After the meeting at Warwick I have decided to start a Database of all K/nibb/s that have taken up residence in the London Middx area or have passed though to other southern counties. In order to build this Tree I am asking for help from all listers whose research has shown a lead into London/Middx. The idea is to eleminate those already documented and maybe find further links/ individuals not previously associated with that line. This will aid me in identifying the unknowns for further research. If you have time I would appreciate a copy of any branch into Lon/Midx that you have starting with the parents and place from which they came. >From this I can then notify everyone of any inward outward movements which may tie in with their own research but has not yet been noted. Regards to all Bob Knibbs

Bob, This sounds like a very useful piece of research. From the Warwick meeting I drew the conclusion that there may well have been lots of pockets of Knibbs in London but as yet, with no known common source of origin. The only KNIBBS that I've come across with definite residence in London are as follows. The source for this data, unless identified otherwise is from the PR Transcripts so very reliable. FIRST GENERATION: Frances KNIBBS, bap. 2 Aug 1767 at Deddington Oxon. son of Richard KNIBBS and Sarah BIGNELL, both baptised at Deddington, Oxon. Francis married Mary Ann SODEN, bap. 3 Jan 1794 at Sandford St. Martin, Oxon. We know from Francis will that he was living at No.4 Maberley Place Balls Pond Islington in the county of Middlesex when his will was written in Jan 1852. His occupation when his children were baptised was listed as Saddler or sometimes Saddler & Victualler. He is identified as "Gentleman" in his will. We also know from Francis' will that he remarried to an Ann Unknown somewhen between 1828 and 1838 (source - Francis' will) SECOND GENERATION: Francis & Mary had 5 children: Emily Marianne bap. 25 Jun 1820 at Steeple Barton, Oxon. Edwin George bap. 14 Oct 1821 at Steeple Barton, Oxon (source - IGI) George Edwin bap. 17 Oct 1823 at Westcot Barton (source - IGI) Oxon, bur Steeple Barton 19 Jul 1824 Isabella Mary bap. 30 Aug 1825 at Westcote Barton, Oxon (source - IGI) George Edwin Clark bap. 13 Oct 1828 at Westcote Barton, Oxon (source - IGI) Whilst the last four baptisms are from the IGI, Emily, Edwin George, Isabella and George Edwin Clark are all identified in the will of Francis. The Steeple Barton PR transcript shows that George Edwin died as an infant in Steeple Barton. The IGI says that George Edwin Clark died in the Crimean war in 1854. Francis and his second wife Ann had two children: Jane Ann bap. unknown (source - Francis' will) Francis Edward bap. 30 Sep 1838 at Stepney, London (source - IGI and Francis' will) THIRD GENERATION: Edwin George is believed to have married Elizabeth OMAN at St. Dunstan, Stepney, London (source - IGI) and to have had two children, Edwin William bap. 27 Mar 1844 at St. Dunstan, Stepney, London (source - IGI) and Elizabeth bap. 1 Jun 1845 at St Dunstan, Stepney, London (source - IGI). George Edwin Clark KNIBBS is believed to have married Elizabeth BEASLEY in 1848 at Plumstead, Kent (source - IGI)and to have had two daughters Ellen bap. 1849 at Plumstead (source - IGI) and Emily bap. 1853 at Plumstead (source - IGI). Francis Edward, the son of Francis and Ann Unknown is believed to have married Amelia Unknown in 1872 at Poplar, East london (source - Alan and the GRO). They had two children Francis bap. 1875 at Southward, London (you gave me this from the 1881 census) and Amelia bap. 1878 at Poplar, East London (you also gave me this from the 1881 census). That I'm afraid is where the trail ends. Good luck! Don

Bob, I have one London area connection...but not much information: Ann Knibbs -- a spinster married George Brashier, a bricklayer at St. Mary's Parish Church at Lambeth 15, Sep, 1856. Ann's father is listed as John Knibbs a harness maker and George's father is listed as Henry Brashier a laborer. Joseph Brashier and Ann Rusell witnessed the marriage. They were married by Lewis F. Potter, Curate. Ann was born 22 Mar 1829 -- but I don't know where. This date is from her tombstone. George and Ann had a daughter Catherine Fanny Brashier, christened 11 Jan 1857 at St. John the Evangelist, Lambeth. Cousin Ada Watsonn says that she was told that Catherine Fanny died from a fall during infancy in England. She had apparently been left in the care of a "baby sitter" who dropped her. They also had a son born in England -- John Henry Brashier christened 13 Jun 1858 at St. John the Evangelist, Lambeth. I believe the family left England shortly after that but I do not have birth or christening dates for the subsequent sons: Ira, Thomas and Fred who died of spinal meningitis in Crawford Co, WI, USA in 1872. Other children were: Arthur (G.A.?) Arthur drowned in the Mississippi River at Lynxville as a child. My Great Grandma Frye used to cry about it saying that he was playing with a dog and either the dog jumped in or bumped him and he fell into the river. A man standing there saw what happened and later told Ann Knibbs Brashier that he would have jumped in and saved him if he hadn't had on his best suit of clothes...Grandma Fry cried and said she would happily have bought him the best set of clothes he'd ever seen if he'd saved her brother. Alice would have been a very young child -- I believe she was expressing the anguish she had heard from her mother for many years. And Alice Amelia Brashier McCartney Frye-- my Great Grandmother the youngest child. I do not know where Ann, her father John and Ann's brother John were from. Ann and George were my great great grandparents. John Knibbs (Ann's brother) also came to Wisconsin and married Amelia (unknown last name) in 1858 in Mineral Point, Grant Co., WI -- was a Methodist Circuit Minister in that area and died as a result of frostbite from being lost 4 days in a snowstorm during ministerial rounds in 1884. I am looking for information about their children which I believe consisted of three daughters, one named Nellie. I gave you all this extraneous information in case some of the Christian names fit into a family pattern. I hope this is helpful to you. - Cathy ----- Original Message ----- > ... > If you have time I would appreciate a copy of any branch into Lon/Midx > that you have starting with the parents and place from which they came. > >From this I can then notify everyone of any inward outward movements > which may tie in with their own research but has not yet been noted. > > Regards to all > > Bob Knibbs >