Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Say we begin with Daniel Knowlton (181) who was born in 1717. He married in 1843. < Of course I meant 1743 Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Marcia, I spent some time studying your email last night. The locations do work. Here is my question, however: is there time for the generations of this new family to be born? Say we begin with Daniel Knowlton (181) who was born in 1717. He married in 1843. Most of his listed children have no birthdates; he resided in Framington, MA, so perhaps you can find dates for the children of Daniel and Abigail Almy Knowlton. Several did marry Jennings--good sign. William (395) is listed first, but he cannot be the firstborn as his brother Elias (398) was born 1744; and a brother John, 1745. You are suggesting William has a son John (409) [my book says b Feb 28? 1763]. Stocking lists three children for William and Rachel/Rebecca: Josiah, Kate, and Oliver, b 1770, 1773, and 1779. He could have had John in 1763, but he would have been under 20, in fact probably under 18, not usual for Knowlton men. Any thoughts on this? Maybe much more is wrong in this line in Stocking. Elizabeth Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Now, we have another John, born Feb. 23, 1763 (same date as John #409 above) who was the son of #395 William Knowlton and Rachel (Anderson). This birth is recorded pg. 85 Medway, Mass. vital records (Medway is near Sherborn, etc.) From pg. 46 errata: William and Rachel or Rebecca lived in that part of town of Sherborn which was sent apart as Holliston. (This info. puts John in the correct area to meet and wed Susannah). On 4/27/00 via the Benetech Knowlton Listserve, Linwood Wickett made a very strong argument supporting the suggestion that this John (who married Susannah Jennings) was the son of #395 William and Rachel and NOT of #183 Jonathan and Elizabeth.< Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Clyde: I agree, we must use Stocking as a guide only. I too, have spent years trying to verify with primary sources. Marcia

Yes I notice that all our own Knowlton lineage is not only on Camerons site but on a Kim and Karen Knowlton's too! There are errors, that I know I didn't give them and of course it is woefully incomplete. Peggy

Cameron's database has all that BS about Capt. Wm. and Elizabeth. Guess I'm getting tired having to correct our cousins. Regrettably, Stocking started and has perpetuated this myth. Stocking is only the beginning point; one must do due diligence. I have researched town records to correct my Knowlton (great grandmother) ancestry. Best, Clyde -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth W. Knowlton [mailto:KnowltonEW@compuserve.com] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:30 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KNOWLTON] Ancestry of John Knowlton (Stocking 964) etc Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >On 4/27/00 via the Benetech Knowlton Listserve, Linwood Wickett made a very strong argument supporting the suggestion that this John (who married Susannah Jennings) was the son of #395 William and Rachel and NOT of #183 Jonathan and Elizabeth.< Bless you, Marcia! No wonder I could not find anything in rootsweb. Shall we repost Linwood Wickett's whole email (2000) on the rootsweb list? We don't want my surmises becoming part of someone's genealogy. I am sure neither Linwood nor Benetech would mind. Hope this helps you, John Traynor. See the benefit over the mailing list over the bulletin board Marcia, Cameron's database is http://www.theknowltons.com/ I am sure you have seen it as it comes up whenever one does a Knowlton search in google. I have expressed to him my disagreement with posting the, to me, ridiculous line of yeoman Knowltons connected to Knowlton manor in England. The owners of that house are fully documented for hundreds of years; none were named Knowlton as the house was named for the village (locality). He has merged several sources, including the original Benetech database that I typed up for first three generations in USA. However, it still does not pretend to be even as much info as is in Stocking and does not follow very many of the lines down to the present. How could it? There are about 2500 Knowlton households in the USA right now. Elizabeth W. Knowlton ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >On 4/27/00 via the Benetech Knowlton Listserve, Linwood Wickett made a very strong argument supporting the suggestion that this John (who married Susannah Jennings) was the son of #395 William and Rachel and NOT of #183 Jonathan and Elizabeth.< Bless you, Marcia! No wonder I could not find anything in rootsweb. Shall we repost Linwood Wickett's whole email (2000) on the rootsweb list? We don't want my surmises becoming part of someone's genealogy. I am sure neither Linwood nor Benetech would mind. Hope this helps you, John Traynor. See the benefit over the mailing list over the bulletin board Marcia, Cameron's database is http://www.theknowltons.com/ I am sure you have seen it as it comes up whenever one does a Knowlton search in google. I have expressed to him my disagreement with posting the, to me, ridiculous line of yeoman Knowltons connected to Knowlton manor in England. The owners of that house are fully documented for hundreds of years; none were named Knowlton as the house was named for the village (locality). He has merged several sources, including the original Benetech database that I typed up for first three generations in USA. However, it still does not pretend to be even as much info as is in Stocking and does not follow very many of the lines down to the present. How could it? There are about 2500 Knowlton households in the USA right now. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Replying to Query/boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/297.1 Putting my two cents worth into your discussion: #964 John Knowlton was born Sept 30, 1795, son of John and Susanna Knowlton. Recorded in Dublin. (N.H. State Records - Concord, N.H.) He was of Dublin at m., and married Lois Bemis, also of Dublin, 1817 - 05 - 06 (page 32 "Marriages (Grooms) Index of Dublin, N.H. 1760 - 1790" found at either N.E.H.G.S. or Ct. Soc. of Genealogists") "History of Dublin", pg. 804 says he died 1832 at Sandy Creek, N.H. and Lois was dau. of James and Lois (Walker) Bemis. The Father John is #409 Stocking and said to be the son of #183 Jonathan and Elizabeth. I question that position. John #409 was of Dublin, N.H. at time of marriage. Is there proof that he was born there? Susannah Jennings (dau. of Daniel and Elisabeth, b. Apr. 3, 1761) birth recorded Holliston, Mass. v.r. pg. 69. Their marriage recorded in Holliston, Mass, v.r. pg. 225 J and pg. 32 Grooms Index of Dublin. I have not found either death record. Getting back to the birth of #409 John - Stocking says he is #409 b. Feb. 23, 1763, son of #183 Jonathan and ___ (wife said to be Elizabeth). From pg. 17 Errata: Jonathan and Elizabeth lived in Ipswich, moved to Hopkinton after 1716 where he died 1728. Three children listed: Elizabeth, Jonathan and Daniel. No John listed to this couple in Stocking or Errata. How did we assume John was their son? Do we have a primary source? Errata pg. 46 further notes that #409 John lived in Sherburne, Mass.; removed to Dublin, N.H. Now, we have another John, born Feb. 23, 1763 (same date as John #409 above) who was the son of #395 William Knowlton and Rachel (Anderson). This birth is recorded pg. 85 Medway, Mass. vital records (Medway is near Sherborn, etc.) From pg. 46 errata: William and Rachel or Rebecca lived in that part of town of Sherborn which was sent apart as Holliston. (This info. puts John in the correct area to meet and wed Susannah). On 4/27/00 via the Benetech Knowlton Listserve, Linwood Wickett made a very strong argument supporting the suggestion that this John (who married Susannah Jennings) was the son of #395 William and Rachel and NOT of #183 Jonathan and Elizabeth. Do we have clear evidence that #409 John was son of #183 Jonathan? Also, Elizabeth, do you have the address for Cameron Knowlton site? You mentioned it and I have not seen it yet. Marcia Clark

I missed the posts about Jesse Knowlton and who is looking for him. In our family there is Jesse Knowlton, son of Jonothan Robert Knowlton, but his birth date is in the 1870's. I think the person was looking for someone born much earlier though. Just thought I would pipe in just in case Peggy email KCLind@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/297.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Elizabeth. No, I have not yet purchased a copy of Stocking or the Errata. I believe my Aunt, Sister Dean Traynor RSCJ, PHD (Susan Dean Featherly Knowlton Traynor's daughter) has it, and all of her mother's work (some of which Terry McGinnis has told me she has) and I will be making a trip up to Albany to organize her materials this fall. I am just trying to orient myself before I head up there. I have joined rootsweb, and will keep my e-ears open. Thanks

Hi Peggy, Yes, I am looking for information on Jesse S Knowlton born around 1801 in New York and lived in Jennings, Indiana until about 1850 then moved to Arkansas. There is a possiblity that Stephen Knowlton #1036 and Eunice Swan are his parents but I haven't found proof of that yet. Sheri KCLind@aol.com wrote: I missed the posts about Jesse Knowlton and who is looking for him. In our family there is Jesse Knowlton, son of Jonothan Robert Knowlton, but his birth date is in the 1870's. I think the person was looking for someone born much earlier though. Just thought I would pipe in just in case Peggy email KCLind@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON HAYS HAYES Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/200.1 Message Board Post: Terris, did you ever get any replies to your post in 2000? I noticed it today and was intrigued as there is so much information on the Athens Co, OH, Knowltons; plus Patrick Hays has done a lot with his Knowlton connection in that area. I tried to duplicate what I thought was your census research and got nowhere. I find Knowltons in Union Dist, Tyler Co., WV, but not the ones you list below. Please join the Knowlton mailing list at rootsweb, let us know how you have progressed, and fill us in on where you are finding Carroll and Zuella. Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON, WILT, WITT, MAXWELL, JENNINGS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/297.1 Message Board Post: John, First, if you have longterm interest in Knowltons, would you join the Rootsweb Knowlton mailing list? Others have discussed your problem over the years; I just cannot find the discussion in our archives. People are more likely to answer you if they don't have to go to the message boards to do it. Second, I don't know if you have any of the background, but, briefly, some of us believe this line comes down from Jonathan (54) son of Samuel and Elizabeth Wilt/Witt Knowlton. I suppose you know Stocking's History if you refer to #964. Using Stocking, the Errata, and Hopkinton/Holliston records, a possibility is Jonathan (54) and Elizabeth. >iv. Jonathan (54); born 16 Mar 1677/78;125 married Elizabeth (--?--); died 1728 in Hopkinton, MA, intestate and insolvent.126 He moved after 1716 in Hopkinton, MA.127 He and Elizabeth (--?--) had 3 children.128< There are a couple of Knowlton gene sites; this info from the Cameron Knowlton site. This Jonathan had Jonathan (160B) ca 1704, who married a Mary Maxwell in Holliston. Jonathan (160B) and Mary Maxwell had a Jonathan (183) in Holliston in 1739. And it is this Jonathan (183) I believe to be the father of John (409) in Holliston who married Susannah Jennings. But I have not collected all necessary records to prove this; it is just an idea.

Elizabeth, Just found Jesse Knowlton's marriage listed in the Indiana Marriages to 1850. The marriage shows him as Jesse S NOULTON and the bride as Kitty M DEPUTY on 31 Mar 1825 Jefferson Co., Indiana. Some of the DEPUTY families were neighbors of Eunice KNOWLTON on the 1830 census. Sheri Burk --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now.

Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for inviting me to the list. Here is what I had found on the 1820, 1830 and 1840 census for the Jennings Co., Indiana KNOWLTON's. 1820 Census Name: Stephen Knowlton Exact spelling on census:Stephen Knoulton Location: Jennings Co., Indiana Males between 0 to 10: 1 Males between 10 to 15: 1 Males between (H) 16 to 26: 3 Males between (H) 45 & up: 1 Females between 10 to 15: 1 Females between 26 to 45: 1 Females between 45 & up: 1 1830 Census Name: widow of Stephen Knowlton Exact spelling on census: Eunice Knowlton Location: Montgomery, Jennings Co., Indiana Males between 20 to 30: 2 Females between 20 to 30: 1 Females between 60 to 70: 1 1830 Census Name: Jesse Knowlton Exact spelling on census: Jefse Knowlton Location: Montgomery, Jennings Co., Indiana Males under five: 2 Males between 20 to 30: 1 Females between under five: 1 Females between 20 to 30: 1 1840 Census Name: Jesse Knowlton Exact spelling on census: Jesse S Nolton Location: Jennings Co., Indiana Males between under 5 : 1 Males between 15 to 20: 2 Males between 30 to 40: 1 Females under age 5: 1 Females between 30 and 40: 1 Females between 70 to 80: 1 There is a possiblity that Eunice had moved in with Jesse during the time of the 1840 census but again no proof. There is a "widow" KNOLTON listed in Johnson, Ripley Co., Indiana in the same age bracket. A Jemema KNOWLTON age 82 shows up in the household of Daniel KNOWLTON in the 1850 census of Brown, Ripley, Indiana so the Widow KNOLTON doesn't look like it is Eunice. I would be inclined to think that the son Stephen KNOWLTON listed as administrator of the estate might be Jesse S Knowton except that the date of birth you listed that Stockings had for son Stephen is about nine years off. Jesse was born around 1801. It is impossible for me at this time to rent film from the LDS in my area of Mexico. In fact I just returned from visiting some of the villages in the jungle where I work and this is the first I have been able to get online to get back to you. I do hope to spend the month of October in the states and all this will help me prepare for what I will need to look for while there. Thanks again for all your help. Sheri Burk --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/297 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on ancestry of John Knowlton (Stocking 964) , b. 30 Sept 1795 Dublin NH, d Sandy Creek NY. Specifically, I am seeking to trace John Knowton and his father John (b. Holliston MA 1763 m. Susannah Jennings 1789) back to Ipswich . Any guidance appreciated.

In a message dated 8/24/2004 9:37:14 PM Central Standard Time, KnowltonEW@compuserve.com writes: Ellen, Please excuse if I have answered this already. If it is not you, someone else has been searching this family for quite a while because I recognize IT now from many postings. My latest web searches suggest that it was not Barbara Smith and Benj Knowlton who married in Marshall, IL, but one of their daughters. There is a Clarke county history on line that states this. Or do you have a marriage record? Have you looked for Barbara's divorce record in IL? Have you found ANY of the family before 1880? I notice that Barbara's mother lived a long time and has another name than Smith--looks like Sopha Echols on the 1900. Have you traced her also? Might give you some clues. On the 1880 the daughters are Susan, Jessie, and Florence. Hattie has already married? Divorce was so serious then that Benjamin must have been a real cad--maybe lied about his background or even his name. I assume you have collected 1930, 1920, 1910, etc censuses on mother and the girls plus all marriage and death records, church records, city directories, obituaries, etc. Something in Marshall will lead you back to 1870. Hello! Yes, I do actually have a marriage record for Benjamin Knowlton and "Barbary Smith" dated 3 September 1858 in Clark County, as well as a marriage record for their daughter (my g-grandmother) Susan Knowlton and Louis Korn from 1883. I found a quote in a book saying that Hattie married Ivan G. Barlow in 1879, also in Clark Co. Here it stated that her father, Benjamin Knowlton, was from Massachussetts. On Barbara's death certificate, it said her parents were Alfred Smith and Mary "Owenslager" (this information was provided by Jessie Knowlton, who never married). However, on the 1900 census, as well in a newspaper announcement, her mother was listed as Sophia Eckel. I have found the will of Henry Eckel leaving all his possessions to his wife "Sophy" but there is no mention of any children. I did find a Henry and Sophia Eckel in the 1870 and 1860 Clark Co. censuses with children listed as Bernhart and Anna M. (or Emma). According to the 1900 census, Barbara and Sophia immigrated from Germany in 1850. I did find Benjamin and Barbara Knowlton in the 1860 census with Hattie, but that is the only definite record I have of him in a census. Other than that, I have found no further mention of Alfred and Mary Smith, Benjamin Knowlton or Louis Korn. In 1900, Barbara was living in Marshall, IL with her mother, Sophia, and Susan's sons, Ray and Ben. In 1890, Susan was living in Terre Haute but her husband was no place to be found. I frequently found her under her maiden name. Unfortunately, when I went to Marshall IL a couple of years ago, the divorce records were unavailable. I did find a Benjamin Knowlton in Lake County, IL in 1870, but I don't know if he is mine. I found Louis Korn and his parents in 1860 in St. Louis, MO and in 1880 in Marshall, IL. but haven't found them in any other census. These Korn and Knowlton men are very elusive! I am really hoping to find where Benjamin Knowlton came from and where he disappeared to. I don't know where he was living between his birth (about 1836) and when he appeared in Marshall in 1858. I guess I am just unsure of how to continue with him since I have no idea who is family was. *sigh* I appreciate your help and suggestions! Ellen

Hey, Sheri, welcome to the list. Right before I fell asleep last night, I realized that the Stephen and Eunice in Jennings Co., IN, are Stephen (1036) and Eunice Swan who moved from Stonington, CT, to Berne, NY, where all their children were born, "and thence to Indiana in 1818." The problem is Stocking does not list a child Jesse. Joshua, 1797 Ephraim, 1800 Stephen, 1810 Rensellaer, 1811 Schuyler d young and three girls between 1800 and 1810. And would you believe, Loydean Allen, wife of Bill Allen [Jared Knowlton] of this list, just mailed me a sheet from THE HOOSIER JOURNAL of Jennings Co Probate Records, Stephen Knollton, 17 Mar 1828. It sounds as if son Stephen were the administrator of the estate and mentions both Eunice and Ephraim as buyers at the sale. I just realized I could look at the 1820 census myself, although not the 1830. There are three boys aged 16-26, Joshua, Ephraim, and ? Looking back at 1810, in NY, Stephen has 3 boys under ten in his household and 2 10-16 (one could be a hired boy). This still leaves plenty of room for Jesse. But it is not proof of course. Did you find a marriage record for Jesse? Look for church records in the area (I mean in the LDS catalog, whether or not you can order them right now)? Patrick Hays on this list has done some Indiana work and may be able to advise you. Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Sheri, Would you go ahead and subscribe to the Knowlton listserve/mailing list on rootsweb.com Then you will have the instant advantage of many Knowlton researchers, and we won't have to come on line to answer you. There are about 50 references to Stephen Knowltons in the Stocking History of the Knowltons, plus I have three alone in my family from NY also. Since I do not have on line access to the 1830 and 1820 censuses in Jennings Co., would you send me an email (click on my name in this message above, next to Author, and you will see the address) and type out the names of heads of households about ten names before and after the Knowltons. I know this is a pain, but I think I could use it to trace your people back to NY. The other option is to rent film about Jennings Co, IN, from LDS. Did you find death a death record or an obituary for William Knowlton? In what country are you living? I have found the family in Llano Co and Edwards Co, TX. It is hard when they keep moving on that way. ______________< Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Whilst doing other things, and courtesy of some very helpful people with the Delaware County Genealogical Society (OH), I came upon Charles H KNOWLTON 1894-1967(Stocking 7384) and his wife Gretchen EBERT 1894-1976, buried in Greenlawn. Charles H was son of DR William Waldo KNOWLTON (S. 6931) b. 1871 in Camden, NJ and married to Mary HENDRICKS in 1893. Neither of these two appears as interred in the Greenlawn plot which is shown as owed by "DAWSON & KNOWLTON" DR William was the son of Charles Harrison KNOWLTON (S. 4881) b. 1838. A very quick and dirty flip through Stocking & Errata seems to lead back to Daniel (S. 67) b.1688. This is presented as a matter of interest only. I have no known connection to these people subsequent to Daniel, who himself --- in my records --- rather dangles there suspended in mid air as to his parentage. There are a few more details which I will be glad to share. But, I have had no recourse to any of the censuses prior to Charles' death in 1967. The line may well have died out. carlisle knowlton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/293.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sheri, Would you go ahead and subscribe to the Knowlton listserve/mailing list on rootsweb.com Then you will have the instant advantage of many Knowlton researchers, and we won't have to come on line to answer you. There are about 50 references to Stephen Knowltons in the Stocking History of the Knowltons, plus I have three alone in my family from NY also. Since I do not have on line access to the 1830 and 1820 censuses in Jennings Co., would you send me an email (click on my name in this message above, next to Author, and you will see the address) and type out the names of heads of households about ten names before and after the Knowltons. I know this is a pain, but I think I could use it to trace your people back to NY. The other option is to rent film about Jennings Co, IN, from LDS. Did you find death a death record or an obituary for William Knowlton? In what country are you living? I have found the family in Llano Co and Edwards Co, TX. It is hard when they keep moving on that way.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON, SMITH, ECHOLS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/296.1 Message Board Post: Ellen, Please excuse if I have answered this already. If it is not you, someone else has been searching this family for quite a while because I recognize IT now from many postings. My latest web searches suggest that it was not Barbara Smith and Benj Knowlton who married in Marshall, IL, but one of their daughters. There is a Clarke county history on line that states this. Or do you have a marriage record? Have you looked for Barbara's divorce record in IL? Have you found ANY of the family before 1880? I notice that Barbara's mother lived a long time and has another name than Smith--looks like Sopha Echols on the 1900. Have you traced her also? Might give you some clues. On the 1880 the daughters are Susan, Jessie, and Florence. Hattie has already married? Divorce was so serious then that Benjamin must have been a real cad--maybe lied about his background or even his name. I assume you have collected 1930, 1920, 1910, etc censuses on mother and the girls plus all marriage and death records, church records, city directories, obituaries, etc. Something in Marshall will lead you back to 1870.