Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah Genealogies and Biographies states that: Jane Cobbley m/ Edward KAHLER. [For time frame>>>] Jane's mother, Sarah Smith was born 16 April 1823. Leslie Bridges Kohler [List Moderator/KOEHLER-L] ShandyBeast@starlink.com FOX--GLENN--MANTLO--DICKINSON

The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 61 page 312 Mrs. S. Aura Bentz Parker. Granddaughter of John Kuter and Lydia KAHLER, his wife. Gr-granddaughter of Valentine Kuter and Christine Fuchs, his wife. Valentine Kuter (1759-1852) enlisted, 1777, serving as private and lieutenant in the Pennsylvania volunteers under Captains Mellinger, Stinger, and Pearson, and Colonels McMaster, Lewitz, Butler, and KELLER.

Hi everyone, This has been very interesting to me with the variations regarding Koehler/Keller/Kaylor as I have all three names in my ancestry, all in PA yet they are 3 seperate families related by marriage. My Henry William KOEHLER b. 5.12.1849 (philadelphia) married Agusta KAYLOR b. 1851. Henry is the son of Christian & Wilhemina KOEHLER, and Agusta is the daughter of Alfred and Elizabeth KAYLOR. (their dates I am still seeking). Henry Wiliam died and Agusta moved back home with her father and raised her son Henry William jr.b. 5.1.1876 with her father and siblings Afred jr. and Virginia-who were also living at home in 1876. Elizabeth Kaylor has also died and sadly Henry Sr has died 11 days short of the birth of his son. This all still in Philadelphia. I am conected to KAYLOR and KOEHLER through the HENSEL line ( Henry's mother is a HENSEL) Also through the HENSEL line I have KELLER family of Lancaster. The KELLER file I now have is somewhat extensive if it can help anyone. They were a very prominent Lutheran family with several generations of Lutheran ministers in Redaing, PA, Harrisburg, PA. I am curious if anyone else has come across this-or has any similar conections. Good luck in your searches, Jem

Don wrote>>> ...messages are converted... When they arrive at the destination, they are then converted into the format of the receipient's Email software. So... non-standard characters like the Umlauts are not consistently converted.<<< -- Makes sense to me. Lucky for me, program does convert them back. :-) Leslie Bridges Kohler [List Moderator of KOEHLER-L] ShandyBeast@starlink.com DICKINSON--FOX--GLENN--MANTLO

A hugh thank you to Bob, who wrote>>> ...one must use the number keys on the numeric keypad (Num Lock 'on'), and hold the Alt key down while pressing all three digits of the number, then release the Alt key. Umlaut a (ä) DOS alt-132 Windows alt-228 Umlaut o (ö) DOS alt-148 Windows alt-246 Umlaut u (ü) DOS alt-129 Windows alt-252 --------------------- My problem was that I was not using the 10-key but rather the keyboard numbers. *Note: Even though I use Win95, I must use the DOS versions to make it work. Leslie

Hi, Leslie, I saw that Gary sent you the IBM type way to get the umlaut, however, if you're a faithful MAC user (like me), then it's: Hold down the Option key and type "u", release the Option key, then the letter you want umlauted, as: ä Ä ë ï ö Ö ü Ü Best wishes, Caral

Remember: you are entering your messages in the format of your particular Email software. When messages go over the Internet, the messages are converted into a common format. When they arrive at the destination, they are then converted into the format of the receipient's Email software. So during all this conversion, non-standard characters like the Umlauts are not consistently converted. The convention normally used in Germany to represent the Umlauted vowels (when you cannot type Umlauts) is to drop the Umlaut and add an "e" after the base vowel. This yields: ä (Umlaut "a") = ae ö (Umlaut "o") = oe ü (Umlaut "u") = ue and then there's the ß (ess-zet) character that looks like a Greek beta that equates to a double "s" = ss So now you understand why Köhler is often spelled as Koehler (also in Germany). In the States, Köhler is usually anglicized to Koehler or Kohler (and Müller becomes Mueller or Muller). don Except when the message I sent you comes back to me, the umlaut now looks like the division sign????? >>> Gary Kahler <DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil> 06/25/98 03:47pm >>> Hi Leslie, If you hold down the "ALT" key and then type 148 on the number pad, and then let go of the "ALT" key, you should get you umlaut. K÷hler. Gary KAHLER

Sounds wonderful but I tried and nothing happens. I have Win 95 Internet Mail Program. Bob? Anyone? Leslie ---------- : Try these key combinations for the common German umlauted syllables: : Umlaut a (ä) DOS alt-132 Windows alt-228 : Umlaut o (ö) DOS alt-148 Windows alt-246 : Umlaut u (ü) DOS alt-129 Windows alt-252 : -- : Bob Mittelstadt rdstadt@cts1.internetwis.com

Does anybody have any Kohler's in Portage Co, OH in the 1830's? Melissa Thompson Alexander mada@cmc.net www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/l/e/Melissa-T-Alexander/ Surnames: THOMPSON, MATTINGLY, CISSELL(CECIL), FRENCH, VESSELS, VOWELS (all of the MD Catholic line >KY>IL), THOMPSON OF Yorkshire, England BEFORE 1660, GILLEY (TN>IL), KRUTSINGER, GROEZINGER, SNIDER, (these last 3 PA>VA>IN>IL), PORTER, PHELPS, HAINS, MEDCALF, JACKSON, SPEAKES, MILLER, ALLEN, MAY (MAI), KOHLER, ADELHART, GUTHIER, STAAB, HORSCHLER, GLUMP, SCHILLING, DIETER, RETIG, CUMMIN(G), ECKES, NIX, ALTENHOFER, FEHER, ALEXANDER (Stirling line of Scotland>Ulster>MD>NC>TN-MO) FULLINGTON (MO), RADER.(MO) "Have an Edmonds kind of day" Edmonds, WA USA

I see these special inserted characters did not work either. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Don & Melissa Alexander [mailto:mada@cmc.net] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:00 PM To: KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KOEHLER-L] RE: [KOEHLER-L] KÖHLER -Reply -Reply I have found this method does not survive the MIME e-mail format. (( ( I tried to insert 3 special characters using the insert function and special fonts. Did that work? Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kahler [mailto:DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:00 PM To: KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KOEHLER-L] KÖHLER -Reply -Reply Except when the message I sent you comes back to me, the umlaut now looks like the division sign????? >>> Gary Kahler <DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil> 06/25/98 03:47pm >>> Hi Leslie, If you hold down the "ALT" key and then type 148 on the number pad, and then let go of the "ALT" key, you should get you umlaut. K÷hler. Gary KAHLER ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>. ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>. ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>.

Try these key combinations for the common German umlauted syllables: Umlaut a (ä) DOS alt-132 Windows alt-228 Umlaut o (ö) DOS alt-148 Windows alt-246 Umlaut u (ü) DOS alt-129 Windows alt-252 -- Bob Mittelstadt rdstadt@cts1.internetwis.com Charles William Koehler 11 Aug 1827 - 20 Jan 1902, wife Augusta 1833-1910; settled and died in Lowell Twonship, Dodge County, Wisconsin; birthplaces unknown; children, August Carl 1861-1927; Augusta 1864-1946 (married Charles Frey Jr.); Henry Koehler 1867-1936; Carl Koehler 1873-1944 - all lived in Lowell Township.

I have found this method does not survive the MIME e-mail format. (( ( I tried to insert 3 special characters using the insert function and special fonts. Did that work? Melissa -----Original Message----- From: Gary Kahler [mailto:DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:00 PM To: KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KOEHLER-L] KÖHLER -Reply -Reply Except when the message I sent you comes back to me, the umlaut now looks like the division sign????? >>> Gary Kahler <DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil> 06/25/98 03:47pm >>> Hi Leslie, If you hold down the "ALT" key and then type 148 on the number pad, and then let go of the "ALT" key, you should get you umlaut. K÷hler. Gary KAHLER ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>. ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>.

Except when the message I sent you comes back to me, the umlaut now looks like the division sign????? >>> Gary Kahler <DSU#c#DSU.DSUPO#c#kahlergw@nasni.navy.mil> 06/25/98 03:47pm >>> Hi Leslie, If you hold down the "ALT" key and then type 148 on the number pad, and then let go of the "ALT" key, you should get you umlaut. K÷hler. Gary KAHLER ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>.

Hi Leslie, If you hold down the "ALT" key and then type 148 on the number pad, and then let go of the "ALT" key, you should get you oumlot. Köhler. Gary KAHLER

Favor Please: Would one of you who knows how to make the keyboard add the umlout (sp?--It's been over 30 years since 2 yrs of H.S. Deutch!) send me instructions. Barring that, would someone send me the name KÖHLER with an upper case K and the rest in lower case. Then I can use cut & paste. THX.......Leslie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Leslie Bridges Kohler [List Moderator of KOEHLER-L] ShandyBeast@starlink.com DICKINSON--FOX--GLENN--MANTLO

Hi, Glad to see this list and hope it includes the variant of KAYLOR. In my 25 years of research, especially in PA, I have found our Kaylor, spelled at least 20 different ways, including KOEHLER/KOHLER/KEHLER/KALER/CALER,etc.. I have been "lost" in the early 1800's in PA or possibly MD trying to locate the parents of DANIEL KAYLOR b ca 1808 in PA; m MARGARET ICKES 1827 in Bedford Co PA. The spelling found in the marriage KIELER!!!So took me 20 years to find it. I have a Sangamon Co IL History biography for their son JOHN KAYLOR b 1836 Johnstown, Cambria Co PA, which states that his father and grandfather were also DANIEL. But I have learned that you can't always go by these bios, so I don't rule out other given names. As Margaret Ickes was born in Washington CO MD, I am looking in that area, too. There is also record of his death in Vigo Co IN where his name is HENRY KAYLOR...so we evidently have DANIEL HENRY KAYLOR. He and Margaret are buried in Woodlawn Cemetery, Terre Haute, IN. Daniel and Margaret moved around from Bedford Co PA to Indiana Co and Cambria Co PA to Lawrence Co PA and then on to Edgar Co IL and Vigo Co IN (across the Wabash river from each other) All of their children were born in PA. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? Would love to find out Daniels parents and would share info I have collected. Thanks, Mary Ann Kaylor _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello everyone! It's good to see a list for our family! I'd like to introduce myself, and share what I have on my Kehler/Koehler line with all of you. I would greatly appreciate any additions or corrections to it. With an infant daughter, my research is temporarily on hold, but my interest remains... My Koehler line is: 1. Elizabeth Hepler KEHLER. b. 1-Jan-1848, Locustdale, Schuykill, PA. d. 8-Jun-1925, Pottsville, Schuykill, PA. Married Thomas GLENWRIGHT, son of Thomas GLENWRIGHT and Hannah DAWSON, 3-Aug-1867 in Minersville, Schuykill, PA. 2. Joseph Knerr KEHLER. b. 10-May-1827, Mahontongo (now Eldred Twp.), Schuykill, PA. d. 30-May-1897, Shenandoah, Schuykill, PA. Married 18-Dec-1847, probably in Schuykill Co. to 3. Catherine Haupt HEPLER. b. 27-Apr-1828, Mahontongo, daughter of Peter HEPLER and Elizabeth HAUPT. d. 1-Apr-1912, Shenandoah. 4. John KEHLER. Changed spelling of name from KOEHLER to KEHLER. b. 17-Mar-1804, Mahontongo. d. 2-Apr-1866, Pitman, Schuykill, PA. Married to 5. Catherine KNERR. b. 3-Sep-1806, Lowhill, Lehigh, PA, daughter of John KNERR and Catherine BACHMAN. d. 13-Mar-1891 (where?). 8. Johann Philip KOEHLER. b. 1-Jan-1776, Mahontongo (then Berks Co.), PA, son of Henry KOEHLER and Elizabeth (surname unknown). d. 6-Jun-1856, prob Schuykill Co., PA. Married to 9. Susanna HEPLER. b. 1-Jan-1781, Upper Milford, Northampton, PA, daughter of Johann Casper HEPLER Jr. and Anna Maria SCHMIDT. d. 2-Dec-1847, prob Mahontongo. Doug Murphy - douglasmurphy@lucent.com Omaha, Nebraska, USA

Thank you so much!! I will check it out and let you know what I find! >>> "Leslie (Bridges) Kohler" <shandybeast@starlink.com> 06/24/98 11:49pm >>> True to my word [whew! <G>] , I figured out where I had found this information. It was on the Ancestry web site. The URL is: www.ancestry.com ><><><><>Gary wrote><><><><>< : Eureka!!! I've been looking for more info on my Great Grandfather and BINGO! : Here it is. Thank you Leslie!!!! Where did you find this info and where can I : get a copy??? ><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Leslie Bridges Kohler [List Moderator of KOEHLER-L] ShandyBeast@starlink.com DICKINSON--FOX--GLENN--MANTLO ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== To post to the list, send email to <KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com>.

That would be so great of you if you can find it, but please don't run yourself into the ground! :-) >>> "Leslie (Bridges) Kohler" <shandybeast@starlink.com> 06/24/98 11:25pm >>> <<<Gary wrote:>>> : Eureka!!! I've been looking for more info on my Great Grandfather and BINGO! : Here it is. Thank you Leslie!!!! Where did you find this info and where can I : get a copy??? ------------------ I have hunted until I am blue. It came to me in a post from another list and I thought that I had saved it. But, so far, I cannot find it, even in my 'deleated' file. I WILL find out for you. Leslie

The piece below contains such important information, that could relate to some of our ancestors, that I deceided to share it with you. Though rather lengthy, it is well worth the read. BTW, this came to me from the GEN-DE-L list. Leslie ----------------------------------------- Once again: "Germans to America" really cannot be trusted ... On March 30, 1857 Jakob Damschen mailed a letter in Minden on the Weser stating that he and his wife and 5 children were on their way to Bremen and from there to Bremerhaven to cross the Atlantic for America. I searched the passenger lists published in "Germans to America" (Glazier/Filby: Germans to America, Vol. 9-13: Wilmington, DE: Scholarly Resources 1989/90) for the name of Jakob Damschen. However, his name was not in the lists covering April and May 1857. Was it possible that a list had been overlooked? The passenger lists of vessels arriving at N e w Y o r k in that period which are a available on microfilm in the National Archives did not include the name either. But when I checked the films with the passenger lists of vessels arriving at Baltimore I finally found the family Damschen. And I realized that this "Baltimore list" had not been considered in "Germans to America". Volumes 9-13 of "Germans to America" do not include any passenger lists of vessels that arrived at Baltimore in the period August 4, 1856 to January 17, 1860, whereas these lists can be accessed on the microfilm rolls 11 and 12 (National Archives Microfilm Publications, M 255: Passenger Lists of Vessels arriving at Baltimore): 79 passenger lists of vessels from Bremen/Bremerhaven with the names of approx. 10.000 immigrants from Germany. In most cases the places of origin are also indicated. The lists which have not been published by Glazier/Filby, are "CITY-LISTS". I assume that for "Germans to America" only the lists which are stored in the National Archives were utilized. The microfilms produced some years ago by the National Archives were not considered. Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby failed to compare the stored lists with those available on microfilm. Glazier/Filby make it difficult for historians and genealogists to find names: Although the index of names they present is very helpful, every registration has to be compared with the lists available on microfilm and these films are hard to come by. In particular this applies to those Germans who emigrated from Bremen because the lists drawn up by the emigration authorities in this city were destroyed whereas the lists of those emigrating from Hamburg were preserved. The most promising way of finding the names of passengers bound for Baltimore is to check the microfilm supplies of the National Archives: - the Baltimore film-rolls (microfilms M 255), - the Baltimore index of names (microfilms M 326, M 327), - the Baltimore quarterly reports to the Federal Government: the Quarterly Abstracts (microfilm, M 596). Once again: In volumes 9-13 Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby omitted 10.000 German immigrants. I assume that there are further 'city lists' on other microfilm rolls, so that it seems likely that the number of immigrants not listed in "Germans to America" is even bigger: I cannot rule out the possibility that Baltimore lists ("City Lists") of vessels, arriving after January 17, 1860, available on microfilm in the National Archives, have been omitted in Glazier/Filby. Before August 4, 1856 Glazier/Filby omitted only one ship: the vessel "Minerva", arriving from Bremen at Baltimore November 18, 1854. Attention must also be drawn to the following points: - In those instances in which coded names of places are given in "Germans to America" and mixed with indications like "000" or "ZZZ" ("unknown village"), it seems likely that the names of the places where the immigrants did come from nevertheless can be found on the microfilms available. But on the other hand I found that all the German passengers (338) on board the ship "Ems", Bremen - New York, November 10, 1884 (M 237, Roll 481; Glazier/Filby 50, 375-378), in "Germans to America" lost their "last residence". - For those cases in which the passenger lists of ships, arriving from Hamburg available on microfilm, only give "Germany" or one of the German regional states (e.g. Prussia) as the immigrants' places of origin, it is usually the case that the exact place of origin can be found in the Hamburger Regitraturen (1850 - 1934). The following institution will help you with your search: The Historic Emigration Office Elizabeth Sroka Postfach 10 21 249 Steinstrasse 7 20095 Hamburg Tel.: +49(0)40-30051282 Fax: +49(0)40-30051220 e-mail: esrokaheo@aol.com internet: http://users.cybercity.dk~ccc13652/addr/ger-heo.htm Glazier/Filby have crossed out on all the lists the names of all (German) passengers, coming from R u s s i a and A u s t r i a, but not the names of those (Germans), coming from Switzerland or France. (Also see: "Pitfalls" ...: http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/nausa; printed: Fallstricke fuer Genealogen. In: Genealogie 45 (1996) 9/10, 274-280; Fallstricke und kein Ende 46: (1997) 3/4, 507f. - Engl.: Germans to America. 50 volumes that are not to be trusted. In: The Palatine Immigrant 22 (1997) 2, 80-87; Pitfalls and no End to Them, 22 (1997) 3, 152f.) Antonius Holtmann e-mail: holtmann@hrz1.uni-oldenburg.de internet: http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/nausa