----- Original Message ----- From: SUSANLB@aol.com To: LKNIBBS@hvc.rr.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Eugene Knibb I Laura Thank you for sending the 1860 census information. Actually I have Hard copy of all 3 census records and will explain the one n a message dated 4/29/2004 5:53:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM writes: On another page are George Knibb, 60, RR laborer, born in England Hannah Knibb, 63, respectively, born in England Abraham Doremus, 25, butcher, born in NJ or NY (hard to read) Ellen Doremus, 25, born in MY Matthew Brundage, 27, no occ. listed, born in NY Note on the left margin of the original census that both of these families are living in Dwelling No. 2031, BUT are seperate families George & Hannah Knibbs are family 2280 Abraham & Ellen Doremus & Matthew Brundage (perhaps Ellen's brother) are family 2281. One family probably owns the house and the other is probably renting. They are not necessarily related to one another. There has to be a reason why 2 Knibbs children: Eugene age 11 yr and Mary age 2 months have been "farmed out" to other families. Especially since Mary is in the household of an elderly couple. Could James and Phebe Wilson be the maternal grandparents of Mary Knibbs? What about Nathaniel and Arminda L. Bailey? Why is Eugene Knibbs in the household? Kindly neighbor's that took him in? Or was Arminta his Aunt? Or was Arminta his mother and she remarried to Nathaniel Whitney? There are infinite possibilities. The answer may lie in finding Eugene Knibbs in the 1850 census. If he was 11 years old in 1860 - was he actually born in 1849 not 1850? Or is the census in error? Anyway he will be a child 1 year old or less in the 1850 census - that is one of the things I will be looking for. From Census index entries, [I will get census copy when I get to the archives] 1840 New York George W. NIbbs resided Goshen, Orange Co., NY [He is the only Knibbs, or any variation of the name that I found in Orange Co., NY] 1850 - found 2 entries Elisa Nibbs of Hamptonburgh, Orange Co., NY George Nibbs of Minisink, Orange Co., NY I saw but did not yet copy the George Nibbs entry George Nibbs 48 England born abt 1802 Hannah Nibbs 51 England born abt 1799 Harriet Knibbs 13 NY born abt 1837 John Knibbs 4 NY born abt 1846 Joanna Knibbs 19 NY born abt 1831 Another front, I have found the first clue in finding Amelia HUFF First, as I mentioned before, there is a discrepancy in the age of Amelia as a child and Amelia as an adult. If I read the tombstone picture correctly, the birth date says 1848 not 1843 Her age in the later census records is 1880 32 years old [born 1848 1900 53 years old born Mar 1847 1910 62 years old [born 1848] 1920 71 years old [born 1849] Before her marriage - I am still looking for the 1870 census - bu t 1860 - Amelia Huff age 17 years domestic in household of James Hall that she would mean she was born in 1843 And now I have found the 1850 census Monroe, Orange Co., NY Josiah Huff 47 NY Abigail Huff 37 NY Delia Huff 11 Ny Mille Huff 7 NY born 1843 Matilda Huff 2 NY Mille in 1850 and Amelia in 1860 are the same person first age 7 then ten years later age 17. What verifies this one is that in 1880 census Amelia's married sister Matilda is in the household. It might be wise if I say a little bit more about myself, I am a CGRS, [certified genealogical records specialist] I do this for a living. I really want to hep my friend Joan, but since I don't live near Orange Co., NY I can not go look for documents that have not been published and put in the DAR library or put on microfilm. I would be happy to send you copies of any census, land, probate etc that I find in exchange for copies of records not on film or in print. I think we are going to figure this all out, it just may take a little time. I will be going to Washington the beginning of next week and will let you know what I find Sincerely, Susan L. Bingler