Tony Thank you very much for the additional information. Things are beginning to take shape. I had the marriage but understandably? hadn't linked to Florence Mabel etc etc. I've now placed her with Wilkin George KNIBB and siblings. There were some who died in infancy who I hadn't been able to allocate as of course not on later census returns. Not helped by their appearance as KNIBBS on the 1901 census. However, you having told us that Elizabeth had so many children enabled me to find them and fill in the gaps. I haven't found her re-marriage though from 1902 onwards as either KNIBB or KNIBBS. Do you have any details? I'd also not linked Edward to this family but have now done so but not able to shed any light upon John at this point in time, except that he was John William. Going further back up the line is exercising my mind! I did have Wilkin George as a possible son of another Wilkin but with doubts because of a sibling born to close for comfort. I'm pretty sure now that that Wilkin was an uncle, you having John from the marriage certificate, I guess. Their father was a William from Hinton in the Hedges if I'mnot mistaken, who perhaps married at Lighthorne and with ascendants at Middleton Cheney and thence back to Deddington. More work is required to prove but I'll report here so that other minds can perhaps contribute. I've been keen to sort out the Middleton Cheney KNIBBs for some time as we haven't any researchers with family from there. I'll post a family grouping and partial descendant list in a mo. bfn Alan > this then is what I know about the above named, my Grandmother. I have a > photo of her at about 17 wearing an army uniform! Slim and attractive, and I > believe had reddish gold hair. Later very stout! She was a wonderful person > for me, good without being goody goody, a lot of fun, loved to sing, would > enjoy a dirty joke, extremely kind and generous, intelligent and interested, > empathic, capable of losing her temper, very grounded, and a rock in her > family. My Grandad was a nice chap too! > > Elizabeth Monks, nee Knibb. Full name, I believe, was Florence Mabel Sarah > Elizabeth Mary Knibb! > Born Methodist 21st April 1900. baptised 15 May Walsall Wood Church. > Was one of a large family, > > Father George Knibb, a miner, who died when she was 3yrs old, the result of > breaking his leg in the mine. > > Mother Elizabeth Golding. > > Brother Ted, sister Annie. another younger brother John, who she lost touch > with before WW1, and we think emigrated somewhere. EG remarried and had 13 > children overall, died 1913, when betty moved to Leigh. > > George Knibb's father, > I think his father was named John, and was a carter. Married 1/4/1888 aged > 21 so probably born c 1867/5. > > I don't suppose I would have to trace this limb far without linking with a > known branch, but this may be of interest, and may connect now! > I've wondered if she descends from the 18th C minister. > >