Dear Laura, Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My friend is Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA She was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved away from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time of the Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The only paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or owned land Nor were they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. I can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much frustration on that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not know much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with them. Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I found that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who married about 1906 Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. It was your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was Amelia HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 years and one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the area for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF served as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still living Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married daughter Hattie. 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living Clifford Johnson 3 NY son Wesley Johnson 1 NY son Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene Knibbs or Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - only she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for should be 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was not an exact match. In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not find any other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether guardianship records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her mother died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the parents were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? Sullivan? Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found him listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel Whitney of Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George Knibb age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been Eugene's mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so I can not use them for the DAR application. I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 orange co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one and a half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New WIndsor, and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back I will try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if the person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the town.. I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see the name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY that there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name HUFF but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there were children. So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff family through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use as clues as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. Thank-you again for your response Susan