Does the book ("1776") give an accounting of Col. Knowlton's role in choosing Nathan Hale for his famous spy mission against the British? Sounds like a good read, thanks for the tip. ~ Kari ~

I have just been reading the best seller book, 1776, by the noted biographer David McCullough. He makes numerous references to Major, later Colonel THOMAS KNOWLTON. To quote one passage.”More than a hundred Conn. Rangers, some of the best soldiers in the Army, had left on a mission before dawn, led by one of the best field officers in the army, a strapping Connecticut farmer and veteran of Bunker Hill, Col. Thomas Knowlton. (It was Knowlton at Bunker Zill who, with Colonel John Stark, had famously held the rail fence in the face of the oncoming British lines, and Knowlton who, during the siege of Boston, had led the night attack on Charlestown that so upset the British Officer’s production of the Burgoyne farce, The Blockade at Faneuil Hall” The above was written regarding Washington’s defeat at Brooklyn Heights. Thomas really isn’t in my line. I go from William, John, John Jr., Samuel, Rice, Rice Jr.,and Benjamin Sr and Jr ,who allegedly fought side by side in the Revolution. Thought this would be interesting for Thomas’s researchers to read. Paul Ryan Mamaroneck, NY

Carlisle, is it too late to ask for a copy sent as an excel sheet? Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >For anyone who might care to have it, I have a list of 40+ persons, KNOWLTONs and others, appearing in KNOWLTON households in the federal and NY state censuses for Erie County, NY, 1850, 1855, and 1860, with miscellaneous details, usually including place of birth, and/or previous residence --- done some years ago in connection with other research --- no special attention either way to possible Westchester County, NY origins. The list is in Excel spreadsheet format and would be far better sent as such. Carlisle Knowlton carlisle.knowlton@comcast.net< Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Terry, Why not join the Knowlton list? You will not be overwhelmed. I am leaving it to others to answer this as my line left Massachusetts before 1700. Ephraim was a very popular name among the Knowltons for a very long time, however, in all branches. good luck, Elizabeth Message text written by "Terry B. HARDY" >Sharing some information and requesting information. Surnames involved are: CROSIER, ELDRIDGE, GILLETT & KNOWLTON. Ephraim KNOWLTON (b. 1795, Rowe, Massachusetts) and his wife Sally ELDRIDGE (b. allegedly on 18 Mar 1800 in Charlmont, Mass.) came to the Roseville area in mid 1850's from Rowe, MA , after spending some time in Ashtabula County, Ohio. Ephraim allegedly died in Roseville on 4 Dec 1856. Would like to confirm his death date and place of burial. **Also, the date of death, place of death and place of burial of Sally ELDRIDGE KNOWLTON.** There are ELDRIDGE's buried on the northwest section of the Roseville Cemetery, Roseville, Illinois who very well may be connected to Sally. They may also be related to the first wife of John Clark KNOWLTON (b. 22 July 1826 in Rowe, MA) , Ephraim and Sally's son. Her name was Elvira ELDRIDGE KNOWLTON (d. in 1853 at the age of 35, near Roseville) and is buried in the the northwest section of the Roseville Cemetery (just north of several ELDRIDGE graves) next to her husband, John Clark KNOWLTON After Elvira died John remarried, but we've lost that information as to who, except recall the information indicated that the marriage took place "on the bride's father's residence" around 1854. John Clark KNOWLTON was a captain in the Illinois 11th Cavalry Company H. John Clark KNOWLTON died in 1863, not sure where. It is unknown if there were any children born to either of John's wives. We do know that at least one of the Roseville ELDRIDGE's was born in Ashtabula County, Ohio. Mary Jane KNOWLTON married Oscar F. GILLETT (b. 14 Dec 1829 in Ashtabula County, Ohio) in March of 1852 in New Lyme, Ohio and moved to Roseville, Illinois in 1853. They had nine children. Oscar died on 3 Nov 1912 in Avon, Illinois. Mary and Oscar are buried in Holeman-Olive Cemetery just outside of Avon, Illinois. We are seeking more information on Mary Jane KNOWLTON GILLETT. Also, interested in information on Rhoda KNOWLTON (b. 16 Feb 1818 in Rowe, Massachusetts) who married Rodney CROSIER. They were living next to Ephraim KNOWLTON in Ashtabula County, Ohio in the 1850 Ohio Census and evidently moved to Warren County, Illinois around 1853. There appears to be a connection between all the above. They all came to Warren County, Illinois in about the same time pe! riod and from the same area of Ohio. ** Note: Sarah "Sally" ELDRIDGE KNOWLTON .. Located & visited her grave in Brownsville Cemetery, South New Lyme, Ohio. Large, 4-sided family headstone is in excellent condition, one side reads, Sarah KNOWLTON born Feb. 18, 1800 - died May 19, 1876. Also, listed on another side of headstone are the names of her daughter Emily (KNOWLTON) POTTER (born Oct. 13, 1821 - died April 14, 1912), Emily's husband Olney R. POTTER (born Oct. 20, 1821 - died April 26, 1895) and on another side are listed what most likely are some of Emily & Olney's children.... Wells D. POTTER (born Mar. 02, 1854 - died Sept. 04, 1869), Earl G. (1890 - 1966), Lola E. (1888 - 1985). We would be interested in communicating with any descendants of the above persons. We will share any information we have. Thank you. Terry & Lucy HARDY, 200 Lindhardt Rd. Carlisle, Iowa 50047 E-mail: terry-lucy.hardy@att.net Phone: (515) 989 - 3324 < Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Hi Elizabeth, I looked up the word in the Encarta dictionary and it means: a dining hall, especially in a monastery, convent, or college. Sheri< Thank you, Sheri, Hmm, a convent or a college at 31 Peck Slip??? Perhaps it was a dormitory for sailors. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >I have access to the Heritagequest images. Bruce< For the Civil War? I thought they just had those for the American Revolution? The men are William M. Knowlton 1st Regt OH Heavy Artillery, Co M, and Martin W. Knowlton 8th Regt CT Infantry, Co H Both men applied from CT. Martin's application number was 1060144 and was made in 1891 His widow, Julia, applied in 1920, and her number was 1159.282 or 292 Thanks for any help you can give. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Elizabeth, Wow I am surprised at how many new words I am learning just to understand what went on back then. Possibly back then any large dining room may have been considered a refectory. Have you figured out what was at that address? I'm trying to figure out what a mill grist is or was. I suppose some kind of grain that is ground into a flour. I have seen this so many times in my research. Sheri "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@compuserve.com> wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Hi Elizabeth, I looked up the word in the Encarta dictionary and it means: a dining hall, especially in a monastery, convent, or college. Sheri< Thank you, Sheri, Hmm, a convent or a college at 31 Peck Slip??? Perhaps it was a dormitory for sailors. Elizabeth W. Knowlton ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

first, thanks, Martha and Marcia, for your nice remarks on the Daniel Knowlton research I submitted. second, does anyone have ready access to union soldiers' pension applications? They would both have been made from Connecticut. The NARA near me has film for only the SE region. I will send details if any of you can do some lookups for me. thanks, Elizabeth W. Knowlton

I have access to the Heritagequest images. Bruce > > second, does anyone have ready access to > union soldiers' pension applications? They > would both have been made from Connecticut. > The NARA near me has film for only the SE > region. > > I will send details if any of you can do some > lookups for me.

We make so many cracks about Stocking and his errors; however, I have a new appreciation of his labors after writing 3 small emails summing up research. First, I made errors in transcribing the census record below. The men are all under 40; they do not include Elisha S. Mott. It should read 14 men 30-40, 10 men 20-30. I believe that the one man 15-20 is probably John Knowlton. My transcription of the women was correct, so I do not know who the old woman 40-50 is unless she is Sarah Earle, Daniel's stepmother and aunt, but that woman should be a little older. >Checking the 1840 census again, I looked at Daniel Nolton, 16th ward NYC, p 197. There are 14 men 40-50, 10 men 30-40, 1 15-20, and one under 5; one woman 40-50, one 30-40, two 20-30, two 15-20, two 10-15, and one girl under five. Plenty of room here for Elisha and Phoebe, Daniel and Caroline, and various others. Was this the quarry business? I was thinking the men were too old until I looked again at the men in the 1860 quarry and discovered that most were from 30-50.< Another discovery has been that Prosper was in New Jersey in 1840, in Livingston, Essex Co., with his wife and first two children, boys. Also a teenaged girl, probably a hired girl, possibly Miriam's sister or Prosper's. This is after he had the oysterhouse and before he was at the quarry in Hackensack. In addition, Prosper worked at a "refectory" at 31 Peck Slip in NYC, 1842/43. Any ideas what that was? Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Hi Elizabeth, I looked up the word in the Encarta dictionary and it means: a dining hall, especially in a monastery, convent, or college. Sheri __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thank you for sharing and inspiring. Although the list has been quiet, I am sure all are busy at work looking for loose ends. Dry periods are part of the pursuit. I have been rewarded after a 20 year dry spell when browsing in the library in Santa Clara Calif. I found 13 generations on grandmother's side who had been totally elusive. I currently live in Florida after leaving the Boston, Mass. area. This family was in Essex County Mass. But I never found them when I was in Mass. I would also like to compliment you on your style. It's a pleasure to read what you present. Thanks again, Marcia Clark

Don't apologize for "going on so long." I love your e-mails! They are always full of true research and interesting history, even when it's not a line directly relevant to me. I find them inspiring. What a great discovery that picture was! Martha Grenzeback graymatters@alltel.net At 09:44 PM 8/30/2005 -0400, Elizabeth W. Knowlton wrote: >part 3 of 3. Sorry to go on so long. I am >not happy with my writing either but want to >get the research out there. Here's hoping >it will give you ideas to continue yours. > >I always say, collect every record. >This is especially true of census records. >Other people in the family, even the neighbors, >can provide valuable clues. > >After I understood that William and Martin >Knowlton's maternal grandfather was Elisha S. >Mott, a nice unusual name, I began looking for >him on earlier censuses and googling him. > >Oddly, in 1860, after Prosper Knowlton and his >family had gone to Ohio to be tenant farmers, >I found Elisha S. Mott living in the very same >location in Hackensack, Bergen Co., NJ, that >Prosper had inhabited in 1850. Even with >no streets on the census records, I could tell >this because 1) the Isaac Best family from >England was still there on the same page, >1850 and 1860, and 2) the place was still a >quarry with about 20 quarrymen living next >door to Elisha, who was listed as Gentleman. > >But who were these ladies living with Mr. Mott? >Mrs. C. E. Knowlton, 45, widow, worth $80,000 >in real estate and $2000 in personal estate, >born NY; and Mrs. Moore, also 45 and b NY. > >Looking for Elisha in 1850, I found a really >strange household: > >18th ward of NYC, NY county, NY, p. 412. >E. S. Mott, 56, quarryman, $10,000. worth >in real estate (the only person on the page >with anything), born NY. Followed by: >Caroline _________ 30 f >Alex 13 m >Phoebe 11 f >John Knowlton 30 m Hatter >Susan 28 f >Wm 16 m >Mott 13 f >Chas. Carpenter 18 m clerk >all born NY >Margaret Donohan? 18 f born Ireland > >Unfortunately, I had not tracked Motts in my >years of ordering city directories. So I popped >into my Family History Center for a little work >on ancestry.com, which does have some of >them. > >I discovered that in both 1829/30 and 1839/40, >Elisha lived on West St. in NYC at the corner >of Leroy. In the latter, his occupation was Stone, >the quarry, I would guess. Ah, but who else had >lived at West and Leroy? A DANIEL Knowlton, >who from at least 1830 through 1838 was a grocer >at that address (under the present West Side >Highway, I believe). Ordinarily I could not connect >a common name like Daniel with my Orange Co. >family, but this was a good tie-in. The Bull history >said there was a son Daniel, named obviously >for his grandfather. Checking my directory notes >again, I found Daniel listed at E 25th St between >Ave 1 and 2 in 1847, occupation, Quarry. > >The other piece of information I found on ancestry >about Elisha was that he had died 18 Apr 1873 in >CT (at his daughter's), a quarryman, and was buried >in Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn. Hmm, I had >mined that cemetery listing on line once for Knowltons >but did connect any of them with those I was >researching. I checked his entry and found three >other people listed in the plot with their interment dates: >Phoebe S. Mott in 1848 (Elisha's wife, from other >sources); Daniel Knowlton, 1849 (ah, so that is why >he vanishes after that date); and Caroline E. >Knowlton, 1869. Suddenly it was all falling into >place. Back to the city directory entries. >1852 Caroline, widow of Daniel, E 33rd St, corner >of Lexington. > >Despite her being listed as a Mott on the 1850 >census, I believe the Caroline or CE living with Elisha >in 1850 and 1860 is the same Caroline, widow >of Daniel. It is tempting to see Caroline as >Elisha's daughter, but I have no record of that >yet. His daughter Miriam was married to >Daniel's brother, and marriages of two sisters >to two brothers were common then. > >Checking the 1840 census again, I looked at >Daniel Nolton, 16th ward NYC, p 197. >There are 14 men 40-50, 10 men 30-40, 1 15-20, >and one under 5; one woman 40-50, one 30-40, >two 20-30, two 15-20, two 10-15, and one girl >under five. Plenty of room here for Elisha and >Phoebe, Daniel and Caroline, and various >others. Was this the quarry business? I was >thinking the men were too old until I looked >again at the men in the 1860 quarry and discovered >that most were from 30-50. > >Now that I perceived two family groups, it was >easy to add John Knowlton, the hatter on the >1850 census, to the group. Yes, a John appeared >in the Orange Co. Knowlton family group also. >(The boys listed were Robert, Daniel, Prosper, >and John.) He and Susan were alone in 1860; >he was alone in 1870; he does not appear in 1880. >Each year he is listed as hatter, hat presser, >or straw hat presser. One city directory, 1862, >also lists him as a "presser," home 12 4th St. >There was something poignant >about this former farm boy spending his life in >a factory, the well-off older brother gone, wife dead, >no children. Sure there were millions of immigrants >worse off than he, crowded into NYC. In 1870 he >lives in a building with 14 other people from France >and Prussia. But years indoors,working at pressing hats, >must have aged him prematurely. > >Looking back at 1850, I suddenly realized that the >Wm. Knowlton was probably Prosper and Miriam's >son, working in NY while they were in NJ. Was >Mott, a girl, John's daughter? Or the fifth child >Miriam said on later censuses she had born? >And who were Alex and Phoebe? Motts or Knowltons? >Still lots of research to do here. > >After this orgy of research, I was feeling rather sad >about Daniel #459. Sure he has descendants >through his female lines (definitely through the Quimbys), >but there did not seem to be any Knowltons left from >his line. > > William M. Knowlton served in the 1st Regt >OH Heavy Artillery, Co. M, during the Civil War. I >believe he lost an eye. He never married and lived >with is mother until they both died in the early 20th c >in Norwalk, CT, and are buried in the Spring Grove >Cemetery in Darien. [He is also listed as buried in >the Dayton Natl Cemetery in Ohio, but perhaps this >is just a marker.] > >Martin W. Knowlton served in Co. H of the 8th CT Vols. >He married twice, to Loretta and then to Julia in the last >years of his life but had no children by either marriage. >He died in 1908 and is buried in Spring Grove also. > >Doing one more google search, however, I came up >with this website that raised my spirits: > >http://www.rowayton.org/rhs/houses/hst11Cr.htm > >The house seemed so peaceful and beautiful. The >little community of Rowayton, so full of oystermen >long ago, is still preserved and loved. I have no >children myself and have never missed them. Why >think that Martin felt differently? There are still lots >of Knowltons on this earth, PLENTY of Knowltons, >frankly, in a rather crowded earth. > >Enough for now, > >Elizabeth W. Knowlton > > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. 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part 3 of 3. Sorry to go on so long. I am not happy with my writing either but want to get the research out there. Here's hoping it will give you ideas to continue yours. I always say, collect every record. This is especially true of census records. Other people in the family, even the neighbors, can provide valuable clues. After I understood that William and Martin Knowlton's maternal grandfather was Elisha S. Mott, a nice unusual name, I began looking for him on earlier censuses and googling him. Oddly, in 1860, after Prosper Knowlton and his family had gone to Ohio to be tenant farmers, I found Elisha S. Mott living in the very same location in Hackensack, Bergen Co., NJ, that Prosper had inhabited in 1850. Even with no streets on the census records, I could tell this because 1) the Isaac Best family from England was still there on the same page, 1850 and 1860, and 2) the place was still a quarry with about 20 quarrymen living next door to Elisha, who was listed as Gentleman. But who were these ladies living with Mr. Mott? Mrs. C. E. Knowlton, 45, widow, worth $80,000 in real estate and $2000 in personal estate, born NY; and Mrs. Moore, also 45 and b NY. Looking for Elisha in 1850, I found a really strange household: 18th ward of NYC, NY county, NY, p. 412. E. S. Mott, 56, quarryman, $10,000. worth in real estate (the only person on the page with anything), born NY. Followed by: Caroline _________ 30 f Alex 13 m Phoebe 11 f John Knowlton 30 m Hatter Susan 28 f Wm 16 m Mott 13 f Chas. Carpenter 18 m clerk all born NY Margaret Donohan? 18 f born Ireland Unfortunately, I had not tracked Motts in my years of ordering city directories. So I popped into my Family History Center for a little work on ancestry.com, which does have some of them. I discovered that in both 1829/30 and 1839/40, Elisha lived on West St. in NYC at the corner of Leroy. In the latter, his occupation was Stone, the quarry, I would guess. Ah, but who else had lived at West and Leroy? A DANIEL Knowlton, who from at least 1830 through 1838 was a grocer at that address (under the present West Side Highway, I believe). Ordinarily I could not connect a common name like Daniel with my Orange Co. family, but this was a good tie-in. The Bull history said there was a son Daniel, named obviously for his grandfather. Checking my directory notes again, I found Daniel listed at E 25th St between Ave 1 and 2 in 1847, occupation, Quarry. The other piece of information I found on ancestry about Elisha was that he had died 18 Apr 1873 in CT (at his daughter's), a quarryman, and was buried in Greenwood Cemetery in Brooklyn. Hmm, I had mined that cemetery listing on line once for Knowltons but did connect any of them with those I was researching. I checked his entry and found three other people listed in the plot with their interment dates: Phoebe S. Mott in 1848 (Elisha's wife, from other sources); Daniel Knowlton, 1849 (ah, so that is why he vanishes after that date); and Caroline E. Knowlton, 1869. Suddenly it was all falling into place. Back to the city directory entries. 1852 Caroline, widow of Daniel, E 33rd St, corner of Lexington. Despite her being listed as a Mott on the 1850 census, I believe the Caroline or CE living with Elisha in 1850 and 1860 is the same Caroline, widow of Daniel. It is tempting to see Caroline as Elisha's daughter, but I have no record of that yet. His daughter Miriam was married to Daniel's brother, and marriages of two sisters to two brothers were common then. Checking the 1840 census again, I looked at Daniel Nolton, 16th ward NYC, p 197. There are 14 men 40-50, 10 men 30-40, 1 15-20, and one under 5; one woman 40-50, one 30-40, two 20-30, two 15-20, two 10-15, and one girl under five. Plenty of room here for Elisha and Phoebe, Daniel and Caroline, and various others. Was this the quarry business? I was thinking the men were too old until I looked again at the men in the 1860 quarry and discovered that most were from 30-50. Now that I perceived two family groups, it was easy to add John Knowlton, the hatter on the 1850 census, to the group. Yes, a John appeared in the Orange Co. Knowlton family group also. (The boys listed were Robert, Daniel, Prosper, and John.) He and Susan were alone in 1860; he was alone in 1870; he does not appear in 1880. Each year he is listed as hatter, hat presser, or straw hat presser. One city directory, 1862, also lists him as a "presser," home 12 4th St. There was something poignant about this former farm boy spending his life in a factory, the well-off older brother gone, wife dead, no children. Sure there were millions of immigrants worse off than he, crowded into NYC. In 1870 he lives in a building with 14 other people from France and Prussia. But years indoors,working at pressing hats, must have aged him prematurely. Looking back at 1850, I suddenly realized that the Wm. Knowlton was probably Prosper and Miriam's son, working in NY while they were in NJ. Was Mott, a girl, John's daughter? Or the fifth child Miriam said on later censuses she had born? And who were Alex and Phoebe? Motts or Knowltons? Still lots of research to do here. After this orgy of research, I was feeling rather sad about Daniel #459. Sure he has descendants through his female lines (definitely through the Quimbys), but there did not seem to be any Knowltons left from his line. William M. Knowlton served in the 1st Regt OH Heavy Artillery, Co. M, during the Civil War. I believe he lost an eye. He never married and lived with is mother until they both died in the early 20th c in Norwalk, CT, and are buried in the Spring Grove Cemetery in Darien. [He is also listed as buried in the Dayton Natl Cemetery in Ohio, but perhaps this is just a marker.] Martin W. Knowlton served in Co. H of the 8th CT Vols. He married twice, to Loretta and then to Julia in the last years of his life but had no children by either marriage. He died in 1908 and is buried in Spring Grove also. Doing one more google search, however, I came up with this website that raised my spirits: http://www.rowayton.org/rhs/houses/hst11Cr.htm The house seemed so peaceful and beautiful. The little community of Rowayton, so full of oystermen long ago, is still preserved and loved. I have no children myself and have never missed them. Why think that Martin felt differently? There are still lots of Knowltons on this earth, PLENTY of Knowltons, frankly, in a rather crowded earth. Enough for now, Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Vital Records (VR) of Ipswich, MA, Vol. II., p. 265, states that Deacon Thomas Knowlton married one Mary Kimball, 17 May 1682. In Stocking's History, this Mary Kimball is identified as daughter of Richard and Mary (Scott) Kimball, born 1625. NOTE: Richard Kimball's first wife and mother of all his children was URSULA Scott. Turns out that this Mary Kimball married Robert Dutch of Gloucester and Ipswich. In Knowlton's Errata, this Mary Kimball is identified as the daughter of John and Mary (Bradstreet) Kimball, born 1658, which makes her a grandaughter of Richard and Ursula. NOTE: There was a thirty plus year difference in age between Deacon Thomas and this Mary Kimball; also, the 1988 revised version of the History of the Kimball Family only says that she _might_ have been the second wife of Deacon Thomas. In doing some unrelated research, I stumbled upon an article in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register (NEHGR), Vol. 142, pp. 51-55 (1988) which states that Mary Smith, wife of the first Thomas Kimball, son of Richard, the emigrant, married, second, Deacon Thomas Knowlton of Ipswich, 17 May 1682. This Mary was daughter of Thomas and Joanna (-----) Smith and was born about 1634. In the article (p. 54), there is a discussion of agreements between the Selectmen of Ipswich and two of Thomas Kimball's brothers re: the maintenance of Thomas and Joanna Smith. Those agreements are also discussed in the Kimball History. There is one key difference. Where the "History" says that the agreements were dated 18 November 1686 and 8 December 1687, the NEHGR article gives dates of 18 December 1680 and 8 December 1681. If 1686 and 1687 are correct, it works against the assertion that Mary Smith Kimball married Thomas Knowlton in 1682 because the agreements specifically identify Mary Kimball, widow of Thomas (note that Deacon Thomas died 03 April 1692, three and a half years after the death of his wife, Mary, which occurred 20 November 1688, both according to Ipswich VR). Had she been married to Deacon Thomas at the time of the agreements, it should have somehow been reflected in the language of those agreements. If the correct dates are 1680 and 1681, the agreements, as well as the death of her parents, predate Deacon Thomas's marriage to Mary Kimball, whoever she was. The NEHGR article states that Thomas Smith probably died during the winter of 1681-1682, his wife having died earlier, and references Essex County Probate File 25781. I tend to think that the NEHGR dates are correct, the Kimball "History" dates are incorrect, and that Thomas Kimball's widow did marry Deacon Thomas Knowlton. A couple of entries in The Hammatt Papers support the 1680-81 dates. Anyone having ready access to Essex County Probate could verify Thomas Smith's death date (probate would also indicate whether or not his wife, Joanna, was still living at that time). The Ipswich town records (which must have survived into the 19th century as originals or copies) could also be revisited to verify the dates of the agreements between the Kimballs and the town of Ipswich (1680-1 or 1686-7). I'm in upstate NY, and don't have that kind of access. Of course, there's no genealogical significance to any of this since Deacon Thomas had no issue from either marriage. -- Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812; http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ List Administrator for RootsWeb's DUSTIN mailing list. Coordinator for Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut page; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/

I left off last night with Daniel's son Thomas of Cornwall, Orange Co, NY, and his family who disappeared after the 1830 census. When I had the clue that he had a son named Prosper Knowlton and I googled, imagine my surprise to find our own Berta Dempster's list of Knowltons on several NYC directories posted to this list and now archived by rootsweb. I realized that I had ordered each city directory over a 60-year period and copied all Knowltons plus other family names. I got out my folder and found several years of Prosper Knowlton having an oysterhouse on Laurens St near the corner of Spring or on Spring itself. Since I once lived on Sullivan St in NYC between Spring and Prince, I knew Spring. But where was Laurens? After a lot of google false leads, I found the NY city necrology page of dead streets and discovered it had become West Broadway. This was two and a half blocks from my old apartment! and 130 years later. Now I want to know exactly what an oysterhouse was. I know there was a craze for eating oysters then and what an oysterhouse is now, but could Prosper in his 20s have afforded such a place. He worked there at least from 1833-1837. I jump ahead. Of course I began to search for Prosper in the censuses. A great name for searching, right? In 1850 he was living in Hackensack, NJ, being a quarryman, worth $5000, together with his wife and three children: Martin, Caroline E., and Louisa. They were all born in NY except for the two little girls, so I could tell they had moved to NJ before 1846. Prosper was 38. In 1860 they were living in Danbury, Ottawa Co, Ohio! Prosper was 49 with same wife, Miriam, 42. Again there were three children: William M., CE, and LM. He was a tenant farmer worth $100. Hmm, could this have been the "moved west" part of the story. Eventually I realized that William M. and Martin were two different boys. I still have not found Martin in 1860. By 1870 a lot had happened. The Civil War. Prosper had died somewhere. Miriam, 50, and William, 27, were back east, in Norwalk, CT. With them was living Elisha Mott, Miriam's father, I eventually figured out, a retired merchant, 77. William was working as an oysterman. Farther down the page, boarding with a sea captain's family, was Martin, 34, and Loretta, 30, Knowlton. Martin was an oysterman too. Using the 1880, 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses, I was able to track this family in Fairfield Co., CT. There was enough information on line to discover that Louisa married Charles Millspaugh and Caroline married first Theodore Mills and then Andrew J. Raymond, 61 in 1880, who kept a fish market. But it was Elisha Mott, their grandfather, who enabled me to backtrack and dig up some of Prosper's siblings. More to follow. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

>Nancy and Sarah Earle, married Thomas Knowlton and that he and Nancy had eight children (then named). My problem with this is that the children have the exact same names as Nancy's sister Rachel Earle's children she had with Prosper Payne.< Oops, that is Hannah Earle, not Rachel. Sorry. I knew I was working too late last night. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Today being the marriage date of my great great grandparents, Stephen Knowlton, Jr, and Harriet Downs, I thought I would share some research I have done on the descendants of Daniel Knowlton #459, not followed up in Stocking but active in Ulster Co., NY throughout the late 18th century. In various posts on the web, I have given dates and events for Daniel himself. His death is documented in Richard I. Woolsey's diary. I continue to think that Daniel's mother was a Woolsey but have been unable to confirm this. Daniel appears to have married a Jemima Raymer or Raynor. His sister Jerusha Knowlton married John Duffield in Marlborough, NY, and remained there, the only other sibling I have found in Ulster Co. so far as the rest of the Knowltons moved up the Hudson river. Daniel had several children, two being Thomas b ca 1775, who married first Ann (Nancy) Earle and then her sister Sarah; and Mary b 1779, who married James Quimby. The Quimbys are well documented. Thomas lived in Orange Co., in or near Cornwall, as an adult. His father lived in both Ulster and Orange cos., appearing to be in Thomas' household in 1830 as the 80-90 year old man (p 197). After that they vanish. I have traced down family after family who moved west from NY without finding them. The only hint lies in a history of the Bull family in Orange co, NY, which states that their descendants, Nancy and Sarah Earle, married Thomas Knowlton and that he and Nancy had eight children (then named). My problem with this is that the children have the exact same names as Nancy's sister Rachel Earle's children she had with Prosper Payne. I doubt whether both families had eight children with the identical names. The history also says that the family moved into New York City for a time and then went to Michigan (where I have been unable to find them). Be that as it may, two of the names are likely for the Knowlton family (Daniel and Jemima) while a third is Prosper Knowlton. There is a person named Prosper Knowlton in later censuses who says he was born in New York. He also appears in Stocking as son of a Thomas, but this Thomas is poorly documented and supposedly from a VT family. Using Prosper Knowlton as my search center, I have assembled a possible solution for their vanishing from Orange County. Will continue this in a new post tomorrow. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/oh/huron/cemeteries/hu_cemetery.txt There are a great many Knowltons listed here, including Sherman and Ackley, both of whom I have seen sought on the list Elizabeth W. Knowlton

As a point of clarification, you can get directly into the combined World Connect database at the following link: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ If you want to look at Elizabeth's material, only, go to the specific database. In her case, the name of the database is "winspeare." Enter those that eight-character string into the box right under the words "or -- jump to a specific database" (left side of page, about half way down), then hit the go buttion directly beneath that. That action will take you into her data, only. Of course, if you want to do a more general search, enter the surname and given name of interest in the area just above; hit the go button; you'll get all the entries for that name combination. After getting into that first results screen; you can narrow your search by paging down to the bottom of that results screen and adding any or all of a number of modifying data, such as parent and spouse names, birth, death and wedding dates, and specify if you want entries only with sources; etc. Happy hunting, WDC P.S. My Knowlton line: My mother is a Trussell; her second great-grandfather, Moses (born 1753, lost an arm at Bunker Hill) married Sarah Knowlton (638), daughter of Ezekiel (305) and Elizabeth Woodberry. Ezekiel was son of Robert (145) and Lydia Bishop. Robert was son of Ezekiel (21D/43) and Sarah Leach. Ezekiel was son of John (5) and Deborah ----- or Sarah -----. John was son of John and Marjery Wilson; and this John was son of William, the immigrant ancestor. -- Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812; http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ List Administrator for RootsWeb's DUSTIN mailing list. Coordinator for Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut page; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/