Thanks Kathy for the info., that helps. Have a bit of sortiing of all the data I have gathered. Will probably be in touch later. Dena P.S. Do you know whowere the parents of Bethia Edwards ? Kathleen Prior wrote: > > >Let me start with grandparents since my parents are a "no brainer". > >This is my maternal grandfathers side of the family so first I obtained his >birth certificate from Hamilton, Essex County, MA. This was easy. His name was >Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Jr. > >My g-grandparents were Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Sr. and Mabel Preston >Woodberry. I knew when both had died from family records. She died in 1908 >(very young) and he died in 1932. I got his birth certificate from Hamilton and >I got hers from Beverly, MA. Both certificates listed their parents. This >again was easy. > >My gg-grandparents, John Harrison Knowlton (originally Mears - he was adopted) >and Sarah Ann Knowlton, both from Hamilton, MA. Both births are listed in the >Hamilton Vital Records along with their parents. I am in the process of >transcribing Hamilton's Vital Records pages for John Slaugther's website ( >http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/VitalRecords ). > >My ggg-grandparents, Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton were also >listed in the Vital Records along with their marriage. I also have pictures of >their tombstones which connects the two as spouses. > >All of these generations were not brain surgery. They lived in the same house >for 6 generations. I have pictures of the family and the house dating back to >the 1800's. This portion of my entire family tree was the most "well" >documented until I reached my gggg-grandparents. > >My gggg-grandparents were the toughest link. I knew they were Edmund Knowlton, >Jr. and Lydia Patch but I had to prove they married. Their son Ira Patch >Knowlton's (my ggg-grandfather) birth certificate only lists his parents as >Edmund and Lydia Knowlton - no maiden name for her. (I was not transcribing the >Hamilton Records at the time I was proving this portion of my line - when I >received the Vital Records from John I saw their marriage listed) So I had to >go to Hamilton and hope to find their tombstone and pray that it would have some >sort of a connection and BINGO! it did. They have a joint tombstone which has >them listed as Edmund Knowlton and Lydia Patch Knowlton with exact birth and >death dates. Once I proved their relationship I was home free. > >The Mayflower Society needed proof of Edmund, Jr. and Lydia's marriage (which I >got) because they have the previous generations documented and they are as >follows: > >Edmund, Jr's parents were Edmund Knowlton, Sr. and Mary Austin (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Edmund, Sr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Jr. and Susanna Potter (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Benjamin, Jr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Sr. and Susanna Dutch (Susanna is >the granddaughter of Richard More and this is all documented through the >Mayflower Society) > >The remainder of the line I had from a family tree that my GG-Aunts worked on >back in the late 1800's. I have seen the same line on the internet in many >different trees so I am assuming that it's correct but we know what happens when >one assumes. > >Benjamin Knowlton's parents were John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards > >John's parents were William Knowlton and Elizabeth Balch > >William's parents were Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith > >I hope this is not too confusing. You can always refer to my website ( >http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ). > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > Dick/Dena Iverson > <norarts@worldnet To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > .att.net> cc: > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann > 02/05/2004 12:46 Elizabeth Smith > PM > Please respond to > KNOWLTON-L > > > > > > >You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I >have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this >line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for >documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your >sources of proof ??????????? > >Regards, >Dena > >Kathleen Prior wrote: > > > >>Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want >>to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! >> >>Kathy Prior >>Executive Assistant >>Bayer HealthCare >>Technical Operations - North America >>973-254-4621 >>973-408-8122 (Fax) >>Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your sources of proof ??????????? Regards, Dena Kathleen Prior wrote: > > >Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want >to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Dear Elizabeth Knowlton, Are we certain that William married Elizabeth Balch? My research conducted 3-4 years ago indicates a ?. Clyde -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Prior [mailto:kathleen.prior.b@bayer.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:48 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Kathy, They are: 1. John (1610?--1654) 2. William (1615?--1655) 3. Thomas (1622?--1692) Clyde -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Prior [mailto:kathleen.prior.b@bayer.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:48 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, Clyde: As an expansion of what you said, not a correction: 1. It is not that Capt. William and Ann have been proved *not* to be the parents of the three KNOWLTON men who settled at Ipswich. It is that their parentage is unknown. 2. This is not a matter of not having "quite enough" evidence to satisfy some obsessive-compulsive personality type. Even by a more lenient standard, such as "common sense and no serious discrepancies", this part of the traditional family history collapses on examination. 3. Good luck in your search! Many have been looking for the ancestry of "our" KNOWLTONs on this side of the Atlantic, with no luck, for decades ... centuries, even. But when I say "good luck" I am *not* being sarcastic. If you succeed, your many KNOWLTON cousins, half-step-semi-cousins and just plain barnyard relations will be more than ecstatic, I assure you. Darrell -----Original Message----- From: Vanderbrouk <rpckvv@swbell.net> Sent: Feb 4, 2004 1:06 PM Kathleen, No one has ever been able to prove a link from the three Knowlton boys who settled at Ipswich, MA ca. 1640 to Capt. William and Ann Elizabeth. Regards, Clyde Vanderbrouk -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Prior [mailto:kathleen.prior.b@bayer.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:21 AM [snip] Until now I thought this was the one line was finished with! :-) Well if it isn't then I guess I am in search of Benjamin's true parents. Thanks for any help! Happy Hunting! Kathy Prior Darrell A. Martin a native Vermonter in exile in Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer

Kathleen, No one has ever been able to prove a link from the three Knowlton boys who settled at Ipswich, MA ca. 1640 to Capt. William and Ann Elizabeth. Regards, Clyde Vanderbrouk -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Prior [mailto:kathleen.prior.b@bayer.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:21 AM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith I have been reading all of the posts regarding the Knowlton's and I'm now all confused. I am a direct descendant of Benjamin Knowlton who married Susanna Dutch. I have concrete proof and I also have the Mayflower society to back me up. Back in the late 1800's my GG-Aunts researched the family line and since they were living in Hamilton Ma the records were very accessible. Benjamin Knowlton is the G-Grandson of Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith. Here is the rest of their connection. Their son William and Elizabeth Balch had a son named John Knowlton who married Bethia Edwards and Benjamin is a product of their union. Benjamin then married Susanna Dutch who was the Granddaugther of Richard More (a pilgrim). [ http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ] So now my question is - are you saying that Capt William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith are not the parents of John, Samuel Robert William, Mary and Thomas? Or, are you saying that William Knowlton is just not the son of this Richard Knowlton and Elizabeth Cantize? I have never had this connection between William and Richard before so I'm curious. If someone could please clarify I would be very appreciative. Until now I thought this was the one line was finished with! :-) Well if it isn't then I guess I am in search of Benjamin's true parents. Thanks for any help! Happy Hunting! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer "Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.ne To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com t> cc: Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann 02/03/2004 05:49 Elizabeth Smith PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Dana, More information--- The matter of the mysterious "Captain" William and his alleged wife, Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) keeps popping up on this list from time to time. No one has ever been able to find a positive link to Capt. Wm. and Ann for the three chaps who are first found at Ipswich, Mass. in the late 1630's and early 1640's. Some think that after the death of "Capt." Wm. in 1632 Ann Elizabeth sailed on to Hingham, Mass. where she married a John Tucker and died 10/8/1675. Even George K. Knowlton in his "Erratta and Addenda" has set forth this theory. Recently, I spent a few hours in our local library and researched the following sources: 1. "History of the Town of Hingham" (Published by the Town, 1893), in Vol. 1, at p. 202 it is stated that one William "Nolton" received a grant of land in 1635. There is no further mention of him in this substantial work. In fact, a William "Norton" became a freeman in 1636. I rather think that the "Nolton" reference was a typographical error. The Genealogical section makes no reference to Nolton/Knowlton, etc., but does contain portions devoted to early families Norton and Tucker. I believe that Ann Tucker who died 10/8/1675 was not Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) Knowlton who allegedly married Capt. Wm. 2. "Ipswich in the Massachusetts Bay Colony", by Thomas Franklin Waters (The Ipswich Historical Society, 1905): In Part I, at p. 490 is to be found Appendix "A" (A Summary of the First Settlers from 1633 to 1649 with the First Year, when the Name occurs for the First Time in the Town Records), at p. 492-----John Knowlton (1639), William Knowlton (1641), and Thomas Knowlton (1642). In Oct., 1639, John Knowlton purchased a lot, with one small dwelling, from William Fuller (Ipswich Town Records). 3. "The Hammatt Papers, Early Inhabitants of Ipswich, Massachusetts, 1633 - 1700", by Abraham Hammatt (Genealogical Pub. Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1980 ---a reprint), at p. 186 we find that John Knowlton became a "commoner" in 1641. From the above, it appears that the Ann Tucker of Hingham may not have been Ann Elizabeth Knowlton and that our Knowlton ancestors first appeared in the "New World" ca. 1638-9. Hope that will lead to further dialogue. Regards, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:43 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith I don't, but would like it if you get it. I have heard that it was Elizabeth Cantize. Do you know for sure the spelling is Orcantiz? Where is she from?-Thanks for any help you can provide.-Dana On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, calfindit@pacbell.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins > > My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. > They died in Ipswich, Ma.. > > Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth > Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed > address. > > I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, > uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your > help is most appreciated.PCK > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have been reading all of the posts regarding the Knowlton's and I'm now all confused. I am a direct descendant of Benjamin Knowlton who married Susanna Dutch. I have concrete proof and I also have the Mayflower society to back me up. Back in the late 1800's my GG-Aunts researched the family line and since they were living in Hamilton Ma the records were very accessible. Benjamin Knowlton is the G-Grandson of Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith. Here is the rest of their connection. Their son William and Elizabeth Balch had a son named John Knowlton who married Bethia Edwards and Benjamin is a product of their union. Benjamin then married Susanna Dutch who was the Granddaugther of Richard More (a pilgrim). [ http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ] So now my question is - are you saying that Capt William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith are not the parents of John, Samuel Robert William, Mary and Thomas? Or, are you saying that William Knowlton is just not the son of this Richard Knowlton and Elizabeth Cantize? I have never had this connection between William and Richard before so I'm curious. If someone could please clarify I would be very appreciative. Until now I thought this was the one line was finished with! :-) Well if it isn't then I guess I am in search of Benjamin's true parents. Thanks for any help! Happy Hunting! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer "Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.ne To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com t> cc: Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann 02/03/2004 05:49 Elizabeth Smith PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Dana, More information--- The matter of the mysterious "Captain" William and his alleged wife, Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) keeps popping up on this list from time to time. No one has ever been able to find a positive link to Capt. Wm. and Ann for the three chaps who are first found at Ipswich, Mass. in the late 1630's and early 1640's. Some think that after the death of "Capt." Wm. in 1632 Ann Elizabeth sailed on to Hingham, Mass. where she married a John Tucker and died 10/8/1675. Even George K. Knowlton in his "Erratta and Addenda" has set forth this theory. Recently, I spent a few hours in our local library and researched the following sources: 1. "History of the Town of Hingham" (Published by the Town, 1893), in Vol. 1, at p. 202 it is stated that one William "Nolton" received a grant of land in 1635. There is no further mention of him in this substantial work. In fact, a William "Norton" became a freeman in 1636. I rather think that the "Nolton" reference was a typographical error. The Genealogical section makes no reference to Nolton/Knowlton, etc., but does contain portions devoted to early families Norton and Tucker. I believe that Ann Tucker who died 10/8/1675 was not Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) Knowlton who allegedly married Capt. Wm. 2. "Ipswich in the Massachusetts Bay Colony", by Thomas Franklin Waters (The Ipswich Historical Society, 1905): In Part I, at p. 490 is to be found Appendix "A" (A Summary of the First Settlers from 1633 to 1649 with the First Year, when the Name occurs for the First Time in the Town Records), at p. 492-----John Knowlton (1639), William Knowlton (1641), and Thomas Knowlton (1642). In Oct., 1639, John Knowlton purchased a lot, with one small dwelling, from William Fuller (Ipswich Town Records). 3. "The Hammatt Papers, Early Inhabitants of Ipswich, Massachusetts, 1633 - 1700", by Abraham Hammatt (Genealogical Pub. Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1980 ---a reprint), at p. 186 we find that John Knowlton became a "commoner" in 1641. From the above, it appears that the Ann Tucker of Hingham may not have been Ann Elizabeth Knowlton and that our Knowlton ancestors first appeared in the "New World" ca. 1638-9. Hope that will lead to further dialogue. Regards, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:43 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith I don't, but would like it if you get it. I have heard that it was Elizabeth Cantize. Do you know for sure the spelling is Orcantiz? Where is she from?-Thanks for any help you can provide.-Dana On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, calfindit@pacbell.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins > > My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. > They died in Ipswich, Ma.. > > Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth > Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed > address. > > I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, > uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your > help is most appreciated.PCK > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dana, More information--- The matter of the mysterious "Captain" William and his alleged wife, Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) keeps popping up on this list from time to time. No one has ever been able to find a positive link to Capt. Wm. and Ann for the three chaps who are first found at Ipswich, Mass. in the late 1630's and early 1640's. Some think that after the death of "Capt." Wm. in 1632 Ann Elizabeth sailed on to Hingham, Mass. where she married a John Tucker and died 10/8/1675. Even George K. Knowlton in his "Erratta and Addenda" has set forth this theory. Recently, I spent a few hours in our local library and researched the following sources: 1. "History of the Town of Hingham" (Published by the Town, 1893), in Vol. 1, at p. 202 it is stated that one William "Nolton" received a grant of land in 1635. There is no further mention of him in this substantial work. In fact, a William "Norton" became a freeman in 1636. I rather think that the "Nolton" reference was a typographical error. The Genealogical section makes no reference to Nolton/Knowlton, etc., but does contain portions devoted to early families Norton and Tucker. I believe that Ann Tucker who died 10/8/1675 was not Ann Elizabeth (Smith/Rice) Knowlton who allegedly married Capt. Wm. 2. "Ipswich in the Massachusetts Bay Colony", by Thomas Franklin Waters (The Ipswich Historical Society, 1905): In Part I, at p. 490 is to be found Appendix "A" (A Summary of the First Settlers from 1633 to 1649 with the First Year, when the Name occurs for the First Time in the Town Records), at p. 492-----John Knowlton (1639), William Knowlton (1641), and Thomas Knowlton (1642). In Oct., 1639, John Knowlton purchased a lot, with one small dwelling, from William Fuller (Ipswich Town Records). 3. "The Hammatt Papers, Early Inhabitants of Ipswich, Massachusetts, 1633 - 1700", by Abraham Hammatt (Genealogical Pub. Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1980 ---a reprint), at p. 186 we find that John Knowlton became a "commoner" in 1641. From the above, it appears that the Ann Tucker of Hingham may not have been Ann Elizabeth Knowlton and that our Knowlton ancestors first appeared in the "New World" ca. 1638-9. Hope that will lead to further dialogue. Regards, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:43 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith I don't, but would like it if you get it. I have heard that it was Elizabeth Cantize. Do you know for sure the spelling is Orcantiz? Where is she from?-Thanks for any help you can provide.-Dana On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, calfindit@pacbell.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins > > My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. > They died in Ipswich, Ma.. > > Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth > Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed > address. > > I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, > uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your > help is most appreciated.PCK > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dana, Have done much research on this alleged link to Capt. William. To date, no connection has been found. I'm sure that Elizabeth Knowlton can chime in on this issue. Clyde Vanderbrouk -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 3:43 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith I don't, but would like it if you get it. I have heard that it was Elizabeth Cantize. Do you know for sure the spelling is Orcantiz? Where is she from?-Thanks for any help you can provide.-Dana On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, calfindit@pacbell.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins > > My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. > They died in Ipswich, Ma.. > > Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth > Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed > address. > > I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, > uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your > help is most appreciated.PCK > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/61.78.121.123.187.190 Message Board Post: Unless there's been a recent breakthrough, there is no evidence linking the Knowltons of Ipswich with Richard Knowlton ("Knowlden") and Elizabeth Cantize in England. Stocking (and others) made the connection because of the similarity in names, with none of the evidence which a serious genealogist would require to make the linkage. I think our current Elizabeth described it the best when she wrote: =========================== Many of us have happily accepted Stocking's account of our origins in England, that is that William Knowlton (1) was the son of Richard and Elizabeth Cantize Knowlton of Kent. In 1977-1979 William A. Knowlton (Bill) hired Debrett Ancestry Research in England to check on the sources of this line. He found them to be probably false because no real connection could be proved and, in fact, Richard and Elizabeth had another son born at the time William was supposed to have been born. Bill has shared his research with me, and I will repeat most of his one-page letter from Jan. 30, 1996. Additions by me are in brackets. ========== Quoting Bill Knowlton ============== Richard and Elizabeth had children, one of whom might have been named William, but Stocking never cited his baptism. The original immigrants to Ipswich, MA, had a mother probably named Ann [or Ann Elizabeth] and a father who might have been named William. A grave was found in Canada that matches the story that William (1) died coming over or after landing, before the mother and four sons migrated to Ipswich, MA. Stocking assumed that the William in #1 above was the same as the one in #2. George H. Knowlton published an Errata because of the many obvious errors in Stocking's original History. George then was working on a definitive history to replace Stocking's but died in the middle of it. His papers are in the New York State Library in Albany, NY [in the Research Libraries Information Network bibliographic database as NYSR88-A311]. Stocking also knew that his joining the two Williams was thin gruel and about 100 years ago sought a small sum from each member of the Knowlton Association [active at the time] to finance another trip to Kent. If he took it, I have never seen the results. Stocking lists four sons for Richard, William being the fourth. But when one looks at the Canterbury records, only the first two [George and Stephen] are listed in records [baptisms]. In fact, the records list another child [John] being born to Richard at the time when William was supposedly born [1584]. The two Williams cannot be the same. William may well have come from the Chiswick area [near London], but Cromwell's men burned those records. We are at a dead end. If anyone has any research to add to this, please chime in; but the LDS Knowlton information has repeated this Stocking research for many decades, so we must not use others' charts and stories. What we need are the original English records or copies thereof. =========================== To add my two-cents: I always thought it strange that the names Richard, George, and Stephen did not repeat in the next Ipswich generation; it is more likely that William's father was named John (or William, Samuel, or Thomas). Also, the St. Dunstan, Canterbury, Kent register that Stocking used, is for a family named Knowlden. Now, I have found Knowlton spelled many ways (Knoulton, Nolton, Nowlton, Nowton, Knowlten, etc.), and the defining letters seem to be *No*t*n. Almost anything else can be different or missing. When the T is missing, I have personally never found that person to be related to our family. In all of Canterbury, Debrett's only once found such a name, Agnes Nolton of Hollingbourne, widow, 1505/06. They also found reference to a Ralph Knowlton, who lived in Herts. and Middlesex, servant of the countess of Bedford, whose 1595 will mentioned other Knowltons named Isabel and William. Bill did not choose to give Debrett's $600 to continue their search. Perhaps someone else would like to sleuth on his/her own. The field is open.

I don't, but would like it if you get it. I have heard that it was Elizabeth Cantize. Do you know for sure the spelling is Orcantiz? Where is she from?-Thanks for any help you can provide.-Dana On Feb 2, 2004, at 10:36 PM, calfindit@pacbell.net wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins > > My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. > They died in Ipswich, Ma.. > > Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth > Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed > address. > > I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, > uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your > help is most appreciated.PCK > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton, Smith, Canty, Orcantiz Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/26.37.40.46.122.1 Message Board Post: Re: Earlier posts of Tod Knowlton and Linda Blevins My direct line is William,b 1614. Any information is appreciated. They died in Ipswich, Ma.. Would you have the linage going back from Richard K.and Elizabeth Orcantiz? I had tried to email Linda Blevins earlier but she changed address. I'm getting the feeling a large family as I have no parents, aunts, uncles, cousins. Now I may have cousins many times removed. Your help is most appreciated.PCK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/282 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information to confirm that Stephen Knowlton, Jr. is the son of Stephen Knowlton, Sr. and Abigail Rowley. Stocking's "Knowltons of England and America" identifies Stephen, Jr. as son of Stephen and ____________ (pg. 51). The Mayflower Society confirms that a Stephen Knowlton and Abigail Rowley were married 21 Dec 1752. Anyone have information showing that the Stephen Knowlton in Stocking’s is the same Knowlton that married Abigail Rowley and that Stephen, Jr. is their son. See generation 6 & 7 below. 1 Capt. William Knowlton 2 William Knowlton 3 Thomas Knowlton 4 Thomas Knowlton 5 Thomas Knowlton 6 Stephen Knowlton, Sr. b: 26 Aug 1730 d: 29 Jan 1814 + Abigail Rowley m: 21 Dec 1752 b: 6 Jun 1734 d: Unknown 7 Stephen Knowlton, Jr. b: 15 Jul 1753 d: 30 May 1830 + Diadema Chubb m: 03 Feb 1780 b: Feb 1759 d: 24 Sep 1856

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/281 Message Board Post: I am looking for the descendents (if any) of HUGH KNOWLTON, born in Essex NY on Nov. 12, 1870; died in 1915. His parents were Moses A (Stocking 3320) and Harriet Hoffnagle Knowlton.

Thanks Patrick ,I know they went to Cinncinati Ohio, and beyond that? I will let you know if I find the locatiion. Nancy Easter

According to IGI, Ephraim Knowlton would have died in 1824 and his wife Jemima nee Farnham in 1804. I have found no record regarding location. It may have been Ashford, Connecticut where they were born and later married. I suggest you check the Family trees published in Roots Web that may lead you to more information. They are a branch from my tree as well; look forward to keeping in touch. Good Luck & Best regards, Patrick Swain / apswain@yahoo.com StoutGma@aol.com wrote: I am still searching for Ephriam b.Oct 3 1773 and his wife Jemima Farnham Knowltons' death place and dates. Any help out there? thanks Nancy Easter ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now

I am still searching for Ephriam b.Oct 3 1773 and his wife Jemima Farnham Knowltons' death place and dates. Any help out there? thanks Nancy Easter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON PROUTY PACKARD ADAMS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/203.206 Message Board Post: Bobbi Jo, Sorry we have left this unanswered so long, but I imagine you have an answer from somewhere else by now. Jonathan is #843 in Stocking's HISTORY AND GENEALOGY OF THE KNOWLTONS, which has many errors and must be used with the ERRATA AND ADDENDA by Geo H Knowlton. Jonathan married twice, first Dolly Prouty and then someone else, perhaps the Elizabeth you mention. However, this Jonathan was born May 28, 1770, and married first in 1790. He probably grew up in North Brookfield, MA, if you want to search records there. Jonathan moved to Canada and was a land speculator. He then moved to Livingston Co., NY. According to Stocking [use with reservations] "In 1811 he returned to Canada to settle up his affairs, and when the War of 1812 broke out he was impressed into the British service. He escaped with his two sons [Erastus #2129, b 1795, and Faxon #2130, b 1797] by night in a boat; and, breaking his way through the ice, reached the American shore and at once enlisted in the U.S. service." p. 157. There is no more about him except to list his children, three more by Dolly: Dorothy, Eunice, and Lina; then by the second wife: Charles, Barnabas #2135, Hannah, and Clarissa. Barnabas was supposed to have perished in the Peshtigo, WI [not MI, per Stocking] fire in 1871, but I checked those records and Knowltons did not appear. About ten years ago I had extensive correspondence with a Phyllis Vranich about her husband's Knowlton ancestors, which she had researched for 20 years at that point. We wrote places, collected records, and did census research, including the Cyrus pension records, etc., and never could PROVE that Barnabus was the son of Jonathan from Massachusetts. Where did you get Jonathan's birth date? Jonathan (843) was the eldest son of Charles Adams Knowlton (377) and Emma Packard. He had seven siblings. I would continue research on this Jonathan in Canada and in NY to see if there are more records and why he named his sons so many interesting names--clues there for sure. I will also share my research with you if you have not collected the same records. Phyllis' husband was descended from Cyrus also.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON, BOWKER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/203.205.1 Message Board Post: Barbara All the messages posted onto this bulletin board are gate- wayed to the Knowlton mailing list, also at rootsweb. We read your message there. Someone replied, but he/she did not post to this bulletin board, so it did not show up here. From: "Charlotte Coates" To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: Finding the Knowlton Family I believe my gr-grandfather was married to a Bowker as his second wife, his first wife was Rebecca. Ira Knowlton & Rebecca had two children in NJ. I would be delighted if I could find some info. I don't think there is a connection here but wanted you to get the message. To subscribe KNOWLTON-L, send a message to KNOWLTON-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command subscribe and nothing else.