I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons never owned it. Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the property. The manor takes its name from the (now defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from Kent, we probably take our name from the village also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. There was another such village in Dorsetshire (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 English census on line] Hope this helps. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton < Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is

Thank you so much for that bit of information! The site I recall from the on-line account, was a bunch of rubble, literally, absolutely nothing special at this point in time. I will check that site out again. I am intrigued to hear this information. But, which came first, the town of Knowlton or the Knowlton family? Sounds a lot like the chicken or the egg. -Dana On Feb 25, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Elizabeth W. Knowlton wrote: > I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. > It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and > spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. > She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people > had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come > to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in > time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons > never owned it. > > Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the > property. The manor takes its name from the (now > defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from > Kent, we probably take our name from the village > also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. > > There was another such village in Dorsetshire > (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons > nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 > English census on line] > > Hope this helps. > > > Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything > super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, > do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 > or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more > reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was > not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in > England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can > check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. > But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who > had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original > occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from > 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton > < > > > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton > it's = it is > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Elizabeth. We're still fighting this "manorial" ancestry nonsense! Thought it might be interesting for new researchers to learn the meaning of "Knowlton". The name comes from the old English, "cnoll" (middle English, "knolle"), meaning a small rounded hill or mound and the old English "tun", meaning an enclosed place, homestead or village; so Knowlton means town, village or place on the hill.} Regards, Clyde Vanderbrouk -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth W. Knowlton [mailto:KnowltonEW@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:10 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons never owned it. Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the property. The manor takes its name from the (now defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from Kent, we probably take our name from the village also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. There was another such village in Dorsetshire (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 English census on line] Hope this helps. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton < Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Well, I just "visited" the site. It lies in the parish of Woodlands and is in ruin from the 12-16th centuries. It is known as Knowlton Henge although henge, they say, is not the proper term. They have also been called the Knowlton Circles. If you have Sherlock it is easy to find just type in Knowlton Manor and the archaeological site will be referenced. I am not saying that any Knowltons once lived there because it isn't stated- in fact they aren't sure what it was. But, theoretically, even if it was a Knowlton Castle, after 8-900 years and lots of relatives later one can only imagine that not much would be left of it. I haven't been aware of the manor Elizabeth speaks of, where is it if Knowlton (the village) doesn't exist? Thanks for letting me know about the meaning of the name "Knowlton".-Thanks, Dana On Feb 25, 2004, at 5:39 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Thanks Elizabeth. We're still fighting this "manorial" ancestry > nonsense! Thought it might be interesting for new researchers to learn > the meaning of "Knowlton". The name comes from the old English, > "cnoll" > (middle English, "knolle"), meaning a small rounded hill or mound and > the old English "tun", meaning an enclosed place, homestead or village; > so Knowlton means town, village or place on the hill.} > Regards, > Clyde Vanderbrouk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth W. Knowlton [mailto:KnowltonEW@compuserve.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:10 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor > > I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. > It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and > spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. > She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people > had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come > to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in > time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons > never owned it. > > Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the > property. The manor takes its name from the (now > defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from > Kent, we probably take our name from the village > also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. > > There was another such village in Dorsetshire > (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons > nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 > English census on line] > > Hope this helps. > > > Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything > super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, > do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 > or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more > reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was > not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in > England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can > check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. > But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who > had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original > occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from > 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton > < > > > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton > it's = it is > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >