Thank you so much for that bit of information! The site I recall from the on-line account, was a bunch of rubble, literally, absolutely nothing special at this point in time. I will check that site out again. I am intrigued to hear this information. But, which came first, the town of Knowlton or the Knowlton family? Sounds a lot like the chicken or the egg. -Dana On Feb 25, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Elizabeth W. Knowlton wrote: > I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. > It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and > spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. > She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people > had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come > to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in > time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons > never owned it. > > Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the > property. The manor takes its name from the (now > defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from > Kent, we probably take our name from the village > also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. > > There was another such village in Dorsetshire > (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons > nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 > English census on line] > > Hope this helps. > > > Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything > super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, > do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 > or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more > reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was > not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in > England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can > check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. > But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who > had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original > occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from > 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton > < > > > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton > it's = it is > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons never owned it. Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the property. The manor takes its name from the (now defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from Kent, we probably take our name from the village also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. There was another such village in Dorsetshire (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 English census on line] Hope this helps. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton < Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is

Dana, There is no documented evidence that we are descended from the alleged "Capt. William". Regards, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:51 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton Manor To Elizabeth Knowlton and any other interested party. FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

To Elizabeth Knowlton and any other interested party. FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton

Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KNOWLTON-D, send a message to KNOWLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. If you subscribe to the single message listserve (rather than the Digest like I do, use an L in the above message rather than a D. Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton, Mueller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/284 Message Board Post: My grandfather, Robert Lee Knowlton, married a Marcia Marie Mueller. Marcia is from the Taylor Ridge area of Illinois. They had eight children, seven of which lived to adulthood. If anyone has any information on either of them, please email me at kimberlyeknowlton@yahoo.com. Kim

Maclark39@aol.com wrote: > Rich > As you know this family is buried in Harmony Grove cemetery Salem, Mass. > Do not know death info for William, but his wife, Lydia F. Odell is the > Frances who died 1906 and is buried in Harmony Grove. > > Death: Knowlton, Frances (Odell) d. Danvers ... Hospital May 28, 1906, res. > Lynn, 66yr, white female, married to ___ Knowlton, born Beverly, dau. of > Samuel Odell, b. Mass. and Lydia Dodge, b. N.H., INformant: Annie S. Lakeman, > buried Harmony Grove cem, Salem May 30, Arterio schlerosis (Organic dementia), > Bronchial pneumonia 4 dy., (1906 Danvers, Vol. 31, pg 512) Mass. Archives > and also listed in Lynn - (1906 Lynn, Vol. 57, pg 443) - did not pull this > one (mac) > - - - - > I presume "Annie S. Lakeman" is their dau. Anna > ***** > Marcia > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Pleasedo not send me any more Knowlton messages. Thank you for all you have sent,but at my age, I will meet them all soon in person! P.Haughton shuie@rivnet.net

That helps solve part of the mystery. I am proprietor of the old Knowlton Lot # 334 in Harmony Grove Cemetery, Salem, MA. I had no idea who the "FRANCES" buried therein was or if male/female. I also had William's wife as Lydia "T" Odell. Now it all makes more sense as Lydia "Frances" Odell. The Cemetery records agree with her dod. Now I can try to find William's dod and burial place. Thanks, Rich -----Original Message----- From: KNOWLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:KNOWLTON-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:08 AM To: KNOWLTON-D@rootsweb.com Subject: KNOWLTON-D Digest V04 #17

Rich As you know this family is buried in Harmony Grove cemetery Salem, Mass. Do not know death info for William, but his wife, Lydia F. Odell is the Frances who died 1906 and is buried in Harmony Grove. Death: Knowlton, Frances (Odell) d. Danvers ... Hospital May 28, 1906, res. Lynn, 66yr, white female, married to ___ Knowlton, born Beverly, dau. of Samuel Odell, b. Mass. and Lydia Dodge, b. N.H., INformant: Annie S. Lakeman, buried Harmony Grove cem, Salem May 30, Arterio schlerosis (Organic dementia), Bronchial pneumonia 4 dy., (1906 Danvers, Vol. 31, pg 512) Mass. Archives and also listed in Lynn - (1906 Lynn, Vol. 57, pg 443) - did not pull this one (mac) - - - - I presume "Annie S. Lakeman" is their dau. Anna ***** Marcia

Does anyone have any info on William A. Knowlton Stocking # 4846 my ggg grandfather ? Info I have. dob? 1842 Salem, MA ? he was 38/1880 census Need dod and burial place. Married Lydia T. O"Dell dob/ Beverly, MA ? she was 41/1880 census. Should be in the Beverly- Salem, MA area Thanks cuz, Rich

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ANDREWS, KNOWLTON, TROWBRIDGE,TUBBS,LANGDON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/283 Message Board Post: I have been trying to find out what happened to him and when. He is the one who married Abigail Ackley. Did they move to Ashford, CT. When? I have not been able to find any death info on either of them. Would appreciate any help. Thanks, Sherry

I agree 100%. I only knew some very minor things about my family but since I have been researching I found loads of information about all branches. I knew my family (both maternal and paternal) had been in this country for at least 400 years but imagine my surprise when I found out there is also Mohican Indian! I also confirmed that my family founded 2 towns. John and William Woodberry (I'm descended from both) founded Beverly, MA and Samuel Woodruff founded Southington, CT. It absolutely boggles my mind and has given me such an inner pride in my family. I am also in the process of putting my papers together for DAR for both my mother and I. Take care and Happy Hunting! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer David Noyes <dbnoyes@comcast. To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com net> cc: Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann 02/05/2004 09:27 Elizabeth Smith PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Kathleen, Irrespective of Cantize, Balch, Elizabeth or Ann...I'm just happy enough to get back to John Knowlton (m. Bethia Edwards); as this began the lineage which makes Thomas Knowlton (b. 18 Jan 1759, and a Revolutionary War veteran) my gggg grandfather and the vehicle for my daughters' admission to the DAR!!! I've only been actively researching my roots for the past half a year, and with nothing more than the web and the county library...I've been amazed at what is available (information-wise) "out there". Two things that I have learned is that your searches should be open ended with no particular goal in sight, and you need to branch out from every single union along the way. You could be VERY surprised at what you find. Regards, David Noyes At 02:21 PM 2/5/2004, Kathleen Prior wrote: >Let me start with grandparents since my parents are a "no brainer". > >This is my maternal grandfathers side of the family so first I obtained his >birth certificate from Hamilton, Essex County, MA. This was easy. His >name was >Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Jr. > >My g-grandparents were Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Sr. and Mabel Preston >Woodberry. I knew when both had died from family records. She died in 1908 >(very young) and he died in 1932. I got his birth certificate from >Hamilton and >I got hers from Beverly, MA. Both certificates listed their parents. This >again was easy. > >My gg-grandparents, John Harrison Knowlton (originally Mears - he was adopted) >and Sarah Ann Knowlton, both from Hamilton, MA. Both births are listed in the >Hamilton Vital Records along with their parents. I am in the process of >transcribing Hamilton's Vital Records pages for John Slaugther's website ( >http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/VitalRecords ). > >My ggg-grandparents, Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton were also >listed in the Vital Records along with their marriage. I also have >pictures of >their tombstones which connects the two as spouses. > >All of these generations were not brain surgery. They lived in the same house >for 6 generations. I have pictures of the family and the house dating back to >the 1800's. This portion of my entire family tree was the most "well" >documented until I reached my gggg-grandparents. > >My gggg-grandparents were the toughest link. I knew they were Edmund >Knowlton, >Jr. and Lydia Patch but I had to prove they married. Their son Ira Patch >Knowlton's (my ggg-grandfather) birth certificate only lists his parents as >Edmund and Lydia Knowlton - no maiden name for her. (I was not >transcribing the >Hamilton Records at the time I was proving this portion of my line - when I >received the Vital Records from John I saw their marriage listed) So I had to >go to Hamilton and hope to find their tombstone and pray that it would >have some >sort of a connection and BINGO! it did. They have a joint tombstone which has >them listed as Edmund Knowlton and Lydia Patch Knowlton with exact birth and >death dates. Once I proved their relationship I was home free. > >The Mayflower Society needed proof of Edmund, Jr. and Lydia's marriage >(which I >got) because they have the previous generations documented and they are as >follows: > >Edmund, Jr's parents were Edmund Knowlton, Sr. and Mary Austin (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Edmund, Sr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Jr. and Susanna Potter (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Benjamin, Jr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Sr. and Susanna Dutch >(Susanna is >the granddaughter of Richard More and this is all documented through the >Mayflower Society) > >The remainder of the line I had from a family tree that my GG-Aunts worked on >back in the late 1800's. I have seen the same line on the internet in many >different trees so I am assuming that it's correct but we know what >happens when >one assumes. > >Benjamin Knowlton's parents were John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards > >John's parents were William Knowlton and Elizabeth Balch > >William's parents were Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith > >I hope this is not too confusing. You can always refer to my website ( >http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ). > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > > Dick/Dena > Iverson > > <norarts@worldnet To: > KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > .att.net> cc: > > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] > Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann > 02/05/2004 12:46 Elizabeth > Smith > PM > > Please respond > to > > KNOWLTON-L > > > > > > > > > >You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I >have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this >line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for >documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your >sources of proof ??????????? > >Regards, >Dena > >Kathleen Prior wrote: > > > > > > >Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I > just want > >to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real > McCoy. Thanks! > > > >Kathy Prior > >Executive Assistant > >Bayer HealthCare > >Technical Operations - North America > >973-254-4621 > >973-408-8122 (Fax) > >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Elizabeth, I will update my records to show a ?? for Elizabeth's last name. This explains why my family records showed a ?? with her last name. I thought Balch had been proved. Thanks for this clarification! Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com <KnowltonEW@compu cc: serve.com> Subject: [KNOWLTON] William II and Elizabeth 02/05/2004 06:54 PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Dear Elizabeth Knowlton, Are we certain that William married Elizabeth Balch? My research conducted 3-4 years ago indicates a ?. Clyde< Sorry it has taken me so long to chime in; I get the list in digest mode and did not see anything until late last night. Yes, the Balch connection was satisfactorily disproved to me several years ago. Savage is apparently wrong. Someone regular on this list--Marcia?--had the data to show William II was not married to a Balch. Kathy, your descent is fine, but we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. I am glad you did not have the garbage stuff in your database. Getting Cantize off the web could be a life work! And then some of the nonsense about our Knowltons living in Knowlton manor. PUL--ease. If we had ever lived there, we would never have needed to go to New England. Thanks for all of you helping newbies with our beginnings in Ipswich. I think it is a wonderful beginning in the new world, back to the 1630s. Most people cannot trace their families anywhere near that far. Frankly, I would just like to get the maiden names of Knowlton wives in the 18th century in Westchester county, NY. Or find out where my adopted paternal grandmother came from! It is a wonderful, never-ending hobby. Elizabeth W. Knowlton ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dena, Sorry it took so long to back to you. We had a death in the family this past weekend so I did not get your e-mail until this morning. First, please let me add (clarify) one thing to the information below regarding the Knowltons. I mentioned John Harrison Knowlton who was adopted. Yes, he was an "adopted" Knowlton but it is his wife, Sarah Ann Knowlton, who carries our Knowlton line. Sarah Ann Knowlton was the daughter of Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton (listed below). In answer to your Bethia Edwards question. No, I have never found the names of her parents. Should I come across them I will forward to you. Thanks. Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer Dick/Dena Iverson <norarts@worldnet To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com .att.net> cc: Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann 02/05/2004 05:07 Elizabeth Smith PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Thanks Kathy for the info., that helps. Have a bit of sortiing of all the data I have gathered. Will probably be in touch later. Dena P.S. Do you know whowere the parents of Bethia Edwards ? Kathleen Prior wrote: > > >Let me start with grandparents since my parents are a "no brainer". > >This is my maternal grandfathers side of the family so first I obtained his >birth certificate from Hamilton, Essex County, MA. This was easy. His name was >Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Jr. > >My g-grandparents were Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Sr. and Mabel Preston >Woodberry. I knew when both had died from family records. She died in 1908 >(very young) and he died in 1932. I got his birth certificate from Hamilton and >I got hers from Beverly, MA. Both certificates listed their parents. This >again was easy. > >My gg-grandparents, John Harrison Knowlton (originally Mears - he was adopted) >and Sarah Ann Knowlton, both from Hamilton, MA. Both births are listed in the >Hamilton Vital Records along with their parents. I am in the process of >transcribing Hamilton's Vital Records pages for John Slaugther's website ( >http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/VitalRecords ). > >My ggg-grandparents, Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton were also >listed in the Vital Records along with their marriage. I also have pictures of >their tombstones which connects the two as spouses. > >All of these generations were not brain surgery. They lived in the same house >for 6 generations. I have pictures of the family and the house dating back to >the 1800's. This portion of my entire family tree was the most "well" >documented until I reached my gggg-grandparents. > >My gggg-grandparents were the toughest link. I knew they were Edmund Knowlton, >Jr. and Lydia Patch but I had to prove they married. Their son Ira Patch >Knowlton's (my ggg-grandfather) birth certificate only lists his parents as >Edmund and Lydia Knowlton - no maiden name for her. (I was not transcribing the >Hamilton Records at the time I was proving this portion of my line - when I >received the Vital Records from John I saw their marriage listed) So I had to >go to Hamilton and hope to find their tombstone and pray that it would have some >sort of a connection and BINGO! it did. They have a joint tombstone which has >them listed as Edmund Knowlton and Lydia Patch Knowlton with exact birth and >death dates. Once I proved their relationship I was home free. > >The Mayflower Society needed proof of Edmund, Jr. and Lydia's marriage (which I >got) because they have the previous generations documented and they are as >follows: > >Edmund, Jr's parents were Edmund Knowlton, Sr. and Mary Austin (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Edmund, Sr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Jr. and Susanna Potter (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Benjamin, Jr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Sr. and Susanna Dutch (Susanna is >the granddaughter of Richard More and this is all documented through the >Mayflower Society) > >The remainder of the line I had from a family tree that my GG-Aunts worked on >back in the late 1800's. I have seen the same line on the internet in many >different trees so I am assuming that it's correct but we know what happens when >one assumes. > >Benjamin Knowlton's parents were John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards > >John's parents were William Knowlton and Elizabeth Balch > >William's parents were Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith > >I hope this is not too confusing. You can always refer to my website ( >http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ). > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > Dick/Dena Iverson > <norarts@worldnet To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > .att.net> cc: > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann > 02/05/2004 12:46 Elizabeth Smith > PM > Please respond to > KNOWLTON-L > > > > > > >You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I >have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this >line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for >documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your >sources of proof ??????????? > >Regards, >Dena > >Kathleen Prior wrote: > > > >>Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want >>to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! >> >>Kathy Prior >>Executive Assistant >>Bayer HealthCare >>Technical Operations - North America >>973-254-4621 >>973-408-8122 (Fax) >>Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

At 09:28 PM 2/7/04, JANICE KNOWLTON wrote: >[snip] > However, "Robert Knowlton of > Dartmouth" is also the man who fought in the Rev. War and removed to Ohio. > During May 1777 he was not busy serving in the war. He enlisted for his > third tour on June 25, 1777. However, in another unusual twist, William > Knowlton of Washington and Monroe Cos., OH who was presumably his son was > born on June 3, 1777, a mere two weeks after he married Rachel Perry. As > luck would have it he was NOT away at war nine months prior to this birth. > However, why would he wait until the last minute to marry Rachel, if she was > pregnant, and why would he go off to war again so soon thereafter. The > birth of William does not appear in Dartmouth, Rochester or any other MA > vital statistics that I have seen. Supposedly he was born in Vermont. [snip] Greetings: I have a remarkably similar situation in my own ancestry, involving a Valley Forge winter patriot. In general, I think it safe to say that wartime is extremely disruptive of the usual rhythms of life, including such things as the timing of courtships, marriages, and childbirth. It has always been that way, and there is little reason to think it will ever change. Here are a few more specific thoughts. They may possibly be of some value. First, is there any indication in the marriage record *where* the nuptials took place? It was not *usual* to record marriages in town records if they occurred elsewhere, but it was by no means *rare* either. Second, it might be instructive to determine the whereabouts of Robert during the time from the likely discovery of the pregnancy until the marriage. Public awareness might begin as late as four or five months on, depending on Rachel's embarrassment and/or naivete -- even later if the family joined in the coverup. It might be that a case could be made for Robert's being unable to attend to making things right, until the last moment. Third, it is possible that Robert "took some convincing". He may even have run off back to the war to avoid an unpleasant domestic situation, conceivably involving the threat of weaponry not in the hands of the British.... Fourth, it might be useful to find out if there is any evidence to suggest that Rachel's family was influential enough to get the marriage record back-dated. Examination of the original, especially of the physical position of the record on the page relative to other datable events, might be useful in this regard. Darrell Darrell A. Martin darrellm@sprynet.com a native Vermonter currently in exile in Illinois http://www.darrell-martin.net/genealogy

----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: [KNOWLTON] fishing again... I guess I am sorta stuck in a quandry. I have a Revolutionary (and War of 1812) Knowlton ancestor, Robert Knowlton (abt 1748-abt 1839), but can't seem to prove his parents. Stocking consistently is inconsistent on sorting out which Robert Knowlton is which, so is of little help, and I don't know where to look for primary source material since he seems to have moved at least a few times, and I am not the least bit familiar with the New England area. I have this one lone line that goes that direction. Ask me a question about Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky and southern Indiana, or better yet, German immigration in the mid 19th century (esp. ships traveling from Bremen to Baltimore with tons of immigrants from the "Kahlgrund" in Bavaria), and I can help you. Massachusetts? Vermont?? New York??? Where's that???? Many of my ancestors and relatives would have referred to them as "D___ Yankees" or worse. So I will again make my plea for anybody who may have information leading to the capture of one Robert Knowlton. Further information follows... Patrick Descendants of Robert KNOWLTON - 7 Feb 2004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- First Generation 1. Robert KNOWLTON was born in 1748. He died in 1839 in Mercer Co., OH. He served in the Revolutionary War. He may be the son of Andrew Knowlton and Abigail Stone, and then again, he may not be. He may be the Robert Knowlton in the 1790 Census of Woodstock, Windsor Co., VT: Knowlton, Robert 1 male over 16, 4 males under 16, 2 females, 7 total people in household He appears in the 1820 Census of Meigs Co., OH with his son Chauncey, aged 45+. He appears in the 1830 Census of Athens Co., OH with his son Daniel, aged 70-80. The following is most of the text of an e-mail that I sent to the Knowlton listserve, 5-23-98: I don't know a lot about the Knowlton family, it's a family that I have only just begun to research, so bear with me as I muddle through this. My great great grandfather was John J. Hays (1837-1901) who lived most of his life in Blackford Co., IN. He was a son of Henry Hays (who died relatively early) and Lucinda Knowlton. Henry and Lucinda were married in Washington Co., OH in 1825. After much searching and sorting, I have come to the conclusion by process of elimination that she is almost certainly the daughter of William Knowlton (1777-1828 bur. Rinard Mills, Monroe Co., OH) and his first wife, Eunice McVay (1783-1824). William Knowlton first appeared in Washington Co., OH before 1810. According to the biographical sketch (1882, Monroe Co., OH) of John Knowlton (1803-1883), William Knowlton was born in Vermont and was a son of Robert Knowlton, who fought in the Rev. War. In nearby Athens and Meigs Co., Oh there was a Robert Knowlton who was a Rev. War vet living with his son Chauncey. This Robert Knowlton died in about 1839 in or around Mercer Co., OH. The children of Chauncey went on to South Bend, IN and Iowa among other places. This family appears in Stocking. Chauncey is #595 and Robert is #284, but there are some problems. If Stocking (or even the addenda) was correct, William 599 Knowlton who married Barbara Ritz would have been the son of Robert 284 Knowlton. This is not very likely since William 599 was born in about 1838, when Robert 284 was a very old man (about 95 years old using Stockings date for his birth). William 599 it turns out is actually the SON of Chauncey 595. I have tracked most of the children of Chauncey down, and with this sole exception, Stocking seems to be accurate to this point. Robert 284 Knowlton, father of Chauncey had a pension from the Rev. War (#S41734). In his pension application, he claims that he enlisted as a private on May 1, 1775 at Bedford, MA under Capt. Thomas Kempton and Col. Danielson. He was discharged in February 1776. He enlisted again into Capt. Noah Hull's company in Col. Aaron Willard's regiment in Spring 1776. And was discharged again (no date given). He enlisted yet a third time at Bedford, MA into Capt. Nathaniel Jarvis' company in Col. Henry Jackson's regiment and served for three years. This matches, for the most part with the records cited in the massive Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors of the Revolutionary War (vol.IX, KAB-LSU) for "Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth" and "Robert Knowlton of Yarmouth (or Dartmouth)", which has much more detail about his movements in the war. Also according to this pension application he served in the War of 1812. He volunteered at age 65 in 1813 as a sharpshooter and served for 14 months in Capt. John Lyte's company, First U. S. Rifle Regiment. During this time he apparently lived in Sackett's Harbor, NY. He first applied for pension in 1818 as a resident of Athens Co., OH. Stocking says this about Robert 284 Knowlton: "Robert was a sailor. He removed from Mechias, Me., to Vermont , and engaged in farming. He served in the Revolutionary War, in Captain Allin's company, Colonel Bradford's regiment, having enlisted for the whole war. He also served in the War of 1812. He married at, or near, Sackett's Harbor, N. Y., and removed west." According to the Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors of the Revolutionary War (vol.IX, KAB-LSU), this matches up with a "Robert Knowlton of Machias". Unless Robert Knowlton was into magic and could be two places at once, this is a different man! The Robert Knowlton who had the children attributed to Robert 284 was not from Machias,. ME. In the 1850 census of Athens Co., OH there appears Daniel Knowlton (presumably Stocking #598) aged 68, born in Vermont. IN the 1850 census of Delaware Co., OH there appears Lydia McGeorge (Stocking 597) age 50 also born in Vermont. Chauncey and Robert Knowlton did not appear in Washington Co., OH until after 1810 (likely 1818). The first two children of Chauncey were born in New York in 1815 and 1817. Robert was in Athens Co., OH in 1818. In 1820 he probably appeared in the census of Meigs Co., OH in the home of Chauncey. Robert Knowlton probably also appeared in the 1790 census of Vermont in Woodstock, Windsor Co, with 4 boys under the age of 16 (William, Chauncey, Daniel and Levi??). Robert 284 Knowlton is listed in Stocking and addenda as being born on May 26, 1743, and son of Andrew 139 Knowlton and Abigail Stone. He is supposed to have married a Perry and a Pratt. According to the marriage records of the town of Rochester, MA, Robert Nolton, of Dartmouth married Rachel Perry of Rochester on May 17, 1777. This is a bit unusual, since there were no other records of Knowlton's in Dartmouth (or Rochester) according to the vital statistics, and there was no records of a birth for Rachel Perry in Rochester (or Dartmouth). However, "Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth" is also the man who fought in the Rev. War and removed to Ohio. During May 1777 he was not busy serving in the war. He enlisted for his third tour on June 25, 1777. However, in another unusual twist, William Knowlton of Washington and Monroe Cos., OH who was presumably his son was born on June 3, 1777, a mere two weeks after he married Rachel Perry. As luck would have it he was NOT away at war nine months prior to this birth. However, why would he wait until the last minute to marry Rachel, if she was pregnant, and why would he go off to war again so soon thereafter. The birth of William does not appear in Dartmouth, Rochester or any other MA vital statistics that I have seen. Supposedly he was born in Vermont. Was the Robert Knowlton who went to Ohio the son of Andrew Knowlton and Abigail Stone, or was the Robert Knowlton who was from Machias, ME their son??? There are other Robert Knowltons in Stocking and Errata that come into question along these same lines. On p. 580, the list of Robert Knowltons who fought in the Rev. is totally identified in the Errata except for Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth. This is likely the man who married Rachel Perry and is most certainly the man who ended up in Ohio. On p. 588, Robert Knowlton, Pension 44485 served in the exact same company as Amos 381 Knowlton. Stocking has a brother Robert 386 for Amos 381, however, he supposedly changed his name to Rogers according to Stocking and Errata. On p. 53 Robert 476 Knowlton is not accounted for as far as descendants are concerned. He was born on February 6, 1748. Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth and Ohio was 70 in 1818, which comes out to 1748 (as opposed to Robert 284 Knowlton who was born in 1743). Abraham 237 Knowlton, uncle of Robert 476, had a son named Amasa. This is a uncommon derivative of Amos. Chauncey, son of Robert of Dartmouth and Ohio, also had a son Amasa. Robert KNOWLTON and Rachel PERRY were married on 17 May 1777 in Rochester, Plymouth Co., MA. Rachel PERRY. Robert KNOWLTON and Rachel PERRY had the following children: +2 i. William KNOWLTON (born on 3 Jun 1777). +3 ii. Daniel KNOWLTON (born in 1782). +4 iii. Chauncey KNOWLTON (born between 1790 and 1794). 5 iv. Levi KNOWLTON. 6 v. Sophia KNOWLTON. 7 vi. Lottie KNOWLTON. +8 vii. Lydia KNOWLTON (born in 1800). Second Generation 2. William KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born on 3 Jun 1777 in Vermont?. He died on 4 Aug 1828 in Washington Co., OH. He was buried in Rinard Mills Cem., Monroe Co., OH. >From the 1810 Census of Washington Co., OH, Newport Township William Knowlton 2 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 3 females under 10, 1 female 26-45 >From the 1820 Census of Washington Co., OH, Ludlow Township, page 224A William Knowlton 2 males under 10, 1 male 16-18, 2 males 18-26, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 2 females 10-16, 2 females 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 person involved in agriculture William KNOWLTON and Eunice MCVAY were married about 1800. Eunice MCVAY (daughter of Benjamin MCVAY and Sarah [ ? Lindley ?] LINN) was born on 30 Mar 1783. She died on 8 Jul 1824 in Washington Co., OH. She was buried in Rinard Mills Cem., Monroe Co., OH. William KNOWLTON and Eunice MCVAY had the following children: +9 i. Daniel KNOWLTON (born about 1800). 10 ii. Jeremiah KNOWLTON was born between 1795 and 1800. 11 iii. Betsy KNOWLTON was born between 1794 and 1804. 12 iv. Daughter KNOWLTON was born between 1794 and 1804. +13 v. John KNOWLTON (born on 19 Oct 1803). +14 vi. Lucinda KNOWLTON (born about 1807). +15 vii. Eunice KNOWLTON (born in 1809). +16 viii. Calvin P. KNOWLTON (born in 1812). +17 ix. William KNOWLTON (born on 10 Feb 1818). 18 x. Luther KNOWLTON was born between 1810 and 1820. 19 xi. Daughter KNOWLTON was born between 1810 and 1820. 20 xii. Robert KNOWLTON was born between 1820 and 1828. William KNOWLTON and Isabel ? were married between 1824 and 1828. Isabel ? was born between 1775 and 1784 in Ohio. 3. Daniel KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born in 1782 in Vermont. He died on 13 Oct 1865 in Athens Co., OH. ROGER O YOUNG Microfilm: 327 FRANKLIN STREET Submission: AF97117323 MARIETTA OH USA 45750 >From the 1820 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 129 Daniel Knolton, 3 males under 10, 1 male 10-16, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 person involved in agriculture >From the 1830 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 193 Daniel Nolton, 2 males under 5, 2 males 5-10, 3 males 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 male 70-80, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1840 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 339 Daniel Knowlton, 3 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 2 males 15-20, 2 males 20-30, 1 male 50-60, 1 female 40-50 >From the 1850 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 174, house #55, family #58 Daniel Knowlton, age 68, farmer, $2000, born in VERMONT Amis " , 23, farmer, OH Humphrey " , 21, " , OH Vinton " , 20, " , OH Levi " , 18, " , OH Daniel KNOWLTON and Ruth HOLDREN were married on 8 Sep 1808 in Washington Co., OH. Ruth HOLDREN was born in 1793. She died on 1 Mar 1846 in Athens Co., OH. Daniel KNOWLTON and Ruth HOLDREN had the following children: +21 i. Coleman KNOWLTON (born in 1810). +22 ii. Stephen KNOWLTON (born in 1814). +23 iii. David KNOWLTON (born about 1816). +24 iv. Daniel KNOWLTON (born in 1819). 25 v. Daughter KNOWLTON was born about 1820. +26 vi. Robert KNOWLTON (born in 1822). +27 vii. Hiram KNOWLTON (born in 1824). 28 viii. Son KNOWLTON was born between 1825 and 1830. He died between 1830 and 1840. +29 ix. Amos KNOWLTON (born in 1827). +30 x. Humphrey L. KNOWLTON (born in 1829). +31 xi. Vinton KNOWLTON (born in 1830). +32 xii. Levi KNOWLTON (born in 1832). 4. Chauncey KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born between 1790 and 1794. He died before 1850. >From the 1820 Census of Meigs Co., OH, Salem Township, page 115A Chauncey Knowlton, 3 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 1 male over 45, 2 females 16-26, 3 persons are involved in agriculture. >From the 1830 Census of Mercer Co., OH, Dublin Township, page 267 Chauncey Knowlton, 3 males under 5, 1 male 5-10, 2 males 10-15, 1 male 30-40, 1 female under 5, 2 females 10-15, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1840 Census of Mercer Co., OH, Black Creek Township, page 83 Chauncey Nolton, 1 male under 5, 2 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 female 15-20, 1 female 20-30, 1 female 40-50 Chauncey KNOWLTON and Annie PHILLIPS were married. Annie PHILLIPS was born between 1794 and 1800. She died before 1850. Chauncey KNOWLTON and Annie PHILLIPS had the following children: +33 i. Amasa KNOWLTON (born in 1815). +34 ii. Levi KNOWLTON (born in 1817). +35 iii. Perry KNOWLTON (born about 1820). +36 iv. Hannah KNOWLTON (born in 1821). +37 v. Rosanna KNOWLTON (born in 1823). +38 vi. Sophronia KNOWLTON (born about 1825). 39 vii. Robert KNOWLTON was born about 1827. +40 viii. Frederick KNOWLTON (born in 1828). +41 ix. Chauncey KNOWLTON (born in 1829). +42 x. Electa KNOWLTON. +43 xi. Lydia KNOWLTON (born in 1834). +44 xii. William KNOWLTON (born in 1838). 8. Lydia KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born in 1800 in Vermont. Lydia KNOWLTON and Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE were married. Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE died before 1850. >From the 1830 Census of Meigs Co., OH, Salem Township, page 255 Samuel P. McGeorge, 1 male under 5, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 30-40, 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1850 Census of Delware Co., OH, Trenton Township, page 161, house 931, family 932 Lydia McGeorge, age 50, born in VT Sylvester, 24, OH Valuska (fem.), 20, OH Elisa, 18, OH Margaret, 15, OH Washington, 12, OH Lydia KNOWLTON and Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE had the following children: 45 i. Sylvester MCGEORGE was born in 1826 in Ohio. 46 ii. Valuska MCGEORGE was born in 1830 in Ohio. 47 iii. Eliza MCGEORGE was born in 1832 in Ohio. 48 iv. Margaret MCGEORGE was born in 1835 in Ohio. 49 v. Washington MCGEORGE was born in 1838 in Ohio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Noyes" <dbnoyes@comcast.net> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith > Kathleen, > > Irrespective of Cantize, Balch, Elizabeth or Ann...I'm just happy enough to > get back to John Knowlton (m. Bethia Edwards); as this began the lineage > which makes Thomas Knowlton (b. 18 Jan 1759, and a Revolutionary War > veteran) my gggg grandfather and the vehicle for my daughters' admission to > the DAR!!! I've only been actively researching my roots for the past half > a year, and with nothing more than the web and the county library...I've > been amazed at what is available (information-wise) "out there". Two > things that I have learned is that your searches should be open ended with > no particular goal in sight, and you need to branch out from every single > union along the way. You could be VERY surprised at what you find. > > > Regards, > > David Noyes ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I guess I am sorta stuck in a quandry. I have a Revolutionary (and War of 1812) Knowlton ancestor, Robert Knowlton (abt 1748-abt 1839), but can't seem to prove his parents. Stocking consistently is inconsistent on sorting out which Robert Knowlton is which, so is of little help, and I don't know where to look for primary source material since he seems to have moved at least a few times, and I am not the least bit familiar with the New England area. I have this one lone line that goes that direction. Ask me a question about Maryland, Virginia, Kentucky and southern Indiana, or better yet, German immigration in the mid 19th century (esp. ships traveling from Bremen to Baltimore with tons of immigrants from the "Kahlgrund" in Bavaria), and I can help you. Massachusetts? Vermont?? New York??? Where's that???? Many of my ancestors and relatives would have referred to them as "D___ Yankees" or worse. So I will again make my plea for anybody who may have information leading to the capture of one Robert Knowlton. Further information follows... Patrick Descendants of Robert KNOWLTON - 7 Feb 2004 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- First Generation 1. Robert KNOWLTON was born in 1748. He died in 1839 in Mercer Co., OH. He served in the Revolutionary War. He may be the son of Andrew Knowlton and Abigail Stone, and then again, he may not be. He may be the Robert Knowlton in the 1790 Census of Woodstock, Windsor Co., VT: Knowlton, Robert 1 male over 16, 4 males under 16, 2 females, 7 total people in household He appears in the 1820 Census of Meigs Co., OH with his son Chauncey, aged 45+. He appears in the 1830 Census of Athens Co., OH with his son Daniel, aged 70-80. The following is most of the text of an e-mail that I sent to the Knowlton listserve, 5-23-98: I don't know a lot about the Knowlton family, it's a family that I have only just begun to research, so bear with me as I muddle through this. My great great grandfather was John J. Hays (1837-1901) who lived most of his life in Blackford Co., IN. He was a son of Henry Hays (who died relatively early) and Lucinda Knowlton. Henry and Lucinda were married in Washington Co., OH in 1825. After much searching and sorting, I have come to the conclusion by process of elimination that she is almost certainly the daughter of William Knowlton (1777-1828 bur. Rinard Mills, Monroe Co., OH) and his first wife, Eunice McVay (1783-1824). William Knowlton first appeared in Washington Co., OH before 1810. According to the biographical sketch (1882, Monroe Co., OH) of John Knowlton (1803-1883), William Knowlton was born in Vermont and was a son of Robert Knowlton, who fought in the Rev. War. In nearby Athens and Meigs Co., Oh there was a Robert Knowlton who was a Rev. War vet living with his son Chauncey. This Robert Knowlton died in about 1839 in or around Mercer Co., OH. The children of Chauncey went on to South Bend, IN and Iowa among other places. This family appears in Stocking. Chauncey is #595 and Robert is #284, but there are some problems. If Stocking (or even the addenda) was correct, William 599 Knowlton who married Barbara Ritz would have been the son of Robert 284 Knowlton. This is not very likely since William 599 was born in about 1838, when Robert 284 was a very old man (about 95 years old using Stockings date for his birth). William 599 it turns out is actually the SON of Chauncey 595. I have tracked most of the children of Chauncey down, and with this sole exception, Stocking seems to be accurate to this point. Robert 284 Knowlton, father of Chauncey had a pension from the Rev. War (#S41734). In his pension application, he claims that he enlisted as a private on May 1, 1775 at Bedford, MA under Capt. Thomas Kempton and Col. Danielson. He was discharged in February 1776. He enlisted again into Capt. Noah Hull's company in Col. Aaron Willard's regiment in Spring 1776. And was discharged again (no date given). He enlisted yet a third time at Bedford, MA into Capt. Nathaniel Jarvis' company in Col. Henry Jackson's regiment and served for three years. This matches, for the most part with the records cited in the massive Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors of the Revolutionary War (vol.IX, KAB-LSU) for "Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth" and "Robert Knowlton of Yarmouth (or Dartmouth)", which has much more detail about his movements in the war. Also according to this pension application he served in the War of 1812. He volunteered at age 65 in 1813 as a sharpshooter and served for 14 months in Capt. John Lyte's company, First U. S. Rifle Regiment. During this time he apparently lived in Sackett's Harbor, NY. He first applied for pension in 1818 as a resident of Athens Co., OH. Stocking says this about Robert 284 Knowlton: "Robert was a sailor. He removed from Mechias, Me., to Vermont , and engaged in farming. He served in the Revolutionary War, in Captain Allin's company, Colonel Bradford's regiment, having enlisted for the whole war. He also served in the War of 1812. He married at, or near, Sackett's Harbor, N. Y., and removed west." According to the Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors of the Revolutionary War (vol.IX, KAB-LSU), this matches up with a "Robert Knowlton of Machias". Unless Robert Knowlton was into magic and could be two places at once, this is a different man! The Robert Knowlton who had the children attributed to Robert 284 was not from Machias,. ME. In the 1850 census of Athens Co., OH there appears Daniel Knowlton (presumably Stocking #598) aged 68, born in Vermont. IN the 1850 census of Delaware Co., OH there appears Lydia McGeorge (Stocking 597) age 50 also born in Vermont. Chauncey and Robert Knowlton did not appear in Washington Co., OH until after 1810 (likely 1818). The first two children of Chauncey were born in New York in 1815 and 1817. Robert was in Athens Co., OH in 1818. In 1820 he probably appeared in the census of Meigs Co., OH in the home of Chauncey. Robert Knowlton probably also appeared in the 1790 census of Vermont in Woodstock, Windsor Co, with 4 boys under the age of 16 (William, Chauncey, Daniel and Levi??). Robert 284 Knowlton is listed in Stocking and addenda as being born on May 26, 1743, and son of Andrew 139 Knowlton and Abigail Stone. He is supposed to have married a Perry and a Pratt. According to the marriage records of the town of Rochester, MA, Robert Nolton, of Dartmouth married Rachel Perry of Rochester on May 17, 1777. This is a bit unusual, since there were no other records of Knowlton's in Dartmouth (or Rochester) according to the vital statistics, and there was no records of a birth for Rachel Perry in Rochester (or Dartmouth). However, "Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth" is also the man who fought in the Rev. War and removed to Ohio. During May 1777 he was not busy serving in the war. He enlisted for his third tour on June 25, 1777. However, in another unusual twist, William Knowlton of Washington and Monroe Cos., OH who was presumably his son was born on June 3, 1777, a mere two weeks after he married Rachel Perry. As luck would have it he was NOT away at war nine months prior to this birth. However, why would he wait until the last minute to marry Rachel, if she was pregnant, and why would he go off to war again so soon thereafter. The birth of William does not appear in Dartmouth, Rochester or any other MA vital statistics that I have seen. Supposedly he was born in Vermont. Was the Robert Knowlton who went to Ohio the son of Andrew Knowlton and Abigail Stone, or was the Robert Knowlton who was from Machias, ME their son??? There are other Robert Knowltons in Stocking and Errata that come into question along these same lines. On p. 580, the list of Robert Knowltons who fought in the Rev. is totally identified in the Errata except for Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth. This is likely the man who married Rachel Perry and is most certainly the man who ended up in Ohio. On p. 588, Robert Knowlton, Pension 44485 served in the exact same company as Amos 381 Knowlton. Stocking has a brother Robert 386 for Amos 381, however, he supposedly changed his name to Rogers according to Stocking and Errata. On p. 53 Robert 476 Knowlton is not accounted for as far as descendants are concerned. He was born on February 6, 1748. Robert Knowlton of Dartmouth and Ohio was 70 in 1818, which comes out to 1748 (as opposed to Robert 284 Knowlton who was born in 1743). Abraham 237 Knowlton, uncle of Robert 476, had a son named Amasa. This is a uncommon derivative of Amos. Chauncey, son of Robert of Dartmouth and Ohio, also had a son Amasa. Robert KNOWLTON and Rachel PERRY were married on 17 May 1777 in Rochester, Plymouth Co., MA. Rachel PERRY. Robert KNOWLTON and Rachel PERRY had the following children: +2 i. William KNOWLTON (born on 3 Jun 1777). +3 ii. Daniel KNOWLTON (born in 1782). +4 iii. Chauncey KNOWLTON (born between 1790 and 1794). 5 iv. Levi KNOWLTON. 6 v. Sophia KNOWLTON. 7 vi. Lottie KNOWLTON. +8 vii. Lydia KNOWLTON (born in 1800). Second Generation 2. William KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born on 3 Jun 1777 in Vermont?. He died on 4 Aug 1828 in Washington Co., OH. He was buried in Rinard Mills Cem., Monroe Co., OH. >From the 1810 Census of Washington Co., OH, Newport Township William Knowlton 2 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 3 females under 10, 1 female 26-45 >From the 1820 Census of Washington Co., OH, Ludlow Township, page 224A William Knowlton 2 males under 10, 1 male 16-18, 2 males 18-26, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 2 females 10-16, 2 females 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 person involved in agriculture William KNOWLTON and Eunice MCVAY were married about 1800. Eunice MCVAY (daughter of Benjamin MCVAY and Sarah [ ? Lindley ?] LINN) was born on 30 Mar 1783. She died on 8 Jul 1824 in Washington Co., OH. She was buried in Rinard Mills Cem., Monroe Co., OH. William KNOWLTON and Eunice MCVAY had the following children: +9 i. Daniel KNOWLTON (born about 1800). 10 ii. Jeremiah KNOWLTON was born between 1795 and 1800. 11 iii. Betsy KNOWLTON was born between 1794 and 1804. 12 iv. Daughter KNOWLTON was born between 1794 and 1804. +13 v. John KNOWLTON (born on 19 Oct 1803). +14 vi. Lucinda KNOWLTON (born about 1807). +15 vii. Eunice KNOWLTON (born in 1809). +16 viii. Calvin P. KNOWLTON (born in 1812). +17 ix. William KNOWLTON (born on 10 Feb 1818). 18 x. Luther KNOWLTON was born between 1810 and 1820. 19 xi. Daughter KNOWLTON was born between 1810 and 1820. 20 xii. Robert KNOWLTON was born between 1820 and 1828. William KNOWLTON and Isabel ? were married between 1824 and 1828. Isabel ? was born between 1775 and 1784 in Ohio. 3. Daniel KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born in 1782 in Vermont. He died on 13 Oct 1865 in Athens Co., OH. ROGER O YOUNG Microfilm: 327 FRANKLIN STREET Submission: AF97117323 MARIETTA OH USA 45750 >From the 1820 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 129 Daniel Knolton, 3 males under 10, 1 male 10-16, 1 male 26-45, 1 female under 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 person involved in agriculture >From the 1830 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 193 Daniel Nolton, 2 males under 5, 2 males 5-10, 3 males 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 male 70-80, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1840 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 339 Daniel Knowlton, 3 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 2 males 15-20, 2 males 20-30, 1 male 50-60, 1 female 40-50 >From the 1850 Census of Athens Co., OH, Lee Township, page 174, house #55, family #58 Daniel Knowlton, age 68, farmer, $2000, born in VERMONT Amis " , 23, farmer, OH Humphrey " , 21, " , OH Vinton " , 20, " , OH Levi " , 18, " , OH Daniel KNOWLTON and Ruth HOLDREN were married on 8 Sep 1808 in Washington Co., OH. Ruth HOLDREN was born in 1793. She died on 1 Mar 1846 in Athens Co., OH. Daniel KNOWLTON and Ruth HOLDREN had the following children: +21 i. Coleman KNOWLTON (born in 1810). +22 ii. Stephen KNOWLTON (born in 1814). +23 iii. David KNOWLTON (born about 1816). +24 iv. Daniel KNOWLTON (born in 1819). 25 v. Daughter KNOWLTON was born about 1820. +26 vi. Robert KNOWLTON (born in 1822). +27 vii. Hiram KNOWLTON (born in 1824). 28 viii. Son KNOWLTON was born between 1825 and 1830. He died between 1830 and 1840. +29 ix. Amos KNOWLTON (born in 1827). +30 x. Humphrey L. KNOWLTON (born in 1829). +31 xi. Vinton KNOWLTON (born in 1830). +32 xii. Levi KNOWLTON (born in 1832). 4. Chauncey KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born between 1790 and 1794. He died before 1850. >From the 1820 Census of Meigs Co., OH, Salem Township, page 115A Chauncey Knowlton, 3 males under 10, 1 male 26-45, 1 male over 45, 2 females 16-26, 3 persons are involved in agriculture. >From the 1830 Census of Mercer Co., OH, Dublin Township, page 267 Chauncey Knowlton, 3 males under 5, 1 male 5-10, 2 males 10-15, 1 male 30-40, 1 female under 5, 2 females 10-15, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1840 Census of Mercer Co., OH, Black Creek Township, page 83 Chauncey Nolton, 1 male under 5, 2 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 female 15-20, 1 female 20-30, 1 female 40-50 Chauncey KNOWLTON and Annie PHILLIPS were married. Annie PHILLIPS was born between 1794 and 1800. She died before 1850. Chauncey KNOWLTON and Annie PHILLIPS had the following children: +33 i. Amasa KNOWLTON (born in 1815). +34 ii. Levi KNOWLTON (born in 1817). +35 iii. Perry KNOWLTON (born about 1820). +36 iv. Hannah KNOWLTON (born in 1821). +37 v. Rosanna KNOWLTON (born in 1823). +38 vi. Sophronia KNOWLTON (born about 1825). 39 vii. Robert KNOWLTON was born about 1827. +40 viii. Frederick KNOWLTON (born in 1828). +41 ix. Chauncey KNOWLTON (born in 1829). +42 x. Electa KNOWLTON. +43 xi. Lydia KNOWLTON (born in 1834). +44 xii. William KNOWLTON (born in 1838). 8. Lydia KNOWLTON (Robert-1) was born in 1800 in Vermont. Lydia KNOWLTON and Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE were married. Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE died before 1850. >From the 1830 Census of Meigs Co., OH, Salem Township, page 255 Samuel P. McGeorge, 1 male under 5, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 30-40, 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 30-40 >From the 1850 Census of Delware Co., OH, Trenton Township, page 161, house 931, family 932 Lydia McGeorge, age 50, born in VT Sylvester, 24, OH Valuska (fem.), 20, OH Elisa, 18, OH Margaret, 15, OH Washington, 12, OH Lydia KNOWLTON and Samuel P. (?) MCGEORGE had the following children: 45 i. Sylvester MCGEORGE was born in 1826 in Ohio. 46 ii. Valuska MCGEORGE was born in 1830 in Ohio. 47 iii. Eliza MCGEORGE was born in 1832 in Ohio. 48 iv. Margaret MCGEORGE was born in 1835 in Ohio. 49 v. Washington MCGEORGE was born in 1838 in Ohio. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Noyes" <dbnoyes@comcast.net> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann Elizabeth Smith > Kathleen, > > Irrespective of Cantize, Balch, Elizabeth or Ann...I'm just happy enough to > get back to John Knowlton (m. Bethia Edwards); as this began the lineage > which makes Thomas Knowlton (b. 18 Jan 1759, and a Revolutionary War > veteran) my gggg grandfather and the vehicle for my daughters' admission to > the DAR!!! I've only been actively researching my roots for the past half > a year, and with nothing more than the web and the county library...I've > been amazed at what is available (information-wise) "out there". Two > things that I have learned is that your searches should be open ended with > no particular goal in sight, and you need to branch out from every single > union along the way. You could be VERY surprised at what you find. > > > Regards, > > David Noyes

Kathleen, Irrespective of Cantize, Balch, Elizabeth or Ann...I'm just happy enough to get back to John Knowlton (m. Bethia Edwards); as this began the lineage which makes Thomas Knowlton (b. 18 Jan 1759, and a Revolutionary War veteran) my gggg grandfather and the vehicle for my daughters' admission to the DAR!!! I've only been actively researching my roots for the past half a year, and with nothing more than the web and the county library...I've been amazed at what is available (information-wise) "out there". Two things that I have learned is that your searches should be open ended with no particular goal in sight, and you need to branch out from every single union along the way. You could be VERY surprised at what you find. Regards, David Noyes At 02:21 PM 2/5/2004, Kathleen Prior wrote: >Let me start with grandparents since my parents are a "no brainer". > >This is my maternal grandfathers side of the family so first I obtained his >birth certificate from Hamilton, Essex County, MA. This was easy. His >name was >Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Jr. > >My g-grandparents were Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Sr. and Mabel Preston >Woodberry. I knew when both had died from family records. She died in 1908 >(very young) and he died in 1932. I got his birth certificate from >Hamilton and >I got hers from Beverly, MA. Both certificates listed their parents. This >again was easy. > >My gg-grandparents, John Harrison Knowlton (originally Mears - he was adopted) >and Sarah Ann Knowlton, both from Hamilton, MA. Both births are listed in the >Hamilton Vital Records along with their parents. I am in the process of >transcribing Hamilton's Vital Records pages for John Slaugther's website ( >http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/VitalRecords ). > >My ggg-grandparents, Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton were also >listed in the Vital Records along with their marriage. I also have >pictures of >their tombstones which connects the two as spouses. > >All of these generations were not brain surgery. They lived in the same house >for 6 generations. I have pictures of the family and the house dating back to >the 1800's. This portion of my entire family tree was the most "well" >documented until I reached my gggg-grandparents. > >My gggg-grandparents were the toughest link. I knew they were Edmund >Knowlton, >Jr. and Lydia Patch but I had to prove they married. Their son Ira Patch >Knowlton's (my ggg-grandfather) birth certificate only lists his parents as >Edmund and Lydia Knowlton - no maiden name for her. (I was not >transcribing the >Hamilton Records at the time I was proving this portion of my line - when I >received the Vital Records from John I saw their marriage listed) So I had to >go to Hamilton and hope to find their tombstone and pray that it would >have some >sort of a connection and BINGO! it did. They have a joint tombstone which has >them listed as Edmund Knowlton and Lydia Patch Knowlton with exact birth and >death dates. Once I proved their relationship I was home free. > >The Mayflower Society needed proof of Edmund, Jr. and Lydia's marriage >(which I >got) because they have the previous generations documented and they are as >follows: > >Edmund, Jr's parents were Edmund Knowlton, Sr. and Mary Austin (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Edmund, Sr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Jr. and Susanna Potter (Mayflower >Society documented) > >Benjamin, Jr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Sr. and Susanna Dutch >(Susanna is >the granddaughter of Richard More and this is all documented through the >Mayflower Society) > >The remainder of the line I had from a family tree that my GG-Aunts worked on >back in the late 1800's. I have seen the same line on the internet in many >different trees so I am assuming that it's correct but we know what >happens when >one assumes. > >Benjamin Knowlton's parents were John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards > >John's parents were William Knowlton and Elizabeth Balch > >William's parents were Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith > >I hope this is not too confusing. You can always refer to my website ( >http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ). > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > > Dick/Dena > Iverson > > <norarts@worldnet To: > KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > .att.net> cc: > > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] > Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann > 02/05/2004 12:46 Elizabeth > Smith > PM > > Please respond > to > > KNOWLTON-L > > > > > > > > > >You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I >have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this >line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for >documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your >sources of proof ??????????? > >Regards, >Dena > >Kathleen Prior wrote: > > > > > > >Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I > just want > >to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real > McCoy. Thanks! > > > >Kathy Prior > >Executive Assistant > >Bayer HealthCare > >Technical Operations - North America > >973-254-4621 > >973-408-8122 (Fax) > >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Dear Elizabeth Knowlton, Are we certain that William married Elizabeth Balch? My research conducted 3-4 years ago indicates a ?. Clyde< Sorry it has taken me so long to chime in; I get the list in digest mode and did not see anything until late last night. Yes, the Balch connection was satisfactorily disproved to me several years ago. Savage is apparently wrong. Someone regular on this list--Marcia?--had the data to show William II was not married to a Balch. Kathy, your descent is fine, but we do not know Elizabeth's maiden name. I am glad you did not have the garbage stuff in your database. Getting Cantize off the web could be a life work! And then some of the nonsense about our Knowltons living in Knowlton manor. PUL--ease. If we had ever lived there, we would never have needed to go to New England. Thanks for all of you helping newbies with our beginnings in Ipswich. I think it is a wonderful beginning in the new world, back to the 1630s. Most people cannot trace their families anywhere near that far. Frankly, I would just like to get the maiden names of Knowlton wives in the 18th century in Westchester county, NY. Or find out where my adopted paternal grandmother came from! It is a wonderful, never-ending hobby. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Let me start with grandparents since my parents are a "no brainer". This is my maternal grandfathers side of the family so first I obtained his birth certificate from Hamilton, Essex County, MA. This was easy. His name was Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Jr. My g-grandparents were Clarence Stuart Knowlton, Sr. and Mabel Preston Woodberry. I knew when both had died from family records. She died in 1908 (very young) and he died in 1932. I got his birth certificate from Hamilton and I got hers from Beverly, MA. Both certificates listed their parents. This again was easy. My gg-grandparents, John Harrison Knowlton (originally Mears - he was adopted) and Sarah Ann Knowlton, both from Hamilton, MA. Both births are listed in the Hamilton Vital Records along with their parents. I am in the process of transcribing Hamilton's Vital Records pages for John Slaugther's website ( http://john-slaughter.rootsweb.com/VitalRecords ). My ggg-grandparents, Ira Patch Knowlton and Esther Lovering Appleton were also listed in the Vital Records along with their marriage. I also have pictures of their tombstones which connects the two as spouses. All of these generations were not brain surgery. They lived in the same house for 6 generations. I have pictures of the family and the house dating back to the 1800's. This portion of my entire family tree was the most "well" documented until I reached my gggg-grandparents. My gggg-grandparents were the toughest link. I knew they were Edmund Knowlton, Jr. and Lydia Patch but I had to prove they married. Their son Ira Patch Knowlton's (my ggg-grandfather) birth certificate only lists his parents as Edmund and Lydia Knowlton - no maiden name for her. (I was not transcribing the Hamilton Records at the time I was proving this portion of my line - when I received the Vital Records from John I saw their marriage listed) So I had to go to Hamilton and hope to find their tombstone and pray that it would have some sort of a connection and BINGO! it did. They have a joint tombstone which has them listed as Edmund Knowlton and Lydia Patch Knowlton with exact birth and death dates. Once I proved their relationship I was home free. The Mayflower Society needed proof of Edmund, Jr. and Lydia's marriage (which I got) because they have the previous generations documented and they are as follows: Edmund, Jr's parents were Edmund Knowlton, Sr. and Mary Austin (Mayflower Society documented) Edmund, Sr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Jr. and Susanna Potter (Mayflower Society documented) Benjamin, Jr's parents were Benjamin Knowlton, Sr. and Susanna Dutch (Susanna is the granddaughter of Richard More and this is all documented through the Mayflower Society) The remainder of the line I had from a family tree that my GG-Aunts worked on back in the late 1800's. I have seen the same line on the internet in many different trees so I am assuming that it's correct but we know what happens when one assumes. Benjamin Knowlton's parents were John Knowlton and Bethia Edwards John's parents were William Knowlton and Elizabeth Balch William's parents were Capt. William Knowlton and Ann Elizabeth Smith I hope this is not too confusing. You can always refer to my website ( http://www.geocities.com/popepa_chick/Knowlton.html ). Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer Dick/Dena Iverson <norarts@worldnet To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com .att.net> cc: Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Re: William Knowlton Born 1584. mar. Ann 02/05/2004 12:46 Elizabeth Smith PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L You mentioned earlier that you had "Concert Proof" on the Knowltons. I have been doing some intense research the past couple of weeks on this line, and finding many areas where there seems to be no sources for documentation. I would b every much interested in know, what are your sources of proof ??????????? Regards, Dena Kathleen Prior wrote: > > >Which 3 Knowlton boys are you referring to who settled in Ipswich? I just want >to make sure my William who married Elizabeth Balch is the real McCoy. Thanks! > >Kathy Prior >Executive Assistant >Bayer HealthCare >Technical Operations - North America >973-254-4621 >973-408-8122 (Fax) >Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237