Laura Many thanx for sharing this with us. I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 others in US Census returns. It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of Hannah's son George born in 1825 - the parish record actually says Ann but I think it's Hannah. This is his record as I have it within the database. George KNIBB Born c1825 Baptised 14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England Died Possibly returned to England and died 1909. Buried Occupation ?At Binghampton Ward 3 Broome NY 1870 as NIBBS a widowed shoemaker Married bef1846 Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for second) Born bef1828 Baptised Died Buried Children ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Charles M KNIBB Born 20Nov1845 Minisink Baptised Died Buried Occupation Un-named KNIBB Born Oct1847 Minisink Baptised Died Buried Occupation If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his family. Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? Elizabeth UNKNOWN Born c1827 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Keeps house Fishkill Dutchess NY 1880 Father Mother Children ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Sarah F KNIBBS Born c1852 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS Born c1857 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Carpet Mill worker 1880 Thomas KNIBBS Born c1858 Dutchess Co Baptised Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have them within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too old to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all possibilities and these seem the most likely. Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another matter. At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians seeking convict ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via those born out of wedlock. bfn Alan > > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is > Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My friend is > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA She > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved away > from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time of the > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The only > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or owned land Nor were > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. I > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much frustration on > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not know > much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with them. > Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I found > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who married > about 1906 > > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. It was > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was Amelia > HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 years and > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the area > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF served > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. > > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed > > Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years > Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still > living > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter > Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter > > by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married > daughter Hattie. > > 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 > Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years > Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living > Clifford Johnson 3 NY son > Wesley Johnson 1 NY son > Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter > Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living > > > I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the > parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene Knibbs or > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - only > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for should be > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was not > an exact match. > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not find any > other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether guardianship > records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her mother > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the parents > were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? > Sullivan? > > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found him > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel Whitney of > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George Knibb > age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his > grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been Eugene's > mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so I can not > use them for the DAR application. > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 orange > co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one and a > half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New WIndsor, > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back I will > try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I > search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if the > person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the town.. > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see the > name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY that > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. > > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF > > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name HUFF > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, > Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there were > children. > > So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be > most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff family > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use as clues > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. > > Thank-you again for your response > > Susan >