Laura ............> > > I do however have a death certificate of Eugene showing his parents has > George and Hannah. A mother at 53 then - fair enough. bfn Alan > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Knibbs/Huff family] > > > > Laura > > > > Many thanx for sharing this with us. I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 > > others in US Census returns. > > > > It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 > > but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. > > > > I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of > Hannah's > > son George born in 1825 - the parish record actually says Ann but I think > > it's Hannah. This is his record as I have it within the database. > > > > George KNIBB > > Born c1825 > > Baptised 14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England > > Died Possibly returned to England and died 1909. > > Buried > > Occupation ?At Binghampton Ward 3 Broome NY 1870 as NIBBS a > widowed > > shoemaker > > > > Married bef1846 > > > > Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for > second) > > Born bef1828 > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > > > Children > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > -- > > > > Charles M KNIBB > > Born 20Nov1845 Minisink > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > Un-named KNIBB > > Born Oct1847 Minisink > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and > > info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the > > references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his > family. > > Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. > > > > Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could > > Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? > > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN > > Born c1827 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation Keeps house Fishkill Dutchess NY 1880 > > Father > > Mother > > > > Children > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > -- > > > > > Sarah F KNIBBS > > Born c1852 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS > > Born c1857 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation Carpet Mill worker 1880 > > > > Thomas KNIBBS > > Born c1858 Dutchess Co > > Baptised > > > > > > Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have > them > > within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too > old > > to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all > > possibilities and these seem the most likely. > > > > Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another > > matter. At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians > seeking convict > > ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via > > those born out of wedlock. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is > > > Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My > friend is > > > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA > She > > > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved > away > > > from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time > of the > > > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The > only > > > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. > > > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or > owned land Nor were > > > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. > I > > > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are > > > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much > frustration on > > > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not > know > > > much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! > > > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with > them. > > > Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I > found > > > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who > married > > > about 1906 > > > > > > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & > > > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. > It was > > > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was > Amelia > > > HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 > years and > > > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the > area > > > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF > served > > > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. > > > > > > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed > > > > > > Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years > > > Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still > > > living > > > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter > > > Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter > > > > > > by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married > > > daughter Hattie. > > > > > > 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 > > > Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years > > > Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living > > > Clifford Johnson 3 NY son > > > Wesley Johnson 1 NY son > > > Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter > > > Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living > > > > > > > > > I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. > > > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the > > > parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene > Knibbs or > > > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. > > > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - > only > > > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for > should be > > > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was > not > > > an exact match. > > > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one > > > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not > find any > > > other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether > guardianship > > > records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her > mother > > > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the > parents > > > were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? > > > Sullivan? > > > > > > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found > him > > > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel > Whitney of > > > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George > Knibb > > > age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his > > > grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been > Eugene's > > > mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so > I can not > > > use them for the DAR application. > > > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 > orange > > > co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one > and a > > > half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New > WIndsor, > > > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back > I will > > > try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I > > > search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if > the > > > person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the > town.. > > > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see > the > > > name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY > that > > > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. > > > > > > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar > > > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF > > > > > > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name > HUFF > > > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned > > > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, > > > Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 > > > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there > were > > > children. > > > > > > So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be > > > most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff > family > > > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use > as clues > > > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. > > > > > > Thank-you again for your response > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > >