Don Once again thanx for this. I had been given Allen rather than Albert from a transcription of the 1891 Birmingham census. I now see his birth as Albert Edward and have his marriage and subsequent death in 1945. You'll see from Birth list that Victor died in 1910. FreeBMD gives us Jessie TITMUS for marriage 01qtr1886 and birth 03qtr 1862 Birmingham District. The 1881 census gave Turweston as Edward's birthplace which is where his parents married. His father though came from Whitfield where he links into the other KNIBBS born there. bfn Alan > The following was passed on to me by a colleague - again, probably nothing > new but passed on just in case! > > Don > > rg12/2418 1+ f23 p39 > > 96 Dollman St > > Edward KNIBBS,h,m,m,28,railway carman, NTH, Whitfield > Jessie,w,m,f,28,WAR, Birmingham > Albert,s,s,m,4,WAR,Birmingham > Victor,s,s,m,1,WAR,Birmingham >