Marcia, I have done a little research on this line. Do you have MS Word so that you can open attachments created by it? If so, I will send you the info I just recently sent to Ron Estes. Best Regards, Linwood Wickett Husband of Nancy Knowlton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Maclark39@aol.com> To: <KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: [KNOWLTON] Gilbert Knowlton son of Elias and Elizabeth > As genealogy is partially putting bits and pieces together like a puzzle, > I > take it upon myself to connect one family to another. I do it as > carefully as > possible, noting all my sources, so that if I have made a mistake, I can > "unconnect" properly. > > Because I am not as "sharp" as I used to be, and some of the active > members > are of this line, I solicit comments and or corrections on the following > connections that I have made. > > Daniel Knowlton and Abigail (Almy) had a son Elias (#398 Stocking. > Elias was b. 1744, served in the Rev. War., and died 1784 in Holliston, > Middlesex, Mass. > Elias married Elizabeth Jennings and had the following children: > > i. Rebecca b. Oct. 3, 1765, rec. pg. 127, v.r. Framingham, Mass. > (Newcomb and Gauss book) > she married Daniel Morse, both of Framingham, Jun 29, 1790 in > Hopkinton, Mass. (pg. 314 v.r. Hopkinton, (Newcomb + Gauss book) > > ii. Elisha b. Jun 5, 1767, Framingham, rec. pg. 128 v.r. > His name is spelled Elias in 1813 birth record of son John T.G. > (Dublin, N.H., v.r.) This son John T.G. died 1898 Boston (v.r.) and that > entry > says his father Elijah was born in Sherborn. > Elisha married Polly Chamberlain 1795 Dublin, N.H. > (from pg 32, Marriages (Grooms) Index of Dublin, N.H. 1760 - 1990 - found > at > NEHGS or Ct. Hist. Soc or Ct. Soc. of Gen - mac) > Polly is listed as Hannah Chamberland in death record 1898 Boston > (v.r.) > of son John T.G. > Elisha was a blacksmith and died about 1840 (per. Stocking pg. 166) > > iii. Elias b. May 14, 1769, rec. pg. 90 v.r. Holliston, Mass. (Newcomb > + > Gauss) He married Lydia Fisk 1789, rec. pg. 230 and 208 v.r. Holliston > (Newcomb + Gauss) > Lydia died 1802, and he m. 2nd Hannah Fisk. > He removed to Warwick, Mass. ( per. Stocking and pg. 68 errata) > > iv. Daniel (he is not well documented before his marriage) (he is #914 > Stocking, pg. 166) > Daniel married Linda Blake, (Lendy in int.) Sept 8, 1803. pg. 152, and > 105 > v.r. Holden, (Newcomb + Gauss) > He is listed as Daniel H. and wife Melinda in death record 1910, > Springfield, Mass. (v.r.) of son Austin. > His wife is listed several ways: Lucinda Blake (pg. 77 > Stocking), > Lendy Blake (birth records of some children and marriage intention.) > I have used Linda Blake as stated in her birth record (twin to Lucy, > pg. > 17 v.r. Holden, Mass.) and marriage record. > > v. Jesse b. abt. 1771 (calc. from death info: Jesse Knowlton, > (married) > died Dec 21, 1844, a. 73. worn out, born in Holliston, rec. Grafton, > Mass. > v.r. pg. 437. > He married Polly Blake 1794 in Holden, v.r. pg. 153 and 105. Polly is > listed as Mary, in marriage record of son Jason (s. Jesse and Mary, a. > 40, > widr.) and Zilpah B. Holt, m. April 24, 1845. Grafton, Mass. (v.r. pg. > 238 ) - > I have a note stating Zilpah was widow, age 29 yr at m. (source ???) > maiden > name Bruce, dau. of John and Prudence, b. about 1816 (source ??? - mac) > > vi. Luther, b. 1773 (per #915 Stocking, pg. 77 kea) > Luther removed to Walpole, N.H. in 1800 (pg. 69 errata) > Marriage: Luther Knowlton and Prudence Dedman Dec 28, 1800*. > Framingham > (v.r.pg 235 + pg. 268) > Their family is listed in "Walpole As It Was and As It Is " by George > Aldrich, (internet - Gen Web (prob. History Project) > > vii. Elizabeth b. April 19, 1776. (pg. 90 v.r. Holliston) > she died unm. (pg. 46 errata) > > viii. Gilbert. b. Mar 6, 1778 (pg. 90 v.r. Holliston) > rem. from Holliston. his family not known (pg 47 errata) > AND that is why I am here! > I believe Gilbert is the following: > > (1) Gilbert married Sarah Rowell > from "the Bangor Hist. Magazine, later the Maine Hist. Mag - 1885 - 1894" > Maine Gen. Soc. special #14, edited by Joseph W. Porter, Pictou Press, > Camden, Me., 1993 > pg. 2085 - Eddington Families > David Rowell, from Woolrich to Bangor abt 1770, moved to Eddington and > drowned at Gardner's Falls in 1771. married Patience Greenleaf > Ch: iii. Sarah m. Gilbert Knowlton > ------------- > (2) - 1860 census, Maine, Penobscot Cty., Eddington, series M.653, roll > 445, > pg. 125, Line 22, > Gilbert Knowlton, 82 yr., male, retired Farmer, born Mass., > living with Line 17, dw. 4, fam. 4., Coolige Comins, 57 yr., male, > farmer, b. Mass., > his wife Eliza, 55, F., b. Me., and three Comins children. (pos. dau. > to > Gilbert?) > ---------- > (3) - Gilbert died Nov. 29, 1870, age 91 y 7 mo 23 d = b. about May 8, > 1878 > (I could have copied his birth month as March instead of May) > from "the Bangor Hist. Magazine, later the Maine Hist. Mag - 1885 - 1894" > Maine Gen. Soc. special #14, edited by Joseph W. Porter, Pictou Press, > Camden, Me., 1993 > pg. 992 - Deaths Copied from Inscriptions on Grave Stones > Gilbert Knowlton, Eddington, Nov. 29, 1870 > aged 91 yr, 7 mo, 23 dy. > (probably found at my local library) > ------------- > (4) Also living in Eddington (1860 cens.) is David Knowlton age 59 yr., > with > children named Luther D., and Elias R. > I believe David is son to Gilbert. Can anyone confirm that for me? > ------------- > (5) Also living in Eddington (1860 cens.) is Elias, 57 yr., and Elias F., > 29 > yr. > I believe Elias, 57y is brother to David 59 yr. and son of Gilbert. > Elias F. 29 yr., is living next to David and is probably his son. > ________ > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Also, If Lynde Randall still needs the children of Daniel and Linda > (Blake), > I can help. > Marcia Clark > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

As genealogy is partially putting bits and pieces together like a puzzle, I take it upon myself to connect one family to another. I do it as carefully as possible, noting all my sources, so that if I have made a mistake, I can "unconnect" properly. Because I am not as "sharp" as I used to be, and some of the active members are of this line, I solicit comments and or corrections on the following connections that I have made. Daniel Knowlton and Abigail (Almy) had a son Elias (#398 Stocking. Elias was b. 1744, served in the Rev. War., and died 1784 in Holliston, Middlesex, Mass. Elias married Elizabeth Jennings and had the following children: i. Rebecca b. Oct. 3, 1765, rec. pg. 127, v.r. Framingham, Mass. (Newcomb and Gauss book) she married Daniel Morse, both of Framingham, Jun 29, 1790 in Hopkinton, Mass. (pg. 314 v.r. Hopkinton, (Newcomb + Gauss book) ii. Elisha b. Jun 5, 1767, Framingham, rec. pg. 128 v.r. His name is spelled Elias in 1813 birth record of son John T.G. (Dublin, N.H., v.r.) This son John T.G. died 1898 Boston (v.r.) and that entry says his father Elijah was born in Sherborn. Elisha married Polly Chamberlain 1795 Dublin, N.H. (from pg 32, Marriages (Grooms) Index of Dublin, N.H. 1760 - 1990 - found at NEHGS or Ct. Hist. Soc or Ct. Soc. of Gen - mac) Polly is listed as Hannah Chamberland in death record 1898 Boston (v.r.) of son John T.G. Elisha was a blacksmith and died about 1840 (per. Stocking pg. 166) iii. Elias b. May 14, 1769, rec. pg. 90 v.r. Holliston, Mass. (Newcomb + Gauss) He married Lydia Fisk 1789, rec. pg. 230 and 208 v.r. Holliston (Newcomb + Gauss) Lydia died 1802, and he m. 2nd Hannah Fisk. He removed to Warwick, Mass. ( per. Stocking and pg. 68 errata) iv. Daniel (he is not well documented before his marriage) (he is #914 Stocking, pg. 166) Daniel married Linda Blake, (Lendy in int.) Sept 8, 1803. pg. 152, and 105 v.r. Holden, (Newcomb + Gauss) He is listed as Daniel H. and wife Melinda in death record 1910, Springfield, Mass. (v.r.) of son Austin. His wife is listed several ways: Lucinda Blake (pg. 77 Stocking), Lendy Blake (birth records of some children and marriage intention.) I have used Linda Blake as stated in her birth record (twin to Lucy, pg. 17 v.r. Holden, Mass.) and marriage record. v. Jesse b. abt. 1771 (calc. from death info: Jesse Knowlton, (married) died Dec 21, 1844, a. 73. worn out, born in Holliston, rec. Grafton, Mass. v.r. pg. 437. He married Polly Blake 1794 in Holden, v.r. pg. 153 and 105. Polly is listed as Mary, in marriage record of son Jason (s. Jesse and Mary, a. 40, widr.) and Zilpah B. Holt, m. April 24, 1845. Grafton, Mass. (v.r. pg. 238 ) - I have a note stating Zilpah was widow, age 29 yr at m. (source ???) maiden name Bruce, dau. of John and Prudence, b. about 1816 (source ??? - mac) vi. Luther, b. 1773 (per #915 Stocking, pg. 77 kea) Luther removed to Walpole, N.H. in 1800 (pg. 69 errata) Marriage: Luther Knowlton and Prudence Dedman Dec 28, 1800*. Framingham (v.r.pg 235 + pg. 268) Their family is listed in "Walpole As It Was and As It Is " by George Aldrich, (internet - Gen Web (prob. History Project) vii. Elizabeth b. April 19, 1776. (pg. 90 v.r. Holliston) she died unm. (pg. 46 errata) viii. Gilbert. b. Mar 6, 1778 (pg. 90 v.r. Holliston) rem. from Holliston. his family not known (pg 47 errata) AND that is why I am here! I believe Gilbert is the following: (1) Gilbert married Sarah Rowell from "the Bangor Hist. Magazine, later the Maine Hist. Mag - 1885 - 1894" Maine Gen. Soc. special #14, edited by Joseph W. Porter, Pictou Press, Camden, Me., 1993 pg. 2085 - Eddington Families David Rowell, from Woolrich to Bangor abt 1770, moved to Eddington and drowned at Gardner's Falls in 1771. married Patience Greenleaf Ch: iii. Sarah m. Gilbert Knowlton ------------- (2) - 1860 census, Maine, Penobscot Cty., Eddington, series M.653, roll 445, pg. 125, Line 22, Gilbert Knowlton, 82 yr., male, retired Farmer, born Mass., living with Line 17, dw. 4, fam. 4., Coolige Comins, 57 yr., male, farmer, b. Mass., his wife Eliza, 55, F., b. Me., and three Comins children. (pos. dau. to Gilbert?) ---------- (3) - Gilbert died Nov. 29, 1870, age 91 y 7 mo 23 d = b. about May 8, 1878 (I could have copied his birth month as March instead of May) from "the Bangor Hist. Magazine, later the Maine Hist. Mag - 1885 - 1894" Maine Gen. Soc. special #14, edited by Joseph W. Porter, Pictou Press, Camden, Me., 1993 pg. 992 - Deaths Copied from Inscriptions on Grave Stones Gilbert Knowlton, Eddington, Nov. 29, 1870 aged 91 yr, 7 mo, 23 dy. (probably found at my local library) ------------- (4) Also living in Eddington (1860 cens.) is David Knowlton age 59 yr., with children named Luther D., and Elias R. I believe David is son to Gilbert. Can anyone confirm that for me? ------------- (5) Also living in Eddington (1860 cens.) is Elias, 57 yr., and Elias F., 29 yr. I believe Elias, 57y is brother to David 59 yr. and son of Gilbert. Elias F. 29 yr., is living next to David and is probably his son. ________ Any help would be appreciated. Also, If Lynde Randall still needs the children of Daniel and Linda (Blake), I can help. Marcia Clark

Hi, Carlisle, Well, I have spent considerable time trying to find the source of your statement about the Iberian peninsula. Unfortunately, I cannot even find your original statement about this (suppose it will appear in the archives eventually) so I can't quote what you said. I have followed up all the websites you gave without being enlightened. I was an English major. As usual, I find scientific writing to be either so simple minded that it is common sense we already know from daily observation (the best science anyway) OR to be so complex that only another scientist could follow it. I returned to my original source of genetic genealogy, Bryan Sykes' book SEVEN DAUGHTERS OF EVE. When I first read that, it did not seem as if the nuclear dna could do much for genealogy except prove surname links back to 1500 or so. Well, a lot more developments have taken place since then. I picked up ADAM'S CURSE, his book on nuclear dna, specifically the y chromosome, the other day and have just finished it. Although there is nothing about haplo-anythings in it, I can imagine now what you are talking about. But I am convinced that your statements must come from a report that you paid for. Are you willing to share on the web the haplotype information you mentioned relating to Knowltons? If not, will you sell it to us individually if I share in your expense? I am interested in what you have to say but cannot spend any more time reading whole books on the subject, especially as few outside of Mr. Sykes can make it all intelligible to me and especially as I do not think these books are the source of your statement about the Iberian peninsula. Below is the one item I found, buried deep in Kershner's site. Since it is Haplotypes, not haplogroups, which he considers important for the y surname genealogy, I am not sure why you referred to the latter. If it is the latter, then we are talking about the mta-dna I mentioned in my first email, having nothing to do with surname Knowlton genealogy. > A commonly occurring paternal line Y chromosome major haplogroup branch found in males tested today is the alphanumeric R1b, which is found in high frequency in Western Europe males and direct male line descendants of European males from that area. A commonly occurring maternal line mtDNA major haplogroup branch found in people tested today is the letter H and is found in high frequency in Western Europe and direct maternal line descendants of European descendants from the area. The major maternal line mtDNA haplogroup branches have been even further personalized by Dr. Brian Sykes in his book, "The Seven Daughters of Eve." Since the mtDNA haplogroup branches represent common maternal lines, he gave the haplogroups female names which correspond with the first letter of those major mtDNA haplogroup branches. For example my maternal line mtDNA haplogroup is the letter H. And the female name Dr. Brian Sykes gave to that haplogroup is Helena. He also made up a little story about each of these seven female ancestors in his book to try to describe their life and times 10's of thousands of years ago when he surmises they lived in various parts of what is now Europe. Haplogroups are mainly used for anthropological research and deep ancestry research for time frames long prior to the adoption of surnames. We're talking 10's of thousands of years ago when these haplogroups became defined. Knowledge of one's haplogroup, while interesting, does not typically provide much assistance to the genealogist other then pointing to a large geographic area of the world where that haplogroup is found in high frequency. For traditional genealogical research, haplotypes are more important than haplogroups. While the definitive test to determine your haplogroup is a SNP test, many times your haplogroup can be estimated with a reasonable confidence level based on your haplotype test result data. There is quite a bit of dialog online about estimating and knowing one's haplogroup. But as I said, knowing one's haplogroup is of very limited use to traditional genealogical research which is typically focused on the last several hundred years. Source: Genetic Genealogy DNA Testing Dictionary< Sorry to sound so crabby, but I feel as if you are hinting at things without giving us the information. BTW, the Jefferson emails were amusing to me. This year I have realized that I have asperger's syndrome (which is why I enrage people so often). Although many ordinary people have this mild form of autism, Jefferson is often mentioned as having it. I have often felt an affinity for this gentleman with his gardening, record keeping, and compartmentalized life (to say the least!). Hope we can have a post soon that reveals a little more and that more Knowlton males will join your project. Do you have any descendants of the original John? Or of Ephraim who went to NY ca 1700? Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Elizabeth: It suddenly occurred to me I might have omitted something fun from the short reading list on haplogroups which I recently posted at your request. This may well have been Freudian. Over the years I have observed that we share a bit of discomfort factor towards genealogy too much stretched and thirsting for connections with famous persons. But, with that caveat, the following does have serious content, well worthy of attention: http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/06/thomas-jeffersons-patrilineal-origin.html This said, let me quickly emphasize, underscore, and repeat: There is nothing here that suggests any Jeffersonian-Knowlton connection in any time frame that has to do with western patrilineal surnames as we understand and use them today; or used them in 1400-1500 AD. There is a strong scientific basis linking the K2 M70+ haplogroup to Jefferson and the known Knowlton males who share it. But this is in all probability an ancient tribal thing. It could predate the LGM (Last Glacial Maximum) some 18,000 years ago. What is does do is provide a separate, distinct, free-standing example of how these very old, unique characteristics can follow down through the years to be found today in our fathers, sons, brothers, and cousins. Cheers, ck

Elizabeth W. Knowlton wrote: >Thanks, Carlisle, for pointing us to the site. >I read the whole thing, including the sidebar links, >and can find no explanation of the haplogroups. >Can you give us further web pages to read? > > I believe I would lean towards Charles Kerchner's very superior tutorials: www.kerchner.com/contact.htm probably starting with his Testing Info & Resources Page. There is a glossary included in this latter. If I could have only one book on the subject it would be Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner's Trace Your Roots; published by Holtzbrinck Publishers; a comprehensive, up to date, and very readable treatment. This is already a pretty good plateful, so I will stop here for the nonce. Regards, ck

Thanks, Carlisle, for pointing us to the site. I read the whole thing, including the sidebar links, and can find no explanation of the haplogroups. Can you give us further web pages to read? Elizabeth Message text written by INTERNET:KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com >Thanks so much for your interest. Because I am neither scientist nor statistician perhaps the best place to begin would be with my Knowlton surname website: www.ftdna.com/public/knowlton%20surname/ There is raw information there, and more to the point, functional support and descriptions as to how the work is done and who does it, plus lead-ins to other surname sites, most of them far better examples of the genre than my own.< Elizabeth W. Knowlton

While working on an unrelated project, I noted the following Knowlton marriages documented in the Vital Records of Mansfield, CT. I'm passing them on in hope that they'll be useful to someone at sometime. For anyone working on Connecticut families, I suggest taking a look at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jdevlin/ There is a great deal of vital record and other related information on that site and it's growing almost weekly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Births, Marriages, Baptisms and Deaths from the Records of the Town and Churches in Mansfield, Connecticut 1703-1850. Copied from the Records by Susan W. Dimock. Printed for Private Distribution. New York, The Baker and Taylor Company, 5 and 7 East Sixteenth Street, 1897. Author: Susan Whitney Dimock Mansfield, Conn., Town Records – Marriages, 1703 to 1850. [Page 215] Nathaniel Bosworth and Molly Knowlton, of Ashford, m. October 27, 1778 [Page 224] Theodore D. Conant and Harriet M. Knowlton, m. March 30, 1845 [Page 248] Abijah Harris and Mary Knowlton, daughter of Mr. Knowlton, of Ashford, m. ----- [Page 260] Chester Knowlton and Priscilla Sanger, m. January 1, 1807 Palmer Knowlton, of Ashford, and Harriet Conant, of Mansfield, m. January 1, 1833 Jonathan W. Knowlton, of Ashford, and Harriet M. Bottom, of Mansfield, m. April 3, 1842 [Page 269] James Parker, 3d, and Hannah Knowlton, of Ashford, m. November 24, 1785 [Page 273] Daniel B. Read and Arminda Knowlton, m. March 27, 1825 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY Lossing's Field Books of the Revolution and War of 1812; http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/ List Administrator for RootsWeb's DUSTIN mailing list. Coordinator for Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut page; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wcarr1/

The collection has been described on line for many years. I repeated the description in one of the Knowlton lists back in the 90s, I think. The collection is arranged and described. I think it is material that George Knowlton, author of Errata and Addenda, collected AFTER his 1903 book. Therefore, it probably has additions and corrections to the first two book. As to whether it has something useful to a particular Knowlton researcher, I do not know. Bill, since you are nearby, why not go and see? Elizabeth Message text written by Bill Carr >I neglected to finish one thought. If someone more familiar with the state of the Knowlton genealogy wants to attack the material at Albany, I'd be more than happy to assist. -- Bill Carr Town of Malta Saratoga County, NY< Elizabeth W. Knowlton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/319.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Sherry, I remember you. Long chase, hmm. I hope you will rejoin the rootsweb Knowlton mailing list so I won't have to log on and fill out all this stuff just to answer you. I would contact Quincy, Braintree, etc., historical society, or whatever is listed [see rootsweb county site or cyndislist. com etc] and ask them to send you copies of the relevant pages with sources. Or, ask them for the source and a copy of it. This sounds promising. However, it is always possible that all the citations are going around in circles with each person quoting on line someone else who has etc etc. You are lucky if he did come from New England because they keep such good town records. I have looked again in Stocking for Charles W and Sally without finding any of the listings for a Chas W to be yours. Do rejoin us on the mailing list!

Dick/Dena Iverson wrote: > What is the source of this new data?? > > carlisle knowlton wrote: > There is new data as to connections with pre-1600s KNOWLTONs: Thanks so much for your interest. Because I am neither scientist nor statistician perhaps the best place to begin would be with my Knowlton surname website: www.ftdna.com/public/knowlton%20surname/ There is raw information there, and more to the point, functional support and descriptions as to how the work is done and who does it, plus lead-ins to other surname sites, most of them far better examples of the genre than my own. Regards, carlisle knowlton

What is the source of this new data?? carlisle knowlton wrote: > > > List: > > There is new data as to connections with pre-1600s KNOWLTONs: > > The working sample consists of a half dozen living holders of the > surname, all in North America. Each one of them enjoys two important > virtues: > > 1) A direct paper trail back to Captain William and his only > known breeding stock, his two American sons, John b. 1610 and William > b.1615. We are talking some twelve generations here. > > 2) Genetic proof --- meticulous dna science, easily replicated > --- linking all these people together; thus confirming the paper trail. > [There are of course many more than half a dozen people available, but > best keep it simple for now.] > > This situation also opens up a second trail: While genetically a match > with their descendants in America, the Massachusetts progenitors were > not in any way close connections of their supposed neighbors in England. > Indeed their closest connections found anywhere in the world appear in > seaports along the western and northern edges of the Iberian Peninsular. > > OK. I have deliberately held this to the bare bones. But new, exciting > cutting edge research on the subject is being covered in other forums. > Not to take notice of it here is to lag behind. > > In summary: There is good reason to believe that our KNOWLTON ancestors > ca 1550 were not long term indigenous residents of England drawn from > ancient stock, but rather relative latecomers who took the name from the > places where they settled. Their connection with known sea traders > lends creditability as to Captain William's anecdotal occupation. > Indeed there is basis to support consanguinity with Iberian descendants > of Phoenicians plying their sea routes; trading for tin with Cornwall, > for instance > > As always, the devil is in the details. I am far from being a reigning > authority, but to the degree that interest may arise will be glad to > enlarge upon any of this. > > > Carlisle Knowlton > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/319 Message Board Post: For some time now, I have been looking for my husband's Knowlton ancestry, and I wonder if I may have found a breakthrough. I have definitely traced his ancestry back to Edward H. and Mary (Emery) Knowlton, who lived in Thurston, Steuben Co., NY. I was in contact with another descendent years ago who lived in the Steuben Co., NY area, and he provided Edward's birthdate as Sept. 25, 1813 in Quincy, Mass, and his death date as Feb 8, 1892 in Steuben Co., NY. The town of Quincy, Mass is also given as a birthplace for Edward on the death certificate of his son, William H. Knowlton. Online today, I found a citation that listed a birth of Sept. 25, 1813 in Quincy, Mass for an Edward Hamilton Knowlton. Edward Hamilton Knowlton's parents are given as Charles W. Knowlton and Sally. Exact citation is: Title: Genealogies of the Families Of Braintree, Norfolk, Mass., 1640-1850 Author: Waldo Chamberlain Sprague, AB Publication: Including the modern town of Randolph & Holbrook and the city of Quincy, after the separation from Braintree in 1792-3. Can anyone confirm or deny whether this is correct and I have indeed found my elusive Edward H. Knowlton?

List: There is new data as to connections with pre-1600s KNOWLTONs: The working sample consists of a half dozen living holders of the surname, all in North America. Each one of them enjoys two important virtues: 1) A direct paper trail back to Captain William and his only known breeding stock, his two American sons, John b. 1610 and William b.1615. We are talking some twelve generations here. 2) Genetic proof --- meticulous dna science, easily replicated --- linking all these people together; thus confirming the paper trail. [There are of course many more than half a dozen people available, but best keep it simple for now.] This situation also opens up a second trail: While genetically a match with their descendants in America, the Massachusetts progenitors were not in any way close connections of their supposed neighbors in England. Indeed their closest connections found anywhere in the world appear in seaports along the western and northern edges of the Iberian Peninsular. OK. I have deliberately held this to the bare bones. But new, exciting cutting edge research on the subject is being covered in other forums. Not to take notice of it here is to lag behind. In summary: There is good reason to believe that our KNOWLTON ancestors ca 1550 were not long term indigenous residents of England drawn from ancient stock, but rather relative latecomers who took the name from the places where they settled. Their connection with known sea traders lends creditability as to Captain William's anecdotal occupation. Indeed there is basis to support consanguinity with Iberian descendants of Phoenicians plying their sea routes; trading for tin with Cornwall, for instance As always, the devil is in the details. I am far from being a reigning authority, but to the degree that interest may arise will be glad to enlarge upon any of this. Carlisle Knowlton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/318.1 Message Board Post: On the rootsweb home page listing of "message boards" there is a heading "topics" under which you will find "found family heirlooms", you could post a message there. You could also post a message under Bristol County because I believe Attleboro is no longer in Norfolk County. Good Luck

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KNOWLTON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/318 Message Board Post: I purchased an old frame which contained a photograph of a 20's something man. Upon removing the backing to empty the frame and insert my own material, I discovered that the photo had the following identifying information in pencil on the back: Mr. T(? could also be an I) H. KNOWLTON, Attleboro, Mass 11 I'm not interested in this gent's picture, I only need the frame. I would like to reunite the photo with family. If T or I H. KNOWLTON is one of your family, please contact me so I can snail mail this to you. I can't hold on to it forever but will keep it around til after the holidays at least.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knowlton, Smith Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/317 Message Board Post: Jean E. Knowlton, Ph.D. 88, of Indianapolis, passed away November 3, 2005. She was born March 27, 1917 in Indianapolis. She was a lifelong educator. She graduated Magna Cum Laude from Butler University in 1938 with a Bachelor of Arts Degree. She also received a Bachelor of Music from Westminster Choir College in 1943. She received her Master of Music from Westminster Choir College in 1945 and Doctor of Philosophy from Indiana University in 1966. She was a member of Delta Rho Sorority and Phi Theta Kappa National Honor Fraternity. She received "Outstanding Educator of America" award in 1972 and was a participant and Honorary Board Member of Helena Little Theater in 1990. She was also a member of the Anglican Catholic Cathedral of Saint Edward the Confessor, Indianapolis. She was preceded in death by parents; Lynn O. Knowlton and Hazel V. Knowlton and sister Marilynn Smith. Memorial contributions may be made to Saint Edward the Confessor. Indianapolis IN Star 20 nov 2005 - not a relative, no further info

Hi Sue, Thanks for replying. I have been searching for all links to my grandmother. I gained alot by going to the Geneva County Genealogical Society and searching the local grave yards. I did take digital photos of the headstones of Newton and Mary, They are interned in Rock Creek, Ohio at the Brownsville Cemetary Unfortunately I am not home right now so I don't have any of the info collected. Email me at my home email addy of mrdesoto57@peoplepc.com 24grandmasue@eart hlink.net To: KNOWLTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent by: cc: gc-gateway@rootsw Subject: [KNOWLTON] Re: Virginia Viola (Foote) Knowlton eb.com 10/30/2005 01:34 PM Please respond to KNOWLTON-L This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pudder, Pugh, Carlton, Bronson, Stone, Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/218.1.1 Message Board Post: I just came across your message about Newton Knowlton and Mary Bronson. According to the 1850 census of Cherry Valley, OH, Mary was a sister to my great great grandmother, Esther J. (Jershua) Bronson, who later married William Stone. I would be interested in exchanging any information that you would be willing to share. You can e-mail me. Sue 24grandmasue@earthlink.net ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional express written confirmation to that effect. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pudder, Pugh, Carlton, Bronson, Stone, Knowlton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5Mn.2ACEB/218.1.1 Message Board Post: I just came across your message about Newton Knowlton and Mary Bronson. According to the 1850 census of Cherry Valley, OH, Mary was a sister to my great great grandmother, Esther J. (Jershua) Bronson, who later married William Stone. I would be interested in exchanging any information that you would be willing to share. You can e-mail me. Sue 24grandmasue@earthlink.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5Mn.2ACEB/297.1.2 Message Board Post: There still seems to be a lot of mis-information about this family because they are not checking the Medway Mass, Vital Records. John's (964) Father (409) was the son of William Knowlton and Rachael Anderson, not Jonathan. Stocking and the Errata both get it wrong because they (also) did not check the Medway records that tell all. Info Follows: Descendants of William Knowlton Generation No. 1 1. William Knowlton (Jonathan, Daniel, John, John, William, Richard) was born Abt 1737 in Bp. Rec. In Hopkinton, MA. He married Rachael Anderson 9 Nov 1758 in Holliston, MA, daughter of John Anderson and Margaret Fisher. She was born 28 Mar 1740 in Medway, MA. More About William Knowlton: Comment: Part of Hopkinton, Mass became part of Holliston. Children of William Knowlton and Rachael Anderson are: i. Mary Knowlton, b. 29 May 1759, Rec. in Medway, MA; d. 15 May 1783, Rec. in Sherborn, MA. ii. Miriam Knowlton, b. 12 Dec 1761, Rec. in Medway, MA. (Stocking 409)iii. John Knowlton, b. 23 Feb 1763, Rec. in Medway, MA. iv. Keziah Knowlton, b. 15 Mar 1765, Rec. in Medway, MA. (Stocking 410)v. Isaiah Knowlton, b. 22 May 1767, Rec. in Medway, MA; d. 24 Nov 1842, East Sangerville, ME; m. Jemima Johnson, 25 May 1796, Framingham, MA; b. Abt 1770, MA; d. 2 Mar 1854, East Sangerville, ME. Notes for Isaiah Knowlton: Some children of Isaiah and Jemima had births (and death of Leonard) registered in Framingham, MA, however they lived in Sherborn. Sherborn did not have registrations at the time and therefore the vital records were recorded in other towns. Isaiah was listed as the son of John (Stocking #184) That may have been inferred from Sherborn records. However, the key to Isaiah's lineage is recorded in Medway, MA, Medway Births, Pg 85. He was the son of William Knowlton (of Holliston) and Rachael Anderson. vi. William Knowlton, b. 10 Feb 1770, Rec. in Medway, MA; d. 25 Feb 1770, Rec. in Medway, MA. vii. Josiah Knowlton, b. 10 Apr 1771, Rec. in Medway, MA; m. Meriam Draper, 13 Oct 1797, Dover, MA. viii. Kate Knowlton, b. 30 Nov 1773, Sherborn, MA. ix. Oliver Knowlton, b. 8 Jul 1779, Sherborn, MA. Sources 1. Medway, MA - Vital Records of Medway, Mass to the Year 1850, New England Genealogical Society, Boston, Mass, 1905. 2. Sherborn, MA Vital Records - Town Records. 3. Sherborn, MA Vital Records to the year 1850, Baldwin, Pub 1911, Marriages-Pg145 & Sherborn Town Records-"Mar in Framingham"