David I had wrongly assumed they were one and the same person but just as well I didn't delete the Ploughman. I had made him a duplicate so easy to unscramble. The reference to Oxfordshire and the same period had led me to the wrong conclusion. So I will look out for a possible death of Laura's Tasmanian Thomas back in England which might be a possibilty unless he joined his cousins in America. And I also need to locate the ploughman's baptism and satisfy myself concerning the 1835 sentence and death in Paramatta. Stuart won't be encouraged to search further for me if I tell him that on the NSW website to which you referred, I found John Handley KNIBBS amongst the insolvents 1873! bfn Alan bfn Alan > It would seem that the Thomas convicted in 1835 must be a different one. > Had it been Thomas who arrived on the Mary in 1830 the details of a > second offence in Tasmania would have been recorded on the original > convict record as were the other minor offences. I certainly can't find > a death for him in Tasmania though. Of course it is not unknown for > convicts to change their names to cover their past so it doesn't mean he > didn't die here. There was only one convict named Thomas Knibbs > transported to Tasmania being the one who arrived on the Mary. > > In an earlier message you mentioned: > > "I do have a record of a Thomas KNIBBS bc1798, ploughman from > Oxfordshire, who > was transported for seven years having been sentenced on 29 July 1824 > and who > died at Parramatta NSW in 1856." > > Perhaps you were right with this one being the one who died in 1856. It > would seem likely that the Thomas convicted in 1824 may have been the > one who arrived in New South Wales in 1825 who I mentioned in an earlier > message: > > "He received a certificate of freedom on 3 Aug 1831. He arrived in NSW > on the Royal Charlotte in 1825. I found this on the Index to > Certificates of Freedom on the State Records of New South Wales site at > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/convicts/convictrecords.htm You > may like to also look at guides to their convict records at > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/publications/aibs/002/page01.htm" > > Cheers, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 7:45 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > David > > I just have as my source, Stuart KNIBBS, but that might only indicate > that he > found a Thomas NIBBS death at Paramatta NSW and that I've conjectured > it's > him, perhaps because of his age which might also have been given. > > It would be good to verify, particularly as I had from somewhere this > description which differs in some respects to the one you have given. > > Description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: Blue > > I'm not at all sure from where this comes, though I had assumed from his > > convict record on a conviction for another term of seven years in 1835. > Unless on > promtion to Constable. Does this make any sense? The difference did > set me > thinking whether there might not be two Thomases who fell foul of the > law. > > bfn > > Alan > > > I notice in information you have each posted that Thomas Nibbs died at > > > Parramatta, NSW in 1856. Having found the convict record for Thomas I > > am keen to see what else I might be able to uncover. How did you > > connect the 1856 death as being this Thomas and does the information > > recorded for his death give any other information that might help > > trace what happened between gaining his certificate of freedom and his > > > death? > > > > >