New York is one of the 10 states ancestry has not yet indexed for the 1860 census. Might be useful info there when the index finally appears. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Jackari2@aol.com> >To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:07 AM >Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Knibbs/Huff family] > > >> Laura >> >> Many thanx for sharing this with us.  I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 >> others in US Census returns. >> >> It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 >> but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. >> >> I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of >Hannah's >> son George born in 1825 -  the parish record actually says Ann but I think >> it's Hannah.  This is his record as I have it within the database. >> >> George KNIBB >>   Born        c1825 >>   Baptised    14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England >>   Died           Possibly returned to England and died 1909. >>   Buried >>   Occupation      ?At Binghampton Ward 3  Broome  NY 1870 as NIBBS a >widowed >>         shoemaker >> >>   Married     bef1846 >> >> Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN  (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for >second) >>   Born        bef1828 >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >> >> Children >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> -- >> >> Charles M KNIBB >>   Born        20Nov1845 Minisink >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> Un-named KNIBB >>   Born        Oct1847   Minisink >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and >> info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the >> references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his >family. >> Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. >> >> Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could >> Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? >> >> Elizabeth UNKNOWN >>   Born        c1827     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation            Keeps house  Fishkill  Dutchess  NY 1880 >>   Father >>   Mother >> >> Children >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> -- >> >> Sarah F KNIBBS >>   Born        c1852     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS >>   Born        c1857     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation            Carpet Mill worker  1880 >> >> Thomas KNIBBS >>   Born        c1858     Dutchess Co >>   Baptised >> >> >> Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have >them >> within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too >old >> to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all >> possibilities and these seem the most likely. >> >> Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another >> matter.  At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians >seeking convict >> ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via >> those born out of wedlock. >> >> bfn >> >> Alan >> >> > >> > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family.  My name is >> > Susan Bingler.    I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains.  My >friend is >> > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA >She >> > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY.  After her marriage she moved >away >> > from NY.  Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time >of the >> > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850.  The >only >> > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. >> > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or >owned land  Nor were >> > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. >I >> > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are >> > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY  After much >frustration on >> > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage.  She did not >know >> > much about it.  Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! >> > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with >them. >> > Anyway  She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I >found >> > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who >married >> > about 1906 >> > >> > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & >> > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. >It was >> > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was >Amelia >> > HUFF.  I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 >years and >> > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the >area >> > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF >served >> > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. >> > >> > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY  e.d. 3 page 9 listed >> > >> > Eugene Knibbs   b. FEb 1849 NY  Parents born England married 27 years >> > Amelia Knibbs.   b. May 1847 NY  Parents born NY     5 children, 4 still >> > living >> > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY   daughter >> > Hattie Knibbs.     b. Mar 1882 NY  daughter >> > >> > by 1910  Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married >> > daughter Hattie. >> > >> > 1910 U.S. Census  Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY   e.d. 8 page 2 >> > Harry F Johnson  30 NY  married 4 years >> > Hattie  Johnson   28 NY     4 children 3 living >> > Clifford  Johnson  3 NY    son >> > Wesley Johnson 1 NY    son >> > Dorthy Johnson  1 NY     daughter >> > Amelia Knibbs    62 NY   mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living >> > >> > >> > I  told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. >> > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the >> > parents.   I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene >Knibbs or >> > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. >> > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - >only >> > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for >should be >> > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was >not >> > an exact match. >> > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one >> > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit.  I did not >find any >> > other Huff in the area which would fit .  I am wondering whether >guardianship >> > records might be of some help.  If her parents died, or at least her >mother >> > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the >parents >> > were. The problem is not know what county to look in.  Orange?  Ulster? >> > Sullivan? >> > >> > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found >him >> > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel >Whitney of >> > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY.    There was a much older man named George >Knibb >> > age  60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his >> > grandfather.  Georg's wife was Hannah age 63  - too old to have been >Eugene's >> > mother.  In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so >I can not >> > use them  for the DAR application. >> > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 >orange >> > co., NY  at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C.   It takes me about one >and a >> > half hours to get there.  I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New >WIndsor, >> > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff.    The next time I go back >I will >> > try Wawayanda and Monroe.  SInce There is no index to the state census I >> > search page by page.  The state census will give the county of birth if >the >> > person was born in NY  and also how long they have been living in the >town.. >> > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see >the >> > name Huff listed.  I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY >that >> > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. >> > >> > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar >> > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF >> > >> > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY  will abstracts for the name >HUFF >> > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned >> > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, >> > Orange CO., NY  will written 9 Mar 1826  probated 24 Jan 1826 >> > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there >were >> > children. >> > >> > So that is what I have looked at so far,  any help, clues etc.  would be >> > most appreciated.  Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff >family >> > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use >as clues >> > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. >> > >> > Thank-you again for your response >> > >> > Susan >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. 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