Don/Bob et al Can anyone link these two trees? Note in particular the Edwins who all seem, from census info, to be related to drink, if not to each other! Both families stem from Oxfordshire, pass through London and end up in Christchurch - via the US :-) Do you have certificates for any of them, Bob? I'm having doubts about Francis being born c1767 unless he indeed married a previous time where possibly the connection is to be found. There is though a later Francis baptised at Deddington who might fit more happily with the 1818 marriage. What became of the other anyway? Baffled Alan EXTRACTS FROM K/NIBB/S DATABASE - 17 October 2001 E&OE Francis KNIBBS c1767? - 2Qtr1856 = ( 7May1818) Mary Anne SODEN c1794 - bef1832 |__Emily Marianne KNIBBS c1820 | = ( 4Qtr1839) William PHELPS bef1823 |__Edwin George KNIBBS 1821 - 27Jun1884 | = (28May1843) Elizabeth OMAN c1825 - a1884 | |__Edwin William KNIBBS 1Qtr1844 - 4Qtr1883 | | = ( 1Qtr1870) Hannah UNKNOWN c1846 | | |__Louisa Mary A KNIBBS 1Qtr1871 | | |__Elizabeth KNIBBS 3Qtr1877 | | |__Florence KNIBBS 2Qtr1880 - 4Qtr1883 | | |__Edwin George KNIBBS 3Qtr1873 - 2Qtr1927 | |__Elizabeth KNIBBS 2Qtr1845 | |__George KNIBBS 1Qtr1863 |__George Edwin KNIBBS c1823 - Jul1824 |__Isabella Mary KNIBBS c1825 | = ( 4Mar1846) Charles FRANCIS |__George Edwin Clark KNIBBS c1828 - 1854 = ( 1Qtr1848) Elizabeth BEASLEY 1823 |__Ellen KNIBBS 4Qtr1848 |__Emily KNIBBS 8Nov1851 = (21May1881) Richard HOLLOWAY bef1865 - 18Jun1941 = (1839) Ann UNKNOWN bef1822 |__Jane Ann KNIBBS bef1838 | = ( 2Qtr1861) UNKNOWN bef1845 |__Francis Edward KNIBBS 4Qtr1838 - 29Sep1899 = ( 4Qtr1872) Amelia UNKNOWN c1841 - 4Qtr1934 |__Francis KNIBBS 1Qtr1875 - 4Qtr1920 |__Amelia KNIBBS 1Qtr1878 - 1Qtr1878 |__George Thomas KNIBBS c1878 - 2Qtr1878 Henry KNIBBS c1805 - 2Qtr1879 = (14Feb1829) Ann WALFORD c1805 - 1Qtr1874 |__William H KNIBBS c1830 |__John KNIBBS c1832 |__George KNIBBS c1834 - 2Qtr1926 | = ( 2Qtr1862) Sarah UNKNOWN c1838 - 3Qtr1889 | |__Arthur Sidney KNIBBS c1860 - 4Qtr1941 | | = ( 4Qtr1888) UNKNOWN bef1872 | | |__Arthur Sydney KNIBBS 2Qtr1890 - 3Qtr1921 | |__Walter G KNIBBS 4Qtr1866 - 4Qtr1952 | |__Ethel Maud C KNIBBS 3Qtr1870 | | = ( 3Qtr1901) UNKNOWN | |__Ernest Henry KNIBBS 4Qtr1873 | | = ( 3Qtr1902) Amelia UNKNOWN c1878 - 1Qtr1962 | | |__Richard Burden KNIBBS c1908 - 13Oct1944 | | = Norah Mary H FRANKLIN c1897 - Feb2000 | | |__Brenda KNIBBS bef1945 | | = UNKNOWN | |__Hilda May KNIBBS 23Jan1876 - 1Qtr1970 |__Richard KNIBBS c1837 | = ( 2Qtr1860) UNKNOWN bef1845 |__Edwin KNIBBS 2Qtr1840 - 2Qtr1924 | = ( 1Aug1865) Elizabeth Margaret VENABLES c1842 - 1Qtr1867 | |__Edwin John KNIBBS 3Qtr1866 - 3Qtr1935 | = ( 2Qtr1892) UNKNOWN bef1876 | |__Maud M KNIBBS ?? | | = ( 2Qtr1916) Unknown DUNTON bef1900 | |__Thomas KNIBBS ?? | | = ( 2Qtr1914) Unknown COUCH bef1898 | |__Geoffrey Venables KNIBBS 11Mar1893 - 1Qtr1978 | | = ( 4Qtr1914) Unknown JONES bef1898 | |__Thora Heath KNIBBS 4Qtr1895 - 1Qtr1899 | = (bef1870) Charlotte UNKNOWN c1842 - 4Qtr1917 | |__Edith Jessie KNIBBS 3Qtr1869 | |__Charlotte Ella KNIBBS 3Qtr1871 | | = ( 4Qtr1893) UNKNOWN bef1877 | |__Kate Constance KNIBBS 1Qtr1874 | |__Arthur Venables KNIBBS 2Qtr1878 - 2Qtr1946 | = ( 1Qtr1900) UNKNOWN |__Henry KNIBBS 3Qtr1847 |__Elizabeth KNIBBS 1Qtr1851 = ( 4Qtr1873) UNKNOWN bef1857

Further to my last, I can now see the other Deddington Francis that Alan suggests fits more happily with the 1818 marriage to Mary Anne SODEN. I agree, this Francis, baptised Sep 1793 looks to be a much better fit than the one baptised in 1767. He's of a similar age to Mary Anne (slightly older). Sadly, whilst I can see his baptism at Deddington I can't find any connection to my line, so this theory (which I must admit I'm coming to accept as the more likely marriage) blasts a huge chunk out of my data. It's not a major loss - just my link into London. Does anyone have a connection to Francis' parents, Thomas & Hannah KNIBBS, known to be making babies in Deddington between 1791 and 1796? The Deddington children were John Wells KNIBBS, bap 1791, Francis KNIBBS, bap. 1793, and George, bap. 1796. Maybe the "Wells" as a second Christian name gives a clue? Don