What does Father Christmas call one of his reindeer with no eyes? No idea! Sorry for that and for the virus alert hoax re sulfnbk.exe. Fortunately, as you will have seen, no harm done if, like me, you followed the instructions to delete the file. It is not a vital one and can be omitted from Windows but <A HREF="http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html">http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html</A> explains how to reinstate it. Why Microsoft assigned the ugly black icon to it, I haven't been able to find out, but no doubt someone spotted that and hence the scam. Don's unplaced list which I referred to last time has already paid dividends. Cathy CLIFF found on it her Ann KNIBBS and father John a saddler. Well done both. Thanks to Michael HICKMAN [my good friend not a subscriber], the database now has within it a perukemaker - wig maker to you and me. He is Thomas KNIBB who was in Cambridge with wife Rebecca for the baptism of three children 1764-66. I just wonder if he wasn't Rose-Marie's [brother of Samuel who married Elizabeth MEADOWS] who came back to Kettering from London to be buried 1768. He had a surviving daughter Rebecca who may be the one who married William NEWMAN in Kettering in 1793. Kite flying but leads me to her [Rose-Marie's] real brother [Professor Michael] whom I should have included in my birthday wishes last time around. Sioux spotted a reference to it in the Guardian newspaper no less. On Sunday, there was a very interesting programme on BBC TV about the human genome. One laboratory examined some DNA, taken unbeknownst to them from the presenter, Professor Robert Winston, and were able to predict from where his family had originated - Palestine. They did this by consulting their huge database which shows the proportion of people in a particular country with the same male X chromosone. I wonder if K/NIBB/S samples would similarly pinpoint a location but I suspect not. Most British families will have emanated from Northern Europe and spread widely there [and into the New World] such that there are no longer 'hot spot' concentrations at the original places. Only my guess though. I gather that Leicester University are now carrying out a study on the CLARE family DNA. Wouldn't it be great if we could find a University that would take on the K/NIBB/S? As you know, Muriel is head of the queue re providing a sample. Anyone else in line or able to provide an intro to an academic or research establishment? Not perhaps the jolliest of discussions that will take place around the Christmas turkey. Perfect opportunity though to chat about K/NIBB/S past and present. bfn Alan