I have gotten so enthusiastic about the y-dna project that Carlisle started on our list because now I can see how it will work with the documents that we have. If only more of the male Knowltons would take the (painless) test, especially the 37-marker one. We got my brother's results back and discovered that we do not match any other Knowltons EXCEPT Bill Knowlton, the bluegrass guy from upstate NY. This is a big "except" because Bill's line looks good back to Ipswich, and his Knowltons hung around there for a while. Since our line left Ipswich for NYC ca 1700, I was always a little uneasy with Stocking's pedigree work. But Bill and my brother have a whole different haploid group from the rest of you Knowltons who have been tested! Can this mean that there were unrelated Knowltons in Ipswich in the 17th century? It looks like it. My enthusiasm has led me back to the English work, including Stocking's pedigrees of 18th and 19th century English Knowltons. I suddenly realized that by combining the English census (1841-1901) on Ancestry.com, the parish records (long ago filmed by LDS and indexed on familysearch.org), and the vital records (FreeBMD.org), I could check Stocking's work. The 1901 English census contains almost 400 people with the last name of Knowlton (not counting other spellings). The vast majority are from Hampshire in SW/S England. None of Stocking's work seems to cover them. Since there were two places named Knowlton in England, one in Dorset (near Hampshire) and one in Kent (SE England), it is quite reasonable to conclude that many unrelated people from these hamlets may have taken the name when surnames became common among ordinary people. [And perhaps we will be able to put to rest the myth that Knowlton hall in Kent, also named for the place, was occupied by Knowltons. Any google search will give you information about the Peyton family that lived there. Also, if you check Kent archives through cyndislist.com, you will see transcriptions of many documents connecting that family to the Hall.] At any rate, I have only done a little preliminary work on the English Knowltons. I believe I have located Charles (31), Stocking p 6, and his wife Jane on the 1841 census for Co Rutland, Braunston. Since Stocking says that the couple was buried in Branston churchyard in 1841, that looks close. Charles is a grocer, it looks like to me; anyone with ancestry for UK can check me on that. The couple appears to have a son Charles, 35, not mentioned in Stocking, who lists only their daughter Frances Hare Knowlton who married Clarke Morris. More nebulous is Charles (54), Stocking p 11, supposedly the grandson of Rev Charles Knowlton and Sarah Fowler. Stocking says Charles (54) married and had a daughter and son named Helen and Arthur and that this Charles did not die until 1857 in London. As I said, most Knowltons were in Hampshire. I located a Charles and Eliza Knowlton family in St. Mary Newington Parish, Lambeth Borough, Surrey, the Greater London area, in 1841. They have four children: Eliza, Ellen, Charlie, and Arthur, the latter being a less usual first name. Ellen and Helen were often used interchangably. Charles appears to be a merchant. Following them along, I find them in 1851still in Surrey, Southwark borough, St George Parish, Charles a sign board writer and Arthur apparently having died but everyone else the same. Charles says he was born in Bristol!! I have not located them in 1861. In 1871, I believe our Charles Jr is a clerk in St Mary, Newington, Surrey, again. There are several Charleses born about 1840, so I am not sure except for his birthplace. In 1881, a Charles who is writer for Privy Council and says he was born in London, aged 41, is married to Alice and has a four-year old daughter, Alice. In 1901, they are in Essex, Walthamstow, Dist 6, also in London area. Charles is now 61, and the family includes Gladys and Harry, 11, born Middlesex, Tottenham. I was able to locate Harry Edward Knowlton's birth between July and Sep 1889 in Edmonton (which includes Tottenham). I have posted on the Knowlton message board for Harry's descendants. I hope to bring you more about the English people (real ones) mentioned in Stocking. Mostly I want to inspire you to have the y-dna test done if you are a Knowlton male. Thanks for all your help so far. Elizabeth W. Knowlton