Dear Darrell (and Steve); I really had put some thought behind my statement. So far the Winthrop Fleet arrivals are all on my mother's side, my dad's family is a little more illusive, but I'm getting there! People tended to settle with groups they knew, or were kin with, then as our country added more people, they spread out a bit, but still kept many of those ties. Besides they had zillions of children (another mathematically based term) who had zillions of children so now we are all cousins! Nice to "meet" another cousin!- nice humor to end the day, thanks! -Dana On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Darrell Martin wrote: > At 05:55 PM 11/10/04, dana jensen wrote: >> Dear Steve; >> >> I think we are ALL cousins. I have come to the conclusion that anyone >> who's relatives arrived with the Winthrop Fleet (and I have at least >> 10), means we are no doubt related somehow! >> Good luck with your search, cousin! >> >> -Dana > > Hi: > > It might sound like a joke, but your conclusion is actually a near > mathematical certainty for any two people who both have more than two > or three Great Migration ancestors in separate lines. > > Darrell > > > Darrell A. Martin darrellm@sprynet.com > a native Vermonter currently in exile in Illinois > http://www.darrell-martin.net/genealogy > > > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Dear Steve; I think we are ALL cousins. I have come to the conclusion that anyone who's relatives arrived with the Winthrop Fleet (and I have at least 10), means we are no doubt related somehow! Good luck with your search, cousin! -Dana On Nov 10, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Sschifani@aol.com wrote: > Ah ok so we are cousins then. Steve. > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Ah ok so we are cousins then. Steve.

I wish I could help but I'm descended from Samuel's brother, John Knowlton who married Bethia Edwards. Kathleen A. Prior Executive Assistant Bayer HealthCare Technical Operations - North Americas (973) 254-4621 (office) (973) 408-8122 (fax) Sschifani@aol.com To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com 11/10/2004 07:47 cc: AM Subject: [KNOWLTON] Question Please respond to KNOWLTON-L Posed a question 3 days ago to this list Abt John Knowlton son of Samuel Knowlton and Elizabeth Witt no response do i need to add more info. Sincerly. Steve. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Steve, Have you tried Rootsweb Worldconnect. An Andrew Knowlton list John and his children with some notes. No sources are listed. Don't know how valid the information is but you could contact Andrew. You can find this info at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1270818&id=I155 Sheri Burk Sschifani@aol.com wrote: Posed a question 3 days ago to this list Abt John Knowlton son of Samuel Knowlton and Elizabeth Witt no response do i need to add more info. Sincerly. Steve. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

Posed a question 3 days ago to this list Abt John Knowlton son of Samuel Knowlton and Elizabeth Witt no response do i need to add more info. Sincerly. Steve.

Thanks to everyone including Dana, and Clyde for all the most interesting information re the above. I am most graeful. Joan Borrowscale, Liverpool UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanderbrouk" <rpckvv@swbell.net> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > Dana, > Many thanks. Again, we just don't know. Regards, Clyde > The Essex Antiquarian reports this will for Margery Knowlton: > > ffebruary the 20th:1653 > This is to Certify that I Margery Knoulton widdow do make my brother > Thomas Knoulton Executor to me & Assigne in my stead to fulfill my > husbands will in my Roome & also for my selfe to giue to my Children > according to our wills, for my household goods which are at my > disposeing I doe giue equally to be deuided to my 3 children John > Elisabeth and Abraham, onely I giue my great Byble to John, & all my > weareing parrell to Elisabeth & a Iron pott with a bed tike that is hers > & 20s that is Johns and 2 Candlesticks that are Abrahams. And I make mr > Tredwell & my brother Wilson my overseers. Also Abraham is to haue the > yearne & cloth to make his two shifts & to haue a new hatt. These 3 > interlinews were made before she set her hand. the marke of Margery > Knoulton > > > [In the margin of the record, midway is written: "These are beside the > Diuision."] pued in Court held at Ipswich the 28th (1) 1654 by the oaths > of Theophilus Wilson Elisabeth Wilson and mary Tredwell. p. me Robert > Lord Cleric. > > [Notice how she refers to her brother-in-law, Thomas Knowlton, as > "brother". > > Savage on Theophilus Wilson: > "THEOPHILUS, Ipswich 1636, had perhaps d. Seaborn, b. on his passage, > freem. 13 Mar. 1639, was constable for long time, and prison-keep. had > w. Eliz. in 1654, wh. d. 10 Jan. 1681; but she may not have been mo. of > all, or even any of the ch. He d. 29 July 1689, aged 88, leav. S. > Thomas, s.-in-law John Pindar, and David Fiske, and gr.ch. Eliz. Lovell, > Eliz. Russell, and Thomas Pindar." > > The Will of Jane Kenning: > Vol. I, p 165 of the Probate Records of Essex County, MA; under the > heading of: Estate of Jane Kenning of Ipswich: > "The 14th of 12th mth 1653. This is to certify that I Jane Kenning > being in perfect memory do make my two sisters Elizabeth Wilson and > Margery Knowlton to be my executrixes........" > > "John Knowlton I give twenty pounds; & to the rest of my sisters > children ten pounds a peece Elisabeth Knowlton Elisabeth Wilson Seaborne > > Wilson, & Abraham Knowlton, And to my brother Wilsons sone Thomas, > three pounds, & the rest for my mothers use during her life......" [I > have tried to be meticulous about punctuation & capitals here.] > > Witness: Mary Tredwell, Thomas Knowlton. > Proved Mar. 28, 1654 by Thomas Knowlton and Mary wife of Thomas > Tredwell. > > Copy of will, Ipswich Deeds, vol. 1, leaf 140. > > There are several ways the above combination of names could be applied, > especially if one were to use the term "brother" or "sister" for > "brother-in-law" or "sister-in-law". One of those possibilities is that > Jane Kenning, Theophilus Wilson, and Margery Knowlton might be all > Wilsons and siblings. But, that isn't the only possibility. It is also > possible that Jane, Margery, and Theophilus' wife, Elizabeth were > sisters, with a completely different name. > > It's also interesting the Tredwells are witnesses to both wills, but > named in either. Torrey says the wife of Thomas Treadwell was Mary > Taylor. > > I have presently entered the above set of names in my database as: > > > Descendants of Possible Siblings Wilson > > 1 Possible Siblings Wilson 1580 - > .............. 2 Theophilus Wilson 1601 - 1689 > ............................... 3 Thomas Wilson 1634 - 1703 > ................................... +Jane Swan 1635 - 1709 > .................. +Elizabeth 1610 - 1681 > .............. 2 Margery [Wilson?] 1614 - 1655 > .................. +John Knowlton 1610 - 1653 > ............................... 3 John Knowlton 1633 - 1684 > ................................... +Deborah Grant 1637 - 1666 > ............................... *2nd Wife of John Knowlton: > ................................... +Sarah 1635 - 1679 > ............................... 3 Abraham Knowlton 1635 - 1688 > ............................... 3 Elizabeth Knowlton 1639 - 1688 > .............. 2 [Wilson?] 1620 - > ............................... 3 Elizabeth Wilson 1654 - > ............................... 3 Seaborn Wilson 1655 - > ................................... +David Fiske 1655 - > .............. 2 Jane [Wilson?] 1620 - 1653 > .................. +Kenning 1620 - > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:41 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > > I was just investigating more on-line and "discovered" a site that has > the transcription of the wills of John Knowlton and wife Marjery. From > the information, it appears her brother's name is Theopolis Wilson. > I don't know where this will lead. > The site is: home.att.net/~geneajan/JKnowltonWill.html > > I will be interested to hear what anyone thinks about that. Although it > is probably not news to some of you. > > Dana > On Nov 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > >> Dana, >> Yes, it was Marjery. I have checked all known ship records (at that >> time records were "hit or miss"). It is doubtful that emigrants at >> that >> time moved from Barbados to New England. Although possible, to my >> knowledge (after extensive research), no records exist. All we know > is >> that these people were part of "The Great Migration". Some things > will >> never be known. I have come to accept this fact after many years of >> research. >> Clyde >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:51 PM >> To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons >> >> Thanks for your reply, Clyde. >> >> Is her name really spelled "Marjery" I thought it was "Marjory". Has >> anyone checked ships leaving England, but arriving in Canada? Some >> research has indicated settlers moving through the Barbados and then >> into America. What about that possibility? I guess it is definitive >> that her last name was Wilson. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Dana >> On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: >> >>> Dana, >>> Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For >>> that >>> matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year >> of >>> their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of >>> death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. >>> Clyde >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM >>> To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons >>> >>> Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory >>> Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with >>> John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died > the >>> same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Dana Jensen >>> On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: >>> >>>> Joan wrote: >>>> >>>> Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from >>>> UK ??? >>>> >>>> The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, >> William, >>>> and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, >>>> Massachusetts ca. 1640. >>>> Regards, >>>> Clyde >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. 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Am direct descendant of John born abt 1673 son of Samuel Knowlton, and Johns Son Thomas Knowlton who married Amy Chase does anyone know who this Johns Wife was ? Thanks Steve.

Dana, Many thanks. Again, we just don't know. Regards, Clyde The Essex Antiquarian reports this will for Margery Knowlton: ffebruary the 20th:1653 This is to Certify that I Margery Knoulton widdow do make my brother Thomas Knoulton Executor to me & Assigne in my stead to fulfill my husbands will in my Roome & also for my selfe to giue to my Children according to our wills, for my household goods which are at my disposeing I doe giue equally to be deuided to my 3 children John Elisabeth and Abraham, onely I giue my great Byble to John, & all my weareing parrell to Elisabeth & a Iron pott with a bed tike that is hers & 20s that is Johns and 2 Candlesticks that are Abrahams. And I make mr Tredwell & my brother Wilson my overseers. Also Abraham is to haue the yearne & cloth to make his two shifts & to haue a new hatt. These 3 interlinews were made before she set her hand. the marke of Margery Knoulton [In the margin of the record, midway is written: "These are beside the Diuision."] pued in Court held at Ipswich the 28th (1) 1654 by the oaths of Theophilus Wilson Elisabeth Wilson and mary Tredwell. p. me Robert Lord Cleric. [Notice how she refers to her brother-in-law, Thomas Knowlton, as "brother". Savage on Theophilus Wilson: "THEOPHILUS, Ipswich 1636, had perhaps d. Seaborn, b. on his passage, freem. 13 Mar. 1639, was constable for long time, and prison-keep. had w. Eliz. in 1654, wh. d. 10 Jan. 1681; but she may not have been mo. of all, or even any of the ch. He d. 29 July 1689, aged 88, leav. S. Thomas, s.-in-law John Pindar, and David Fiske, and gr.ch. Eliz. Lovell, Eliz. Russell, and Thomas Pindar." The Will of Jane Kenning: Vol. I, p 165 of the Probate Records of Essex County, MA; under the heading of: Estate of Jane Kenning of Ipswich: "The 14th of 12th mth 1653. This is to certify that I Jane Kenning being in perfect memory do make my two sisters Elizabeth Wilson and Margery Knowlton to be my executrixes........" "John Knowlton I give twenty pounds; & to the rest of my sisters children ten pounds a peece Elisabeth Knowlton Elisabeth Wilson Seaborne Wilson, & Abraham Knowlton, And to my brother Wilsons sone Thomas, three pounds, & the rest for my mothers use during her life......" [I have tried to be meticulous about punctuation & capitals here.] Witness: Mary Tredwell, Thomas Knowlton. Proved Mar. 28, 1654 by Thomas Knowlton and Mary wife of Thomas Tredwell. Copy of will, Ipswich Deeds, vol. 1, leaf 140. There are several ways the above combination of names could be applied, especially if one were to use the term "brother" or "sister" for "brother-in-law" or "sister-in-law". One of those possibilities is that Jane Kenning, Theophilus Wilson, and Margery Knowlton might be all Wilsons and siblings. But, that isn't the only possibility. It is also possible that Jane, Margery, and Theophilus' wife, Elizabeth were sisters, with a completely different name. It's also interesting the Tredwells are witnesses to both wills, but named in either. Torrey says the wife of Thomas Treadwell was Mary Taylor. I have presently entered the above set of names in my database as: Descendants of Possible Siblings Wilson 1 Possible Siblings Wilson 1580 - .............. 2 Theophilus Wilson 1601 - 1689 ............................... 3 Thomas Wilson 1634 - 1703 ................................... +Jane Swan 1635 - 1709 .................. +Elizabeth 1610 - 1681 .............. 2 Margery [Wilson?] 1614 - 1655 .................. +John Knowlton 1610 - 1653 ............................... 3 John Knowlton 1633 - 1684 ................................... +Deborah Grant 1637 - 1666 ............................... *2nd Wife of John Knowlton: ................................... +Sarah 1635 - 1679 ............................... 3 Abraham Knowlton 1635 - 1688 ............................... 3 Elizabeth Knowlton 1639 - 1688 .............. 2 [Wilson?] 1620 - ............................... 3 Elizabeth Wilson 1654 - ............................... 3 Seaborn Wilson 1655 - ................................... +David Fiske 1655 - .............. 2 Jane [Wilson?] 1620 - 1653 .................. +Kenning 1620 - -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:41 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons I was just investigating more on-line and "discovered" a site that has the transcription of the wills of John Knowlton and wife Marjery. From the information, it appears her brother's name is Theopolis Wilson. I don't know where this will lead. The site is: home.att.net/~geneajan/JKnowltonWill.html I will be interested to hear what anyone thinks about that. Although it is probably not news to some of you. Dana On Nov 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Dana, > Yes, it was Marjery. I have checked all known ship records (at that > time records were "hit or miss"). It is doubtful that emigrants at > that > time moved from Barbados to New England. Although possible, to my > knowledge (after extensive research), no records exist. All we know is > that these people were part of "The Great Migration". Some things will > never be known. I have come to accept this fact after many years of > research. > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:51 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > > Thanks for your reply, Clyde. > > Is her name really spelled "Marjery" I thought it was "Marjory". Has > anyone checked ships leaving England, but arriving in Canada? Some > research has indicated settlers moving through the Barbados and then > into America. What about that possibility? I guess it is definitive > that her last name was Wilson. > > Thank you! > > Dana > On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > >> Dana, >> Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For >> that >> matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year > of >> their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of >> death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. >> Clyde >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM >> To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons >> >> Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory >> Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with >> John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the >> same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Dana Jensen >> On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: >> >>> Joan wrote: >>> >>> Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from >>> UK ??? >>> >>> The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, > William, >>> and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, >>> Massachusetts ca. 1640. >>> Regards, >>> Clyde >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. 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Dana, Yes, it was Marjery. I have checked all known ship records (at that time records were "hit or miss"). It is doubtful that emigrants at that time moved from Barbados to New England. Although possible, to my knowledge (after extensive research), no records exist. All we know is that these people were part of "The Great Migration". Some things will never be known. I have come to accept this fact after many years of research. Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:51 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons Thanks for your reply, Clyde. Is her name really spelled "Marjery" I thought it was "Marjory". Has anyone checked ships leaving England, but arriving in Canada? Some research has indicated settlers moving through the Barbados and then into America. What about that possibility? I guess it is definitive that her last name was Wilson. Thank you! Dana On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Dana, > Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For > that > matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year of > their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of > death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > > Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory > Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with > John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the > same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? > Thanks for any help. > > Dana Jensen > On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > >> Joan wrote: >> >> Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from >> UK ??? >> >> The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, William, >> and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, >> Massachusetts ca. 1640. >> Regards, >> Clyde >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > ============================== Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx

I was just investigating more on-line and "discovered" a site that has the transcription of the wills of John Knowlton and wife Marjery. From the information, it appears her brother's name is Theopolis Wilson. I don't know where this will lead. The site is: home.att.net/~geneajan/JKnowltonWill.html I will be interested to hear what anyone thinks about that. Although it is probably not news to some of you. Dana On Nov 7, 2004, at 4:01 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Dana, > Yes, it was Marjery. I have checked all known ship records (at that > time records were "hit or miss"). It is doubtful that emigrants at > that > time moved from Barbados to New England. Although possible, to my > knowledge (after extensive research), no records exist. All we know is > that these people were part of "The Great Migration". Some things will > never be known. I have come to accept this fact after many years of > research. > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:51 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > > Thanks for your reply, Clyde. > > Is her name really spelled "Marjery" I thought it was "Marjory". Has > anyone checked ships leaving England, but arriving in Canada? Some > research has indicated settlers moving through the Barbados and then > into America. What about that possibility? I guess it is definitive > that her last name was Wilson. > > Thank you! > > Dana > On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > >> Dana, >> Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For >> that >> matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year > of >> their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of >> death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. >> Clyde >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM >> To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons >> >> Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory >> Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with >> John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the >> same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Dana Jensen >> On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: >> >>> Joan wrote: >>> >>> Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from >>> UK ??? >>> >>> The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, > William, >>> and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, >>> Massachusetts ca. 1640. >>> Regards, >>> Clyde >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn > more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

The following should be of interest: From "Ipswich in the Massachusetts Bay Colony", by Thomas Franklin Waters (The Ipswich Historical Society, 1905): In Part I, at p. 490 is to be found Appendix "A" (A Summary of the First Settlers from 1633 to 1649 with the First Year, when the Name occurs for the First Time in the Town Records), at p. 492-----John Knowlton (1639), William Knowlton (1641), and Thomas Knowlton (1642). In Oct., 1639, John Knowlton purchased a lot, with one small dwelling, from William Fuller (Ipswich Town Records). From "The Hammatt Papers, Early Inhabitants of Ipswich, Massachusetts, 1633 - 1700", by Abraham Hammatt (Genealogical Pub. Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1980 ---a reprint), at p. 186 we find that John Knowlton became a "commoner" in 1641. Clyde

Dana, Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For that matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year of their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. Clyde -----Original Message----- From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? Thanks for any help. Dana Jensen On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Joan wrote: > > Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from > UK ??? > > The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, William, > and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, > Massachusetts ca. 1640. > Regards, > Clyde > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Thanks for your reply, Clyde. Is her name really spelled "Marjery" I thought it was "Marjory". Has anyone checked ships leaving England, but arriving in Canada? Some research has indicated settlers moving through the Barbados and then into America. What about that possibility? I guess it is definitive that her last name was Wilson. Thank you! Dana On Nov 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Dana, > Alas, to my knowledge, nothing is know about Marjery's origin. For > that > matter, we know nothing about the ship he/she arrived on or the year of > their arrival. Lastly, we know nothing regarding their cause(s) of > death, although influenza was a known killer at that time. > Clyde > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana jensen [mailto:danajensen@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:36 PM > To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] First Knowltons > > Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory > Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with > John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the > same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? > Thanks for any help. > > Dana Jensen > On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > >> Joan wrote: >> >> Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from >> UK ??? >> >> The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, William, >> and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, >> Massachusetts ca. 1640. >> Regards, >> Clyde >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

Does anyone know anything regarding John Knowlton's wife Marjory Wilson? She was born in England (I believe), did she come over with John- or was she with her own family? My notes show they both died the same year. Was there an outbreak of something in 1653 in Ipswich, MA? Thanks for any help. Dana Jensen On Nov 7, 2004, at 9:12 AM, Vanderbrouk wrote: > Joan wrote: > > Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from > UK ??? > > The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, William, > and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, > Massachusetts ca. 1640. > Regards, > Clyde > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Knowlton, Sylvester, b. 22 Nov. l8l3 in Keene, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire, and wife Harriett Marie (Rowell), they were married in Lysander, Onondaga Co., NY on l6 Feb. l848, Sylvester died l6 April l895 in Monterey, Allegan Co., MI, his wife b. about l820, died l6 Aug. l877 in Monterey, Allegan Co., MI., they are buried in Poplar Hill Cemt., in Monterey, Allegan Co., MI, their children were William A. b. l5 Apr. l849, lysander, NY,/// Lousia b. 30 July l85l, in Lysander, NY,///Edgar b. 24 Aug. l853, in Lysander, NY,//Martha b. l7 Dec. l854, in Lysander, NY //John D. b. 24 Jan. l858-59, in Monterey, Allegan Co., MI,///Mary F. b. 06 l860-6l, in Monterey, Allegan Co., MI and //one child unknown to me.William married l4 Feb. l877 to Nicey Gordon, Lousia died at age 3 mo., on 27 Apr l85l, Edgar died at a young age, John D. Married to Hettie Vanhouten on l4 Aug l88l, and Mary F., Married Frederick W. Dixley on 02 July l88l. Would any of you Knowlton's on the Knowlton list, kno! w anything about this family, I would like to share information, Please contact me at chomin@glccomputers.com. Thanking you for your time and help. Nancy

Joan wrote: Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from UK ??? The first known Knowltons to emigrate from England were John, William, and Thomas Knowlton, first found in the records of Ipswich, Massachusetts ca. 1640. Regards, Clyde

Sheri, The following is a brief summary: The Great Swamp at South Kingston, Rhode Island, was the site of the last stand of the Narragansett Indians in King Philip's War against the Colonists. In the bloody engagement which took place there on Sunday, December 19, 1675, troops from the Confederation of the United Colonies of New England including Massachusetts Bay, Plymouth, and Connecticut and Rhode Island took part and because of the numbers participating, killed and wounded, the battle had been unequalled in New England up to that time. As a result of the battle, the military strength and resources of the most powerful Indian tribe in New England were broken forever. A fort in the Great Swamp had been built by the Narragansett Sachem, Canonchet, as a place of refuge. Because of its location on a small island of dry land in the midst of a great swamp, he no doubt considered it impregnable. It was, however, only partially completed and consisted of "pallisadoes stuck upright in a hedge of about a rod in thickness." Two fallen trees formed natural bridges which were the only entrances and the principal one was guarded by a block house. Inside the fort the stores, harvests and accumulated wealth of the Narragansetts had been brought and there asylum had been offered the aged and infirm and the women and children of the Wampanoags of King Philip. The United Colonies of New England declared war against the Narragansett Indians on November 2, 1675, charging them, among other things, with "relieving and succouring Wampanoag women and children and wounded men" and not delivering them to the English, and also because they "did in a very reproachful and blasphemous manner, triumph and rejoice" over the English defeat at Hadley. They voted to raise a thousand soldiers to be sent against the Narragansetts unless their sachems gave up the fugitive Wampanoags. The forces of the United Colonies under Governor Winslow marched across Rhode Island and on December 14 attacked the village of the Squaw Sachem Matantuck near Wickford and burned 150 wigwams, killing seven Indians and taking nine prisoners. The Narragansetts then began a guerrilla warfare, sniping Colonial troops wherever occasion offered. On the night of December 15 the Indians surrounded Jireh Bull's large stone house on Tower Hill and massacred all but two of the occupants. The smoldering ruins of the house were found by English scouts the next day. It is possible that the Indians had learned of a plan for the Connecticut contingent to join the other forces at this house and had destroyed it in order to handicap the colonies. Three days later the two English forces joined at Pettaquamscutt and planned to attack the Indians the next day. Ordinarily the swamp was practically impenetrable, as it is to this day, but due to the severe December weather the marshy ground had frozen and the English soldiers gained easy access to the island. The Indian outposts retreated into the fort where they were followed by the English. The terrible battle which then began took place amidst ice, snow, under brush and fallen trees. At first repulsed, the English continued the assault, though with heavy losses. They contested almost every foot of ground until the Narragansetts, also suffering many casualties, were driven gradually from their fort into the swamp and woods. Meanwhile, the English had set fire to the wigwams, some 600 in number, and flames swept through the crowded fort. The "shrieks and cries of the women and children, the yelling of the warriors, exhibited a most horrible and appalling scene, so that it greatly moved some of the soldiers. They were in much doubt and they afterwards seriously inquired whether burning their enemies alive could be consistent with humanity and the benevolent principle of the gospel," says one early account. The retreating Indians were driven from the woods about the fort, leaving the English a complete, though costly, victory. They had lost five captains and 20 men and had some 150 wounded that must be carried back to a house some ten miles distant. To the terrors of the battle and fire were added the bitter cold and blinding snow of a New England blizzard through which the English toiled back to Cocumcussa. The hardships of that march took a toll of 30 or 40 more lives. The Indians reported a loss of 40 fighting men and one sachem killed and some 300 old men, women and children burned alive in the wigwams. In 1906 a rough granite shaft about 20 feet high was erected by the Rhode Island Society of Colonial Wars to commemorate this battle. Around the mound on which the shaft stands are four roughly squared granite markers engraved with the names of the colonies which took part in the encounter and two tablets on opposite sides of the shaft give additional data. -----Original Message----- From: Sheri-Family Tree [mailto:nadxeli1@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:15 PM To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [KNOWLTON] Your tree on Rootsweb re: John Knowlton 1633 Thanks Clyde for your imput. Arrived back in Mexico after a wonderful month of research but that wasn't enough to follow up on all the information I wanted to gather. I drove over 5,000 miles from Texas to New York stopping where possible to fill in data fabout my family. I do have to rely a lot on wonderful people like yourself who are willing to share your personal research. I want to get it right. By the way can you explain a little what was involved in the Narragansett Winter Campaign. I recently read a novel by the ggggrandson son of a minisiter who translated the Bible into the Narragansett language to the "praying Indians" and a lot was mentioned about the wars during the 1700's. Thanks again, Sheri Burk Vanderbrouk <rpckvv@swbell.net> wrote: Sheri, This is my research on John Knowlton. It is based upon Stocking and research in the Ipswich town records. Clyde --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

----- Original Message ----- From: "phyllis haughton" <shunie@rivnet.net> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [KNOWLTON] Replying to Gatewayed messages to our List > "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" wrote: > >> Thanks to list members for sharing responses on our >> Listserve. Since Joyce is not a relative, it made no difference >> that we did not reply to the Knowlton bulletin board where she >> posted her information. >> >> However, you-all, do remember that if someone posts to >> the Knowlton bulletin board (which is always gatewayed >> to our Knowlton mailing list), you cannot communicate with >> the person by replying here. It flows one way only: board >> to list, not list to board. >> >> Email me privately if this is not clear. Thanks. >> >> On another topic: I FINALLY submitted my small, but >> select (1530 people) database to Rootsweb Worldconnect, and >> it has appeared. I am slowly adding sources. >> >> Yes, I know that ancestry can "steal" my info and sell it on >> cds to foolish peoplewho do not know they can "steal" >> it directly off Rootsweb for free. No living people are listed. >> I give sources but do not show my notes. I have decided >> that I am more willing to let ancestry make money off me >> than I am to forgo meeting sister/fellow researchers or >> wait forever to have money and time to make my own >> web pages. Hope it is useful to some of you although >> it has no more Knowltons than were already on the web. >> >> Elizabeth K. Hello Elizabeth K. Do we know who was the first Knowlton to emigrate from UK ??? Joan >> >> Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >> >From: <BasketLady420@aol.com> >> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:48 AM >> Subject: [KNOWLTON] Thomas Knowlton, 1740~1776 >> >> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> > >> > Surnames: Knowlton >> > Classification: Query >> > >> > Message Board URL: >> > >> > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/300 >> > >> > Message Board Post: >> > >> > KNOWLTON, Thomas. 1740-1776. Militia officer (Capt.), Continental >> > officer (Lt. Col.), farmer, b. West Boxford, Mass. >> > Distinguished himself at Bunker Hill; carried out daring raid on >> > Charleston, Mass., 8 January 1776; leader of a body of Connecticut >> > Rangers at battle of Harlem Heights, N.Y., 16 September 1776, in which >> he >> > was killed. >> > >> > >> > I am not related to this person, I am just passing on this >> information, >> > which comes from a book titled "People & Events of the American >> > Revolution" by Dupuy/Hammerman. R.R. Bowker Company, 1974. pg.354. >> > Joyce >> < >> >> Elizabeth W. Knowlton >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > Please remove my name from the Knowlten genealogy. Our genealogoist is > no longer with us. Thanks. Shunie@rivnet.net. > > > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx >