Laura and Allen, Have copied Thomas Knibbs' convict record and will post it on the Yahoo group later. I will also email you each a copy. If anyone else would like a copy let me know. Hopefully I will scan the documents before I leave work today but the computer with the scanner is being used by someone at the moment. The actual convict record is difficult to read at A4 size so if needed I can send A3 copies by snail mail if the smaller copy does not enlarge well. Much of the document is faded and difficult to read at any size. In the meantime I will include below details that were contained on the description for Thomas Knibbs that was with his records. I am also sending this document later. Name: Thomas Knibbs Trade: Farmer and Cattle Doctor Height without shoes: 5 feet 7 3/4 inches Age: 31 Complexion: Dark Head: Large Hair: d bro (dark brown) Whiskers: d bro (" ") Visage: long (face) Forehead: ppen dic (perpendicular) wrinkled Eyebrows: d bro (dark brown) arched Eyes: Grey Nose: ML (medium length) Mouth: MW (medium width) Under lip thick Chin: long Remarks; Long scar betw (between) fr (finger) & thumb left hand On the right of the form are his number (No. 266) and Roxton Oxford I also discovered the appropriation list for the 'Mary'. This was the list of which settlers the convicts were assigned to on arrival in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). Thomas was assigned to J and C Franks. They were brothers and had property at Green Ponds and the surrounding districts. Green Ponds is now called Kempton. Regards, David -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: Monday, 17 May 2004 1:06 PM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 Dave Thomas Nibbs is, I believe, George Knibbs' brother , yes I'm would like you to email me a copy of anything you have for Tom and/or his family. Thanks Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura and Alan, > > I went back and had another look at the convict record for Thomas > Nibbs transported in 1829. I was initially unable to make out the 'Native Place' on the convict record but used a better reader this time and it was not Balscott. Native Place was listed as Roxton. Given that these details were recorded once the convict arrived in Tasmania it would seem likely that this was Wroxton which is very close to Balscote (which I am assuming is how Balscott is now spelt). If you agree that I am correct in my assumptions then I will obtain a copy of the record and other related documents which I will email to Laura and anyone else who may be interested. I will also post it on the Yahoo Group. In the meantime I did note details from the record which are outlined below. The information in brackets are my comments: > > Thomas Nibbs > Per Mary > Arrived April 9 1830 > Tried Middlesex 10 September 1829 - 14 years > Transported for embezzlement > Gaol Report - Not known (means this was likely his first conviction at least in the area in which the crime was committed) > Hulk Report - Good (behaviour on the hulk - Hulks were unseaworthy > ships moored as places to hold prisoners until ships for transportation were available due to there being insufficient gaols to hold the numbers convicted.) > Appears that the amount embezzled was £2.17.6 (although this section > was difficult to read) > Wife Mary Nibbs at Roxton, Oxfordshire living on a little property of > mine Married with 3 children > > Conduct in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) > April 3 1835, Constable (his position), Neglect of duty by being > asleep on his post, Treadwheel 48 hours and pay stopped. > November 26 1835, Constable, Insolence to Mr Hamilton, admonished Nov > 15 1836, Ticket of Leave (his current status, meaning he was allowed to seek work anywhere in the colony with permission but was still considered a convict) suspicion of felony, guilty of a gross fraud, Ticket of Leave revoked and recommended to be employed on the roads on probation for 12 months - St Peters Pass Road Party and conduct to be reported > March 30 1838, Ticket of Leave, Out after hours, reprimanded April 6 > 1839, T of L, Gross misconduct, Hard labour out of chains for 12 months and T of L suspended, Recommended to be removed to the Cornwall side of the island (Northern half of Tasmania) > March 1840 T of L, Misconduct in attempting to take improper liberties with Sarah Birtles, the wife of William Birtles - There being a doubt in the minds of the Justices case dismissed but ordered to leave the district of Campbell Town (in northern midlands of Tasmania. > Dec 26 1840 Misconduct in inducing the men of the government ... to > carry a log of wood for him, 7 days cells > 31 July 1841 Duffey (his employer at that time), out after hours and carrying on an unlawful correspondence with the wife of John Ferguson, acquitted > 1 October 1841 Smoking on the tread mill, 3 days solitary confinement > Nov 30 1841 Larceny, discharged Oct 31 1842, misconduct, admonished > > Free certificate number 842, 1843 > > At the bottom of the record are abbreviations of some of the places he lived whist a convict. Some of these I could make out, as follows: > > 1836: Oatlands (In the southern midlands about 1 hours drive north of Hobart) > 1837: Bothwell (On the way to the central highlands of Tasmania) 1839 > and 1842: Richmond (About 30 minutes drive from Hobart) 22 July 1842: > Norfolk Plains (name used for the district surrounding Longford, about 20 minutes south of Launceston in the north of Tasmania) > > Hope all of this is of interest and will help in deciphering the > record when I send it. > > Cheers, > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: Monday, 3 May 2004 11:58 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Dear Dave, > > George and Hannah are my husband's Great Great Great Grandparents > > Eugene is my husband's Great great Grandfather; Eugene was married to Amelia Huff Knibbs. > > Laura > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM > Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > Laura, > > > > As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you > > have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone > > who came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are > > connected to George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand > > from Alan's message how they connect to the Thomas who came to > > Tasmania. I am not a descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs > > from Buckinghamshire who also came to Tasmania as a convict. However > > as I still live in Tasmania I am happy to look up things for others > > as I get time. > > > > Regards, > > David Boon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM > > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > Alan > > > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I > > know where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Laura > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > > David > > > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > > > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was > > > the > > transportation of > > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I > > > obtained > > that but > > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was > > > the third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of > > > the George who > > married > > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: > > > Brown > > > Eyes: Blue > > > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > > > misdemeanour > > out > > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was > > > 'promoted' > > > > > to > > the > > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions > > > the ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > > > bfn > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire > > > > on 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept > > > > 1825. Their parents were Thomas and Mary. 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