that the dates of birth and death get intermixed for these two Baltzers. But I have Baltzer of Manchester's bap record and probated will to firm the dates. Regards, Gene Smith gsmithsan@aol.com