Laura My comments for what they are worth, though you've probably picked up on the points anyway. The surnames BRUNDAGE, BAILEY, WHITNEY haven't cropped up previously within the family as researched. Eugene was born 28 Feb 1850 so assuming the census was later in that year, yes he should be on the 1850 census. I do have him as Eugene W KNIBBS and the middle intiial may hold a clue. Who was baby Mary? Perhaps Susan could look again at my references to son George who was at Minisink with son Charles M born there 1847and another whose name I haven't got. I have 1848 for Amelia's death ie 80 which matches husband Eugene's age. bfn Alan > > On another page are > George Knibb, 60, RR laborer, born in England > Hannah Knibb, 63, respectively, born in England > Abraham Doremus, 25, butcher, born in NJ or NY (hard to read) > Ellen Doremus, 25, born in MY > Matthew Brundage, 27, no occ. listed, born in NY > > > > > Note on the left margin of the original census that both of these families > are living in Dwelling No. 2031, BUT are seperate families > George & Hannah Knibbs are family 2280 > Abraham & Ellen Doremus & Matthew Brundage (perhaps Ellen's brother) are > family 2281. > > One family probably owns the house and the other is probably renting. They > are not necessarily related to one another. > > There has to be a reason why 2 Knibbs children: Eugene age 11 yr and Mary > age 2 months have been "farmed out" to other families. Especially since > Mary is in the household of an elderly couple. Could James and Phebe Wilson be > the maternal grandparents of Mary Knibbs? > What about Nathaniel and Arminda L. Bailey? Why is Eugene Knibbs in the > household? Kindly neighbor's that took him in? Or was Arminta his Aunt? Or > was Arminta his mother and she remarried to Nathaniel Whitney? There are > infinite possibilities. > > The answer may lie in finding Eugene Knibbs in the 1850 census. If he was > 11 years old in 1860 - was he actually born in 1849 not 1850? Or is the > census in error? Anyway he will be a child 1 year old or less in the 1850 > census - that is one of the things I will be looking for. > > >From Census index entries, [I will get census copy when I get to the > archives] > > 1840 New York George W. NIbbs resided Goshen, Orange Co., NY [He is the > only Knibbs, or any variation of the name that I found in Orange Co., NY] > > 1850 - found 2 entries > Elisa Nibbs of Hamptonburgh, Orange Co., NY > George Nibbs of Minisink, Orange Co., NY > > I saw but did not yet copy the George Nibbs entry > George Nibbs 48 England born abt 1802 > Hannah Nibbs 51 England born abt 1799 > Harriet Knibbs 13 NY born abt 1837 > John Knibbs 4 NY born abt 1846 > Joanna Knibbs 19 NY born abt 1831 > > > Another front, I have found the first clue in finding Amelia HUFF > First, as I mentioned before, there is a discrepancy in the age of Amelia as > a child and Amelia as an adult. If I read the tombstone picture correctly, > the birth date says 1848 not 1843 > > > Her age in the later census records is > 1880 32 years old [born 1848 > 1900 53 years old born Mar 1847 > 1910 62 years old [born 1848] > 1920 71 years old [born 1849] > > > Before her marriage - I am still looking for the 1870 census - bu > t > > 1860 - Amelia Huff age 17 years domestic in household of James Hall > that she would mean she was born in 1843 > > And now I have found the 1850 census > Monroe, Orange Co., NY > Josiah Huff 47 NY > Abigail Huff 37 NY > Delia Huff 11 Ny > Mille Huff 7 NY born 1843 > Matilda Huff 2 NY > > Mille in 1850 and Amelia in 1860 are the same person first age 7 then ten > years later age 17. What verifies this one is that in 1880 census Amelia's > married sister Matilda is in the household. > > It might be wise if I say a little bit more about myself, I am a CGRS, > [certified genealogical records specialist] I do this for a living. I really > want to hep my friend Joan, but since I don't live near Orange Co., NY I can > not go look for documents that have not been published and put in the DAR > library or put on microfilm. I would be happy to send you copies of any census, > land, probate etc that I find in exchange for copies of records not on film > or in print. I think we are going to figure this all out, it just may take > a little time. I will be going to Washington the beginning of next week and > will let you know what I find > > Sincerely, > > Susan L. Bingler > >

Hi Alan No I didn't pick up on any of surnames clues; We are just finding more info since soon came into the picture. I forward her emails to you because I trust you'll have facts and knowledge. I will forward email to Susan. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Eugene Knibb > Laura > > My comments for what they are worth, though you've probably picked up on the > points anyway. > > The surnames BRUNDAGE, BAILEY, WHITNEY haven't cropped up previously within > the family as researched. > > Eugene was born 28 Feb 1850 so assuming the census was later in that year, > yes he should be on the 1850 census. I do have him as Eugene W KNIBBS and the > middle intiial may hold a clue. > > Who was baby Mary? Perhaps Susan could look again at my references to son > George who was at Minisink with son Charles M born there 1847and another whose > name I haven't got. > > I have 1848 for Amelia's death ie 80 which matches husband Eugene's age. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > > On another page are > > George Knibb, 60, RR laborer, born in England > > Hannah Knibb, 63, respectively, born in England > > Abraham Doremus, 25, butcher, born in NJ or NY (hard to read) > > Ellen Doremus, 25, born in MY > > Matthew Brundage, 27, no occ. listed, born in NY > > > > > > > > > > Note on the left margin of the original census that both of these families > > are living in Dwelling No. 2031, BUT are seperate families > > George & Hannah Knibbs are family 2280 > > Abraham & Ellen Doremus & Matthew Brundage (perhaps Ellen's brother) are > > family 2281. > > > > One family probably owns the house and the other is probably renting. They > > are not necessarily related to one another. > > > > There has to be a reason why 2 Knibbs children: Eugene age 11 yr and Mary > > age 2 months have been "farmed out" to other families. Especially since > > Mary is in the household of an elderly couple. Could James and Phebe Wilson be > > the maternal grandparents of Mary Knibbs? > > What about Nathaniel and Arminda L. Bailey? Why is Eugene Knibbs in the > > household? Kindly neighbor's that took him in? Or was Arminta his Aunt? Or > > was Arminta his mother and she remarried to Nathaniel Whitney? There are > > infinite possibilities. > > > > The answer may lie in finding Eugene Knibbs in the 1850 census. If he was > > 11 years old in 1860 - was he actually born in 1849 not 1850? Or is the > > census in error? Anyway he will be a child 1 year old or less in the 1850 > > census - that is one of the things I will be looking for. > > > > >From Census index entries, [I will get census copy when I get to the > > archives] > > > > 1840 New York George W. NIbbs resided Goshen, Orange Co., NY [He is the > > only Knibbs, or any variation of the name that I found in Orange Co., NY] > > > > 1850 - found 2 entries > > Elisa Nibbs of Hamptonburgh, Orange Co., NY > > George Nibbs of Minisink, Orange Co., NY > > > > I saw but did not yet copy the George Nibbs entry > > George Nibbs 48 England born abt 1802 > > Hannah Nibbs 51 England born abt 1799 > > Harriet Knibbs 13 NY born abt 1837 > > John Knibbs 4 NY born abt 1846 > > Joanna Knibbs 19 NY born abt 1831 > > > > > > Another front, I have found the first clue in finding Amelia HUFF > > First, as I mentioned before, there is a discrepancy in the age of Amelia as > > a child and Amelia as an adult. If I read the tombstone picture correctly, > > the birth date says 1848 not 1843 > > > > > > Her age in the later census records is > > 1880 32 years old [born 1848 > > 1900 53 years old born Mar 1847 > > 1910 62 years old [born 1848] > > 1920 71 years old [born 1849] > > > > > > Before her marriage - I am still looking for the 1870 census - bu > > t > > > > 1860 - Amelia Huff age 17 years domestic in household of James Hall > > that she would mean she was born in 1843 > > > > And now I have found the 1850 census > > Monroe, Orange Co., NY > > Josiah Huff 47 NY > > Abigail Huff 37 NY > > Delia Huff 11 Ny > > Mille Huff 7 NY born 1843 > > Matilda Huff 2 NY > > > > Mille in 1850 and Amelia in 1860 are the same person first age 7 then ten > > years later age 17. What verifies this one is that in 1880 census Amelia's > > married sister Matilda is in the household. > > > > It might be wise if I say a little bit more about myself, I am a CGRS, > > [certified genealogical records specialist] I do this for a living. I really > > want to hep my friend Joan, but since I don't live near Orange Co., NY I can > > not go look for documents that have not been published and put in the DAR > > library or put on microfilm. I would be happy to send you copies of any census, > > land, probate etc that I find in exchange for copies of records not on film > > or in print. I think we are going to figure this all out, it just may take > > a little time. I will be going to Washington the beginning of next week and > > will let you know what I find > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Susan L. Bingler > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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