Don Replying in line; > I've looked up the bits I know of Francis, his marriage to Mary Anne SODEN > and the kids from the marriage. > > There is a significant age difference between this Francis and Mary Anne - > 27 years. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the Steeple Barton PR transcript > against the marriage to confirm Francis' age when he married or whether or > not he was a widower. It was a trifle early for that type of information to > However am I right in saying that this Francis' parents were there suggesting it is him rather than Francis bp 1793. > > We can however learn quite a bit from the will of Francis KNIBBS who married > Mary Anne SODEN, but reading through, there is nothing to confirm or deny > that we have the right Francis. The will confirms his marriage to Mary Anne, > the name of their children, a later marriage to an Unknown Ann and more > children from that marriage. If indeed it is the right Francis, he was > producing babies up till he was 70-odd years old! We know that when the will > was written in January 1852, that this Francis was living at Islington in > London. Finally, we know that the will was proved on 10th May 1856, so > Francis must have died shortly before then. > > I wonder if perhaps Bob can see a Francis death at about this time. An age > Too early for GRO indices to give age at death but the certificate can be ordered. I have the full reference. Bob came up with this. ''I have been checking the two trees you sent re Francis 1757? to 1856 m Mary Soden. In which you expressed doubt that we had the right Francis. ...the following from the IGI Francis and Ann Knibbs Living in Worcester [Ann POWELL infact and wedding 1794] Children Sarah 1797 Francis 1803 Henry 1805 James 1807'' Francis dies 1813 in Worcester with age given in Parish Register which equates to an 1867 date of birth. Coincidence or what? bfn Alan

Alan/Bob, All we have in the PR is Francis KNIBBS, Steeple Barton, Mary SODEN, Steeple Barton, so nothing that helps at all. There are no Banns at Deddington that help either. The information from Bob re the Fancis/Ann marriage is interesting and certainly adds further doubt to the marriage between Francis b. 1767 and Mary SODEN. The marriage of Francis b. 1767 to Ann POWELL is certainly a better match. It may of course be coincidental that 3 of the children from the Francis and Ann POWELL are named after siblings of Francis b. 1767 - the 4th after Francis himself. The date of Francis' death equating to a birth in 1767 would seem to be pretty conclusive. I wonder how we can verify it all? >From what I'm seeing, I'm pretty sure the current Francis KNIBBS/Mary SODEN marriage is incorrect. What Bob has found look very much like it is the correct marriage of Francis b. Deddington 1767. The Francis b. Deddington 1793 is more likely to be the one who married Mary SODEN, but who does he belong to? He's not one of mine. If we're right, someone's in line for a pleasant surprise. If you can think of which certificates we need to get hold of to solve the mystery for good, let me know and I'd be happy to dig into my pocket! Back to the original topic, does it get you any closer to linking the two families with the drinking Edwins? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Edwins galore > Don > > Replying in line; > > > I've looked up the bits I know of Francis, his marriage to Mary Anne SODEN > > and the kids from the marriage. > > > > There is a significant age difference between this Francis and Mary Anne - > > 27 years. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the Steeple Barton PR transcript > > against the marriage to confirm Francis' age when he married or whether or > > not he was a widower. It was a trifle early for that type of information to > > > > However am I right in saying that this Francis' parents were there suggesting > it is him rather than Francis bp 1793. > > > > > We can however learn quite a bit from the will of Francis KNIBBS who married > > Mary Anne SODEN, but reading through, there is nothing to confirm or deny > > that we have the right Francis. The will confirms his marriage to Mary Anne, > > the name of their children, a later marriage to an Unknown Ann and more > > children from that marriage. If indeed it is the right Francis, he was > > producing babies up till he was 70-odd years old! We know that when the will > > was written in January 1852, that this Francis was living at Islington in > > London. Finally, we know that the will was proved on 10th May 1856, so > > Francis must have died shortly before then. > > > > I wonder if perhaps Bob can see a Francis death at about this time. An age > > > > Too early for GRO indices to give age at death but the certificate can be > ordered. I have the full reference. > > > Bob came up with this. > > ''I have been checking the two trees you sent re Francis 1757? > to 1856 m Mary Soden. In which you expressed doubt that > we had the right Francis. > > ...the following from the IGI > > Francis and Ann Knibbs > Living in Worcester [Ann POWELL infact and wedding 1794] > Children > Sarah 1797 > Francis 1803 > Henry 1805 > James 1807'' > > Francis dies 1813 in Worcester with age given in Parish Register which > equates to an 1867 date of birth. Coincidence or what? > > bfn > > Alan > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >