Unfortunately, some of the provincial governments in Canada have decided that one way to reduce costs at the municipal level is to roll together a group of smaller communities into one larger one. This has happened both with the largest cities (e.g. Toronto and Montreal) as well as with many smaller centres. So Knowlton, Que. has disappeared - as have Bondville, East Hill, Foster, Fulford, Iron Hill, and West Brome - into the aggregation now referred to as Ville de Lac Brome. This foolishness has not been restricted to Quebec - Ontario has made even more of a mess of it. Cheers, Ken M. ========================================== Benetech Inc., Prenatal & Genetic Software 500 - 180 Bloor St. W. Toronto, ON M5S 2V6 Vox: 416.924.8100 Fax: 416.924.6067 http://www.benetech.com -----Original Message----- From: Udmacon@aol.com [mailto:Udmacon@aol.com] Sent: March 1, 2004 8:32 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Field trip to Knowlton, Quebec Does anybody know why Knowlton, Quebec has had a name change; that the town is no longer officially known as "Knowlton?!" Is it a French Quebecois thing? <g> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BILL KNOWLTON: "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM (91.3) Syracuse, WUNY (89.5) Utica, and WJNY (90.9) Watertown NY. On the web: www.wcny.org. Sundays: 9 pm to midnight EST (since 1973) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

-----Original Message----- From: Ken McEvoy <kenm@benetech.com> Sent: Mar 2, 2004 10:22 AM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Renaming of Knowlton, Quebec Unfortunately, some of the provincial governments in Canada have decided that one way to reduce costs at the municipal level is to roll together a group of smaller communities into one larger one. This has happened both with the largest cities (e.g. Toronto and Montreal) as well as with many smaller centres. So Knowlton, Que. has disappeared - as have Bondville, East Hill, Foster, Fulford, Iron Hill, and West Brome - into the aggregation now referred to as Ville de Lac Brome. This foolishness has not been restricted to Quebec - Ontario has made even more of a mess of it. Cheers, Ken M. ========== Hi, Ken: You are quite right. One of my treasured photos is of my grandfather, Derrick Dutton, standing in front of a large highway sign for Dutton, in Ontario. Now I have to explain why the sign existed, because the community doesn't. Darrell Knowlton and Dutton descendant Darrell A. Martin a native Vermonter in exile in Illinois darrellm@sprynet.com

I found the following entry in Beers History of Wyoming County, NY. page 250 Alanson LACY, son of Elnathan and Nancy LACY, was born in Manlius, Onondaga county, September 1st, 1810 and has been a resident of Perry since 1817, and a lefelong farmer. He was married May 29, 1839 to Sarah Ann KNOWLTON, daughter of John and Esther KNOWLTON, of Portage. They have had two children, one of whom is living. James M. LACY, their oldest son, enlisted in Company K. 1st N.Y. mounted rifles, and died in the hospital at Williamsburg, VA February 19th, 1863, at the age of twenty-four. ---- Sarah Ann KNOWLTON was an older sister of James Palmer KNOWLTON, who was married to Mary Frances HART. my great-grandaunt. James and Mary were married in Belvidere, Allegany County, NY. This explains why James and Mary's older son was named Alanson Lacy KNOWLTON. According to the information I've received from my cousin (one of James and Mary's ggg-granddaughters) Esther's maiden name was HICKS and she was born in New York City; however, the 1850 Census in Belfast, Allegany Co., NY lists her as born in Vermont ---- Bill Hart

I looked up Knowlton, Canada and emailed them at the library. They were very helpful but knew very little about it's namesake. Jan >From: kbyron1@aol.com >Reply-To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [KNOWLTON] Field trip to Knowlton, Quebec >Date: 1 Mar 2004 14:36:06 -0700 > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Knowlton >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/286 > >Message Board Post: > >My sister and I are planning a trip to Knowlton , Quebec in order to follow >our line from Massachusetts, up to Canada, and then back to Iowa. We were >wondering if others had searched in Quebec and if any had suggestions about >what records to look for in Canada and how they are accessed. > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Does anybody know why Knowlton, Quebec has had a name change; that the town is no longer officially known as "Knowlton?!" Is it a French Quebecois thing? <g> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BILL KNOWLTON: "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM (91.3) Syracuse, WUNY (89.5) Utica, and WJNY (90.9) Watertown NY. On the web: www.wcny.org. Sundays: 9 pm to midnight EST (since 1973) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Try the Brome County Historical Soc. and the Missiquoi Historical Soc. They have lots of info on the Canadian Knowltons beginning with Luke of Newfane notoriety.They are on the net. Nancy Easter

Everyone: Sorry my long message was not clear enough, the trouble with saying too much. We have been discussing two different places in England. Part 1: Knowlton, Dorset Knowlton Henge or Circles is in Dorset in southwest England. The website about Knowlton Henge is pretty thorough so I will say no more about it. It is clear that many of the Knowltons still living in England have Dorset roots if you type Knowlton into the 1881 English census site [LDS]. Part 2: Knowlton, Kent. The History by Stocking suggests that the Ipswich, MA, USA, Knowltons came from Kent; certainly the Knowlton minister/ and gardener line that is followed in the front of the volume does come from Kent. Also, immigrants to the New England area in the 1600s TENDED to come from southeast England where Kent is located. We do not know we came from Kent. It is an educated guess. The village of Knowlton, Kent, no longer exists. Since the name means town on or by a little knoll or hill, we can assume that the village was named for its location. If you consult a book on English surnames, you will see there are four main sources for our names: location, first name, occupation, and nickname. Examples are Knowlton, Johnson, Smith, and Follett [little fool]. The manor house, never occupied by Knowltons, would have drawn its name from the village also. I got 22,000 hits by typing in Knowlton Kent at google. http://www.accomodata.co.uk/061297.htm is just the first. There is a small picture of the house. This is a commercial site for renting out parts of the manor. So you could go and stay at Knowlton Court, as they are calling it. But that does not alter the fact that our blood line did not own the court, an Elizabethan manor house. We are making ourselves ridiculous, frankly, plastering the web with such assertions. Note that the prices are in POUNDS. Elizabeth W. Knowlton Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Well, I just "visited" the site. It lies in the parish of Woodlands and is in ruin from the 12-16th centuries. It is known as Knowlton Henge although henge, they say, is not the proper term. They have also been called the Knowlton Circles. If you have Sherlock it is easy to find just type in Knowlton Manor and the archaeological site will be referenced. I am not saying that any Knowltons once lived there because it isn't stated- in fact they aren't sure what it was. But, theoretically, even if it was a Knowlton Castle, after 8-900 years and lots of relatives later one can only imagine that not much would be left of it. I haven't been aware of the manor Elizabeth speaks of, where is it if Knowlton (the village) doesn't exist? Thanks for letting me know about the meaning of the name "Knowlton".-Thanks, Dana<

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/287.1 Message Board Post: If you are not familiar with the mailing list below you might want to subscribe (free, easy on and off) and ask others on the list. Many are residents of the area and expert genealogists as well. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CAN/QC-ETANGLO.html You can also click the link to browse the archived messages and see what the list is like.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/287 Message Board Post: My sister and I are planning a trip to Knowlton , Quebec in order to follow our line from Massachusetts, up to Canada, and then back to Iowa. We were wondering if others had searched in Quebec and if any had suggestions about what records to look for in Canada and how they are accessed.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/286 Message Board Post: My sister and I are planning a trip to Knowlton , Quebec in order to follow our line from Massachusetts, up to Canada, and then back to Iowa. We were wondering if others had searched in Quebec and if any had suggestions about what records to look for in Canada and how they are accessed.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/285 Message Board Post: My sister and I are planning a trip to Knowlton , Quebec in order to follow our line from Massachusetts, up to Canada, and then back to Iowa. We were wondering if others had searched in Quebec and if any had suggestions about what records to look for in Canada and how they are accessed.

Thanks for the response. I tried it but it didn't work. Thanks anyway. Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer Udmacon@aol.com To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com 03/01/2004 01:31 cc: PM Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor Please respond to KNOWLTON-L "I was not aware of the fact that there was a website for the Knowlton Manor. Does anyone know what it is? I am just curious. Thanks". I think it's knowlton_either_rich_or_eccentric@org BK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BILL KNOWLTON: "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM (91.3) Syracuse, WUNY (89.5) Utica, and WJNY (90.9) Watertown NY. On the web: www.wcny.org. Sundays: 9 pm to midnight EST (since 1973) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

"I was not aware of the fact that there was a website for the Knowlton Manor. Does anyone know what it is? I am just curious. Thanks". I think it's knowlton_either_rich_or_eccentric@org BK ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BILL KNOWLTON: "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM (91.3) Syracuse, WUNY (89.5) Utica, and WJNY (90.9) Watertown NY. On the web: www.wcny.org. Sundays: 9 pm to midnight EST (since 1973) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Heffington, Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/243.1 Message Board Post: Nancy's mother is Elizabeth Heffington, born about September 22, 1828 and died about February 28, 1857?. Elizabeth is buried in Massac County, Illinois. Benjamin and Elizabeth were married in Calhoun, Illinois, June 8, 1848. Elizabeth and Benjamin had four girls - Sarah, Eliza Jane, Mary, and Nancy. Malinda Mathis was Nancy's step mother.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/269.2.1.1 Message Board Post: I have a Charles B. Knowlton with a sister Agnus Knowlton from somewhere in Wisconsin. Could this be any relation of your George? Charles married Mary Turner in 1871 and was born Jan. 17, 1848.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/269.2.1 Message Board Post: I am not even sure if the Knowlton I am looking for is George or William. A few documents I have found on my great grandmother list him as George William and then another has William George. But thanks for that info anyhow!

FYI Found in HISTORY OF BEDFORD, MIDDLESEX, MA page 252 By A.E. Brown 1891 Sarah E. Monroe b. 1/1846 m. _______Knowlton Stocking page 283 has it as George W #4380 With res Elliot, Maine Found in HISTORY OF GLOUCESTER, CAPE ANN By J J Babson 1972 Nehemiah Knowlton page 595 listed as a representative to the General Court Enjoy Cuz, Rich

I was not aware of the fact that there was a website for the Knowlton Manor. Does anyone know what it is? I am just curious. Thanks. Kathy Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North America 973-254-4621 973-408-8122 (Fax) Kathleen.Prior.B@Bayer "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com <KnowltonEW@compu cc: serve.com> Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor 02/25/2004 06:09 PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons never owned it. Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the property. The manor takes its name from the (now defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from Kent, we probably take our name from the village also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. There was another such village in Dorsetshire (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 English census on line] Hope this helps. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton < Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Well, I just "visited" the site. It lies in the parish of Woodlands and is in ruin from the 12-16th centuries. It is known as Knowlton Henge although henge, they say, is not the proper term. They have also been called the Knowlton Circles. If you have Sherlock it is easy to find just type in Knowlton Manor and the archaeological site will be referenced. I am not saying that any Knowltons once lived there because it isn't stated- in fact they aren't sure what it was. But, theoretically, even if it was a Knowlton Castle, after 8-900 years and lots of relatives later one can only imagine that not much would be left of it. I haven't been aware of the manor Elizabeth speaks of, where is it if Knowlton (the village) doesn't exist? Thanks for letting me know about the meaning of the name "Knowlton".-Thanks, Dana On Feb 25, 2004, at 5:39 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Thanks Elizabeth. We're still fighting this "manorial" ancestry > nonsense! Thought it might be interesting for new researchers to learn > the meaning of "Knowlton". The name comes from the old English, > "cnoll" > (middle English, "knolle"), meaning a small rounded hill or mound and > the old English "tun", meaning an enclosed place, homestead or village; > so Knowlton means town, village or place on the hill.} > Regards, > Clyde Vanderbrouk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth W. Knowlton [mailto:KnowltonEW@compuserve.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:10 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor > > I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. > It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and > spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. > She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people > had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come > to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in > time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons > never owned it. > > Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the > property. The manor takes its name from the (now > defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from > Kent, we probably take our name from the village > also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. > > There was another such village in Dorsetshire > (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons > nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 > English census on line] > > Hope this helps. > > > Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything > super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, > do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 > or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more > reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was > not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in > England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can > check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. > But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who > had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original > occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from > 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton > < > > > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton > it's = it is > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Elizabeth. We're still fighting this "manorial" ancestry nonsense! Thought it might be interesting for new researchers to learn the meaning of "Knowlton". The name comes from the old English, "cnoll" (middle English, "knolle"), meaning a small rounded hill or mound and the old English "tun", meaning an enclosed place, homestead or village; so Knowlton means town, village or place on the hill.} Regards, Clyde Vanderbrouk -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth W. Knowlton [mailto:KnowltonEW@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:10 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KNOWLTON] Knowlton manor I have visited the site. The real one, not just on computer. It is a huge and lovely old house. I was even inside and spoke briefly with the very polite owner/descendant in 1990. She gave me a photocopied hand-out the poor people had developed to cope with all the Knowltons who come to the door. It gives all the history of the line far back in time and shows, what we already know, that Knowltons never owned it. Knowltons have never owned the house/manor or the property. The manor takes its name from the (now defunct) village, Knowlton. If our family comes from Kent, we probably take our name from the village also when we yeomen (and yeowomen?) took surnames. There was another such village in Dorsetshire (has website also), and many of the English Knowltons nowadays have roots in that county. [see 1881 English census on line] Hope this helps. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >FYI just because it is called a "manor" doesn't mean it was anything super special. I will explain: 1) With families having 8-18 children, do you think they would all have a descent piece of the manor after 2 or 3 generations- do the math, 2) Families left England for more reasons than for just money, 3) Have you seen the site?- the manor was not big, was not important, and is currently being excavated in England, I suggest you go to the site and get first hand info. You can check it out on-line- we were are very likely related to the occupants. But don't count your money. I am also related to the Layton Family who had a "castle"- they came over several generations after the original occupants and there is no wealth left (we do have a tax record from 1096- but to no avail).- Dana Jensen - kin to Capt. William Knowlton < Elizabeth W. Knowlton it's = it is ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237