Ritchie Great find! I have her from a census return but no sisters, so have to find them and their marriages. I've conjectured that father was Walter James KNIBB from London and his father James KNIBBS (bc1805) who married someone called Ann. An uncle of Charlotte's was perhaps William Robert KNIBBS, also in Indiana with wife Eliza J and three daughters, Harriet, Emma and Catherine. bfn Alan > > The Sheboygan Press (Sheboygan, Wisconsin), Sept. 17, 1940. "MRS HORTON IS > BURIED SATURDAY AFTER LAST RITES. Greenbush -- (Special)-- Funeral services > for > Mrs.John Horton, 68, who died last Wednesday were held Saturday afternoon, > at > the Methodist Church with burial in Greenbush cemetery. The Rev. John Perry > > presided. Pallbearers were E.B. Mayhew, Alfred Herges, Homer Melvin, > Adrian > DeSmidt, Frank Chapman, and Allen Stannard. Nee Charlotte Knibbs, she was > born June 9, 1872, at Laconia, Ind. daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Knibbs. > She > married John Horton on Nov. 20, m 1888. Survivors are her husband, the Rev. > > John Horton, three children, John, Jr., of Whitewater, Wis., Mrs. Frank > (Fay) > Fletcher and Paul, of Wauwatosu, seven grandchildren, and three sisters, > Mrs. > Charles Huser, of Houston, Tex; Mrs. Anna Grandlar of Terre Haute, Ind.; and > > Mrs. Frank Gottman of Evansville, Ind." >

The Sheboygan Press (Sheboygan, Wisconsin), Sept. 17, 1940. "MRS HORTON IS BURIED SATURDAY AFTER LAST RITES. Greenbush -- (Special)-- Funeral services for Mrs.John Horton, 68, who died last Wednesday were held Saturday afternoon, at the Methodist Church with burial in Greenbush cemetery. The Rev. John Perry presided. Pallbearers were E.B. Mayhew, Alfred Herges, Homer Melvin, Adrian DeSmidt, Frank Chapman, and Allen Stannard. Nee Charlotte Knibbs, she was born June 9, 1872, at Laconia, Ind. daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Knibbs. She married John Horton on Nov. 20, m 1888. Survivors are her husband, the Rev. John Horton, three children, John, Jr., of Whitewater, Wis., Mrs. Frank (Fay) Fletcher and Paul, of Wauwatosu, seven grandchildren, and three sisters, Mrs. Charles Huser, of Houston, Tex; Mrs. Anna Grandlar of Terre Haute, Ind.; and Mrs. Frank Gottman of Evansville, Ind."

Laura > Yes.....My Cousin Kathy Knibbs' sister-in-law is "The Knibbs" I did get as far as discovering that her name was Andrea via an internet search but I don't seem to have her on 'your/Kathy's tree'. Is it possible, please, for you to send me a copy of the branch off-list? bfn Alan

Alan: I am not sure if you already have these transcriptions. I found them on the following web site http://www.islandnet.com/bccfa/ Name: Maurice T. Knibbs Cemetery - Royal Oak Burial Park (Section M) Location - Victoria, Falaise Drive Region - Vancouver Island, Reference - VGS-ROBP-MRK Name: A.G.F. Knibb Cemetery - Mountain Vicew Location - Vancouver, Fraser Street Region - South Western Reference - BCGS-C-62 Name: Bridgette D. Knibb Cemetery - Prince George Municipal Location - Prince George, Ferry Avenue Region - North-Northwestern Referencew - PRFHS Name: Henry Knibb Cemetery - St.Helen's Anglican Location - Surrey, 108th Avenue Region - South Western reference - BCGS-C-40 Name: Moses Nibb Cemetery - Ross Bay Burial Permit Location - Victoria Farirfield Road Region - Vancouver Island Reference - COVA bfn Joyce

Yes.....My Cousin Kathy Knibbs' sister-in-law is "The Knibbs" Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] SMITH & KNIBBS - Anyone heard of them? > Cosmetic surgery gets a media makeover > By Susan T. Port, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer > Sunday, May 9, 2004 > BOCA RATON -- Dr. Jeffrey Ganeles was watching an episode of the reality show > Extreme Makeover when he took exception to the treatment a cosmetic dentist > offered for a patient. > > So the 46-year-old periodontist from Boca Raton called the ABC-TV show and > suggested that the producers give him a chance. That move landed him the first > of two appearances on the show, but the resulting media attention -- "phone > calls and e-mails from around the country and worldwide" -- prompted him to do > something an increasing number of cosmetic surgeons are doing. > > He hired a public relations firm. > > "I thought it would be better to have people who specialize in contact and > placing stories," said Ganeles, who signed on with Smith & Knibbs of Deerfield > Beach in January. > > .............................. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Cosmetic surgery gets a media makeover By Susan T. Port, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 9, 2004 BOCA RATON -- Dr. Jeffrey Ganeles was watching an episode of the reality show Extreme Makeover when he took exception to the treatment a cosmetic dentist offered for a patient. So the 46-year-old periodontist from Boca Raton called the ABC-TV show and suggested that the producers give him a chance. That move landed him the first of two appearances on the show, but the resulting media attention -- "phone calls and e-mails from around the country and worldwide" -- prompted him to do something an increasing number of cosmetic surgeons are doing. He hired a public relations firm. "I thought it would be better to have people who specialize in contact and placing stories," said Ganeles, who signed on with Smith & Knibbs of Deerfield Beach in January. ..............................

> Indeed 'The Times' archive revealed a number of useful items which I've added > to the database for future reference. Probably more to find if it's still up > and running. It is still up and running this morning. If anyone is still being asked for a password (which I think happens to some people) it's been suggested that the password "trial" works (without the quotes). I've not tried it because I've never hit a page asking for a password. Don

........I've held back a couple because the families would not welcome further publicity. I don't want to fall out with anyone, nor create 'bad blood' between me and them. I've certainly heard the expression in that sort of context here in the UK, Beverly, not that I've used it myself until now. The Port Pirie Recorder, South Australia reports... ... The team will be Shannan Kelly, Fiona Aldridge, Rachel Stevens, Maree Wauchope, Nadine Knibbs, Phillipa Woolford, Liz Brown and Teressa Balmer. I only have one Nadine within the K/NIBB/S database and she's in Minneapolis, America. So can anyone place this Nadine sportswoman? Ritchie mentioned that Ancestry.com has Historical Newspapers, 1786-2002 representing an assortment of U.S. newspapers. The surname KNIBBS alone produced 304 references in various newspapers. Anytime a paid up member wishes to trawl through a few, we'd love to receive anything genealogical. Indeed 'The Times' archive revealed a number of useful items which I've added to the database for future reference. Probably more to find if it's still up and running. Thanx go to Don for telling us about the free access. This happened while we were all in Barcelona - what a wonderful city it is. Highly recommended. Robin has updated to AOL v9. Has anyone else tried it? I ditched v8 as like others I found it so so slow but as my Personal Filing Cabinet on v7 is now full, it would be a good time to switch if the speed problems have been sorted out - I hate deleting correspondence and haven't found a way of preserving elsewhere on my computer, other than by upgading versions of AOL and keeping the old ones in reserve. Finally, going back in time once again, I've received the copy articles from Alan CLARKE's Northamptonshire archives which I think Bob KNIBBS drew to our attention. They are : KNIBBS JOSEPH NORTHAMPTON NORTHAMPTONSHIRE LENT ASSIZES KNIBBS RICHARD WARKWORTH NORTHAMPTON COUNTY SESSIONS The first turns out to be Rose-Marie's Joseph KNIBB. He and a partner were swindled on a Bill of Exchange, so no bad issues there. I haven't 'placed' Richard but he only named as acting criminally within a group of others. So as yet nobody can claim that they are not 'tarred with his brush' with the law! bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc

If you can't make the Skatalites Belfast concert tomorrow, how about this match? Marconi aim to finish on high Coventry Marconi boss Paul Mills is urging his men to "pick themselves up and dust themselves down" for tomorrow's Midland Combination Willie Knibbs Challenge Cup showdown at Studley. Marconi take on newlycrowned Premier Division champions Romulus four days after their 4-1 Evening Telegraph Challenge Cup thumping at the hands of Bedworth Ex-Service at Highfield Road. bfn Alan

First see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/page3d2.htm#Ska Just a day after the Obituaries for Clement 'Sir Coxsone' Dodd, the Jamaican record producer who at Studio One launched amongst others the career of Bob Marley, the following appears in today's Belfast Telegraph. Live music: The real rocksteady crew The godfathers of ska are bringing their funky rhythms all the way from Jamaica to the Cathedral Quarter Arts Festival. Edwin McFee looks at the long - and sometimes troubled - career of the Skatalites By Edwin McFee Formed in the spring of 1964, the Skatalites are widely considered the first ever ska band. For many, they didn't merely define the sound of Jamaica, they were the sound of Jamaica. The Skatalites were playing rocksteady rhythms to thousands of people way before Madness and the Specials bought their first pork-pie hats. Without the Skatalites, there'd be no Bad Manners and no Selecter, and newer ska-influenced bands like Rancid and Voodoo Glow Skulls would sound totally different. With an initial line-up of Tommy McCook (tenor sax), Rolando Alphonso (tenor sax), Lester Sterling (alto sax), Johnnie Moore (trumpet), Don Drummond (trombone), Jackie Mittoo (piano), Jerry Hines (guitar), Lloyd Brevett (bass) and Lloyd Knibb (drums), the Skatalites brought ska to the masses. It was trombone player Don Drummond to whom the Skatalites looked for guidance and Drummond was one of the most prolific songwriters of the day, notching up at least 200 songs by 1965. Tragically, Drummond suffered a breakdown and murdered his girlfriend, Anita Mahfood, in 1965. He was convicted and sent to Bellevue Asylum, where he died a few years later, aged 37. In an ironic footnote, Drummond scored a Top 10 hit in the UK for his reworking of The Guns Of Navarone while he was in the asylum and never got to enjoy his success. In the mid-60s, the remaining Skatalites decided to go their separate ways and out of the ashes formed two super-groups - Rolando Alphonso and the Soul Vendors, and Tommy McCook and the Supersonics. However, the band later re-formed in 1983. They released the highly influential record Return Of The Big Guns the following year and took to the road, bringing rocksteady to the unsuspecting public. In the early 90s they underwent their first tour of Europe with both old and new members in tow. Skatalites founders Tommy McCook, Rolando Alphonso and Jackie Mittoo all passed away during the decade, but the rest of the band ensured that their legacy would live on in their music and continued to record and tour. Proving that you're never too old for rock and roll, the band scored their first Grammy nomination for Greetings From Skamania and played the legendary Glastonbury festival. The US also embraced the band, with Rolling Stone proclaiming them as "Jamaica's answer to the Motown house band and Booker T and the MGs combined." The Skatalites play the CQAF marquee in Writers' Square, Belfast, on May 8. Tickets & 9024 6609.

That is what I thought it meant, but I wanted to be sure. "Bad Blood" in our Indian culture means that someone has put a curse on the person either because they have done somebody wrong in a real bad way or they became evil because of their upbringing. We believe it is not hereditary - for the simple reason that God makes angels at birth. One other interesting point I would like to make is the sayings the old (they are called "elders") people would make, and that is while someone is pregnant with child, they are not supposed to make fun of other people or mimic them because their child may become like that person. Some people take this as a myth. In Canadian Law, when someone is arrested and jailed for a "misdemeanor charge" it means any offense less serious than a felony and this would hardly be cause for "bad blood". I say this because I know people that have been jailed for a short period of time when they couldn't pay their fines and they are good people. I hope this is clear so that it is not taken the wrong way. It would be interesting to know what other people's views are. Thanks, Beverly -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 5:43 PM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 "Bad Blood" means: One who is always in trouble with the law! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Knibb" <bknibb@metis-settlements.org> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > I am curious to know what does "bad blood" mean? > > Beverly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: April 30, 2004 5:16 PM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Alan > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know where > the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > Thanks! > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > David > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the Thomas > > KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > transportation of > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained > that but > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the third > > child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the George who > married > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: > > Blue > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a misdemeanour > out > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' to > the > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the ship > > Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on 21 > > > March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. Their > > > parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of the three > > > children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my previous > > > message? > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I just picked up from the Oxford list that the Times data is still available. I tried it and got in no problem. ... Don > Hello Everyone > > For anyone still interested in The Times (London) free-online-trial, it is > still available - I am currently logged into the site and busy downloading. > > The steps I have used each time (with never a problem) are: > > 1. http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/history.htm > > 2. Scroll down the page until you get to: > Times Digital Archive > (this is currently the fourth link on the page) > > 3. Click on the link "Times Digital Archive" > > 4. You should now be on the page "Times Online - Keyword Search".

"Bad Blood" means: One who is always in trouble with the law! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Knibb" <bknibb@metis-settlements.org> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > I am curious to know what does "bad blood" mean? > > Beverly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: April 30, 2004 5:16 PM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Alan > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know where > the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > Thanks! > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > David > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the Thomas > > KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > transportation of > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained > that but > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the third > > child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the George who > married > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: > > Blue > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a misdemeanour > out > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' to > the > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the ship > > Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on 21 > > > March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. Their > > > parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of the three > > > children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my previous > > > message? > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I am curious to know what does "bad blood" mean? Beverly -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: April 30, 2004 5:16 PM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 Alan OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... Thanks! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > David > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the Thomas > KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the transportation of > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained that but > now I think it must be wrong. > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the third > child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the George who married > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: > Blue > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a misdemeanour out > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' to the > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the ship > Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on 21 > > March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. Their > > parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of the three > > children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my previous > > message? > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Laura, As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone who came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are connected to George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand from Alan's message how they connect to the Thomas who came to Tasmania. I am not a descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs from Buckinghamshire who also came to Tasmania as a convict. However as I still live in Tasmania I am happy to look up things for others as I get time. Regards, David Boon -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 Alan OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... Thanks! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > David > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the transportation of > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained that but > now I think it must be wrong. > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the > third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the > George who married > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown > Eyes: Blue > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > misdemeanour out > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' > to the > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the > ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on > > 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. > > Their parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of > > the three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my > > previous message? > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Alan and Laura, When I get to the archives here in Tasmania in the next couple of weeks. I will do some more checking in terms of Thomas Knibbs and a move from Tasmania to N.S.W. assuming that they are one and the same. I am also more than happy to get copies of his convict records to forward. I will also see if I can find out ore about his role as constable. I thought I should point out that becoming a constable in Tasmania at that time was not difficult. They were despised by the convicts and lower classes and as most were former convicts they were not held in high esteem by the middle and upper classes either. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 30 April 2004 9:28 PM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 David Small world. Listen out Laura! Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the transportation of seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained that but now I think it must be wrong. The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the George who married Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: Blue He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a misdemeanour out there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' to the position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. bfn Alan > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on 21 > March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. Their > parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of the > three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my > previous message? > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear Dave, George and Hannah are my husband's Great Great Great Grandparents Eugene is my husband's Great great Grandfather; Eugene was married to Amelia Huff Knibbs. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura, > > As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you > have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone who > came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are connected to > George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand from Alan's > message how they connect to the Thomas who came to Tasmania. I am not a > descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs from Buckinghamshire who > also came to Tasmania as a convict. However as I still live in Tasmania > I am happy to look up things for others as I get time. > > Regards, > David Boon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Alan > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know > where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > Thanks! > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > David > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > transportation of > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained > that but > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the > > third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the > > George who > married > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown > > Eyes: Blue > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > > misdemeanour > out > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' > > > to > the > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the > > ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on > > > 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. > > > Their parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of > > > > the three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my > > > > previous message? > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Dave Thank you, I would like a copy; Thomas Knibbs is my husband's Great Great Great Grandfather George Knibbs' brother. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Alan and Laura, > > When I get to the archives here in Tasmania in the next couple of weeks. > I will do some more checking in terms of Thomas Knibbs and a move from > Tasmania to N.S.W. assuming that they are one and the same. I am also > more than happy to get copies of his convict records to forward. > > I will also see if I can find out ore about his role as constable. I > thought I should point out that becoming a constable in Tasmania at that > time was not difficult. They were despised by the convicts and lower > classes and as most were former convicts they were not held in high > esteem by the middle and upper classes either. > > Cheers, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, 30 April 2004 9:28 PM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > David > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the Thomas > KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > transportation of > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I obtained > that but > now I think it must be wrong. > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the > third > child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the George who > married > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown > Eyes: > Blue > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > misdemeanour out > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was 'promoted' > to the > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions the > ship > Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire on 21 > > > March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept 1825. Their > > parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might be two of the > > three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in my > > previous message? > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Alan - is this anything to do with my tree? Chris Atkins (nee Nibbs) > Message date : Apr 30 2004, 12:04 AM > From : Jackari2@aol.com > To : KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Copy to : > Subject : [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Stuart found an entry in 'The Times' archive relating to the sentencing at > the Old Bailey of a Thomas NIBBS in September 1829. He was to be transported > for 14 years. > > I do have a record of a Thoams KNIBBS bc1798, ploughman from Oxfordshire, who > was transported for seven years having been sentenced on 29 July 1824 and who > died at Paramatta NSW in 1856. > > Can anyone shed light on the 1829 convicted Thomas, who he was and where he > ended his days? Presumably as it was the Old Bailey he came from the London > area. > > bfn > > Alan > > Alan Jackson > Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List > Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc > > Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ > Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Alan: I was browsing the following web site and found the above individual. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~janjones/ObitsHome.htm This web site deals with obituaries in newspapers. Joseph Henry Knibb (90) North York, Ontario: Toronto Star Newspaper 2004-01-28 bfn Joyce